‘Dawn Treader’ Week 3 Box Office Report

Posted December 29, 2010 6:41 pm by fantasia_kitty

The Voyage of the Dawn Treader came in fourth over the Christmas weekend box office. Little Fockers opened at $30.8 million followed by True Grit at $24.9 million and Tron Legacy which made $19.2 million in its second weekend.

Dawn Treader grossed another $9.5 million in its third weekend bringing its domestic total to $62.6 million. Dawn Treader also continues to do fairly well overseas where it pulled in over $40 million throughout last week, bringing its international total to $165 million, and its worldwide total to $231 million.

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  • ChristProclamer says:

    Is that good or bad? It sounds good, and I’m glad it’s making a lot of money overseas, but I’m not sure how it’s doing overall.

    And most importantly, how does this look for the future of the series?

    • Duffleglum says:

      OK, to give you a rough idea of what ‘good’ is for VDT, take the budget of the movie, add $120 million.
      If the earnings get close to this, it is very possible for a sequel to be greenlit.
      (as it is now, I think we’ll get there)

      PC got $120 million gain overall, and was considered passable.
      That’s the best guesstimate I can give.

      • Anhun says:

        PC wasn’t passable. It was a flop. However, VDT, with it’s dramatically smaller budget, *would* be considered passable if it got PC’s intake, or close.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        PC making 450 million is not a "flop". The public responded, the problem was Andrew Adamson was out of control wasting money. If he had been more judicious with his spending on PC, instead of spending millions building a castle and diverting the river and flying crews all over high heaven, we’d still be with disney and on schedule, with superior marketing and Harry gregson williams doing the music.

      • Anhun says:

        Ugh, don’t even get me started on the music. Not to bash David Arnold, his music was good, but it didn’t fit with the characters and story the way HGW’s always does, and it wasn’t "Narnian." Getting rid of Gregson-Williams robbed the movie of an emotional dimension. It’s almost as bad as if they got rid of Reep.

      • Not Of This World says:

        That’s funny!

      • Little Miss Artemis says:

        How could you say that, Shelly Belly?? Andrew didn’t waste any money at all. He did what was right. If he didn’t divert the river, how were they supposed to film without dirtying the water? He made a magnificent castle. What would you like, a castle made out of cardboard? And for your information, transporting the cosmetics and props by helicopter is the easiest and cheapest way. He did the same for LWW, and i don’t see you complaining.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        little miss- watch the 4 dvd LWW extras where they talk about blowing so much money on stupid stuff, all i could think about was all the starving people in the world

      • Not Of This World says:

        Whoops! that one comment was a reply to something else!

    • Duffleglum says:

      Oh yeah, and if a sequel is made, the future of the series is still alive, but it greatly varies depending upon each movie’s grossings.

      • Holly of the Lone Islands says:

        Oh, what happened to the good old days when people made movies for the joy of making it? Not that I don’t want Fox and Walden to earn any money of course, but even if VDT doesn’t make it, I hope they continue the franchise for the sake of Narnia and its fans. (Though that would be rather unlikely)

      • comedian says:

        dun worry you guys, i did the calculations, and if VDT continues at a "steady pace" (in other words, no increase or decrease) it’ll make at least 363 million. But the question is, is 363 million enough?

      • Anhun says:

        The odds of a "steady pace" are between nil and none.

      • Anhun says:

        @Holly: What good old days? Are you talking about Thomas Edison sneezing and decapitating his wife?

      • comedian says:

        Anhun, you’re even more depressing than a tribe of marshwiggles. Its like you’re trying to rid us of every shred of optimism and hope of VDT reaching PC’s amount.

      • Holly of the Lone Islands says:

        Though comedian is an idiot, I must agree with him on this one. We’re all trying our best to think well of VDT, and you depressing folks run along and dampen our spirits.

      • comedian says:

        Hey!! I’m not an idiot.

      • Holly of the Lone Islands says:

        Yes you are.

      • jill says:

        Hey, I don’t know who any of you guys are but narniaweb is a fansight for a series of great books and movies, not a playground for cyber bullying, no matter how small. If a websight like this one can’t stay polite, what can?

      • Anhun says:

        How dare you? Marshwiggles rock! You need to stop dissing the wiggles. πŸ™

      • comedian says:

        alright, alright, i take back what i said. i love marshwiggles too. i was only joking, and holly is my friend.

      • Anhun says:

        And I’m not trying to be negative, just logical (I like Vulcans too).

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        Ive wondered if God wanted it out of the hands of Disney-maybe ther’s a purpose in how things are develolping-

    • Tribunal says:

      Honestly, it’s bad. It would have to gross an extra $200 million to turn a profit for Fox and Walden considering they spent $250 million to make and market the film. And since movie theaters get 30% of the film’s gross..yeah…

      • Rob W. Case says:

        The Budget for this film was $155 million, not $250 million. Worldwide these numbers are good considering the fact that this film has a much lower production budget than the last film, the economy is very bad, and that there is an aggressive fan base energetic enough to keep the momentum going to make another film. If you compared these numbers to Tron Legacy, Disney is losing its shirt. Sure, Tron Legacy is doing well in America, but bad in Europe. At the current moment, Tron hasn’t even made its production budget (of $170 million), and that’s if you use the worldwide numbers. Dawn Treader is one week older and (as things stand now), has made almost 80 million over its production budget. And it’s not over yet.

      • Tribunal says:

        Umm… if you took the time to read my post you’d know I said $250 million was spent to make AND market the film. You can spin the numbers all you want but VDT is doing poorly. Fox and Walden get only a portion of the $231 million it’s grossed. Why would they continue producing a franchise that is LOSING them money.

        And Tron hasn’t opened in half of the countries as Narnia so your argument is useless.

      • Pevensie15 says:

        Tribunal,

        A little optimism couldn’t hurt.

        If this Narnia reaches $400 mill, accounting for the 60/40 split, VDT will be in the clear.

        Also, how do you know Fox spent 100 mil on advertising? I was under the impression they spent $50 mil, which would bring the amount Narnia would have to pull in to $350 mil.

        As Tron goes, it’s doing terrible in the countries it has opened in, in comparison to Narnia.

        VDT just needs $150 million more.

        Think about that…

        All it needs is $50 domestic (a reachable number) and $100 foreign (also reachable).

        If the "rubbernecking curiosity crowd" options Narnia over current, and some deplorable, alternatives, we have a chance!

      • Tribunal says:

        And perhaps a little reality wouldn’t hurt you.

        That $100 million for the marketing has been widely reported. Don’t know where you got that $50 million, pulled it out of thin air?

        And what countries has Tron performed so "terrible" in? The comparison between both films makes no sense. Narnia is currently playing in 64 markets, compare that to Tron’s 27 markets. Not to mention it has been out for a longer period of time.

      • Pevensie15 says:

        I read $50 million from an article of which I can’t recollect its origins.

        But like I said, all it needs is $400 million.
        I think it can do it too.

        As for Tron, it is a simple procedure to compare it’s chart to VDT’s. VDT seems to be doing 50% better in every market.

        I think that if VDT beats Prince of Persia, there is hope for the Silver Chair.

        Moreover, Fox says it has "resurrected" the franchise. They will probably stick with it. A franchise that has earned near to 1,500,000,000 isn’t at all a flop. And I’m sure if they stick with the movies they’ll make it near to or past 3 billion. Not bad, I would think.

        Like I said in another comment, Walden is making another Journey movie–and Narnia is going to pass up Journey’s gross by a lot.

        And if Narnia’s budget must be lowered, so be it. The Star Wars movies had comparably low budgets, yet still maintained tremendous quality.

        Even moreover, Fox’s Christian appeal is picking up word of mouth (as it is, there are 200 million professing Christian’s in the USA). And a supposed 2-3 billion worldwide. The Christian audience is being pandered to, and I think it is working. I can see it working amongst my own church.

        There is also a recent pickup in the film that Fox and Walden were counting on–I think they know what they are doing. At the same time, I don’t think either of them were expecting the movie to beat PC.

        But I think it will.

      • comedian says:

        I can bet my right nut that VDT will make more than 363 million as the worldwide total.

      • Not Of This World says:

        Tribunal, I think the money is in the budget. Why would they spend money they don’t have? And an extra 95 million they don’t have? That would be very risky. I just don’t think they would that. How did you get those numbers?

      • Anhun says:

        @Not of this World: I’ve never heard of companies including marketing costs in the production budget.

      • astral says:

        Tribunal is totally right – I admire everyone for their optimism but the reality is the numbers are terrible and if you were an investor, why would you put your money into a franchise thats clearly on the downward spiral? At least if there was good buzz about it, I’d understand, but this film just came and went.

      • Jill Pole says:

        Ok, Tribunal all I have to say is

        1. according to boxofficemojo.com the most ACCURATE movie gross projectile, it has VODT’s budget at $155 million.

        2. Are you cracking nuts man? VODT is doing amazing for how long it has been out.

        3. VODT is actually GAINING money for Fox and Walden.

        If you disagree, i’m sorry, but these are REALISTIC numbers πŸ™‚ Have a great and amazing day.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        Astral- they are fighting to continue the series because of the christian element, as there are christians involved in producing it, also they are huge personal fans of CS Lewis and the narnia books series. . so they are willing to do what it takes to get the movies made, as they consider them a evangelistic tool. so even if they don’t make a huge profit, they are willing to go ahead as a spiritual devotional tool . the same can’t be said for meaningless drivel like TRON.

      • Tribunal says:

        Umm.. Ok Jill Pole.

        If you knew what you were talking about you’d know that the budget is the money used to MAKE the film and does not include the marketing. Look at the Prince Caspian page, the budget says $225 million, which again, does not include the marketing money. By your logic VDT was made for $55 million.

        And no. It’s not "gaining" them money. What people don’t understand is that Fox and Walden DO NOT receive 100% of their films grosses. Which is why films have to gross double and even triple the amount of money spent on them.

      • Tribunal says:

        @Not of this World.

        Why wouldn’t they spend those $100 million? Movies don’t sell themselves. Again, by your logic you’re saying VDT was made for $55 million.

      • Not Of This World says:

        What I was saying was that it would be unwise to spend that money they don’t have and is not budgeted. I don’t care how much they spend. If they make the money back, lets spend 200 million! It just be not very wise to spend 100 million they don’t have.

      • lilliandilhater says:

        tribunal, your other comments suggest that you strongly believe that VDT won’t do well. Is it because you just dislike the movie or the idea of the silver chair? No offence meant, but the tone of your comments imply that you might not like to see the continuity of the franchise.

      • Not Of This World says:

        And i’ve heard of movies having addvertizing in the budget.

      • itsanonnegotiable says:

        "Fox and Walden spent around $100 million to promote the film around the world, in its $155m budget<48>." as according to SEVERAL sources. (48 refers to the L.A. Times)

      • Tribunal says:

        @lilli

        As a huge fan of the first two films I was incredibly disappointed in the way they handled Voyage of the Dawn Treader. I feel weird saying it, but I actually hated the film. It had moments of brilliance but overall was a really mediocre film.

        And my comments aren’t based on if I hate the film or don’t want the franchise to continue. Just trying to be real here based on the numbers and not try to spin them. The film is doing poorly and at the end of the day I can’t see Fox being happy with its numbers.

      • Anhun says:

        Someone needs to come up with a marketing budget figure from a credible source. Inquiring minds want to know. Not to mention, this side-bar argument is rapidly devolving into "Is Not! Is To!"

        On the one hand, we have Pevensie citing a forgotten, mysterious (mythical?) source as saying that the marketing budget was 50 mil.

        On the other hand we have Tribunal saying that the 100 mil figure is widely reported, but won’t say who is reporting it . . . more mystery. [Anhun raises her eyebrows in suspicion]

        And we have itsanonnegotiable citing an article in the L.A. Times, that, in fact, says nothing about the marketing budget.

        What clues will the Narniawebbers uncover in [dun dun dun . . . ] The Case of the Burgeoning Budget!

      • Tribunal says:

        Here’s an article on the $100 million spent on marketing.

        http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/la-ct-narnia-20101203,0,3841280.story

        And here’s one of many articles that state the PRODUCTION NOT marketing budget at $155 million.

        http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/2010/12/12/weekend_box_office_narnia_sequel_voyage_of_dawn_treader_jolie_depps_tourist/#

        I’m tired of arguing this.

      • Holly of the Lone Islands says:

        Tribunal is right, the money VDT is making isn’t much, and if it continues this way, it won’t even reach 400 million. But either way, i do hope they make silver chair. Will Poulter is AWESOME.

      • comedian says:

        Holly, i’m gonna bet you 250 bucks that VDT will make at least 400 mill. Deal?

      • Holly of the Lone Islands says:

        Easy cash, comedian. Prepare to lose that 250 bucks.

      • comedian says:

        We’ll see, Holly, we’ll see.

      • Tribunal says:

        @comedian

        It certainly has a shot at the $400 million mark but when a film costs so much that should really only be the start.

      • KT says:

        Y’all, in life we are going to disagree, and whether we like it or not, we have to accept all viewpoints on the movie. Tribunal does have a good point that VODT is spending money that it probably shouldn’t have, and that even with the $ spent, it was still a poor marketing job. (in my humble opinion) But we also cannot lose hope on the movie so fast, as Reep said "we have nothing if not belief." So y’all even though we are going to differ on this topic, we have to understand that everyone has a right to their own opinion.

      • Anhun says:

        @KT: The marketing costs for VDT are not a matter of opinion. They have spent a specific sum of money promoting it. I don’t see how some hard data would hurt in this conversation, but, so far, nobody’s produced any. If people want to speculate, sure, that’s fine. But they need to admit to it, rather than quoting speculative figures as if they are fact.

        I’m not the first one to say this. Earlier on, Tribunal actually took Pevensie to task for not having a source. Now I’ve asked Tribunal to produce a source, and, so far at least, s/he hasn’t found one. Now, I’m not calling anyone a liar. I believe that Tribunal did read that figure somewhere, probably multiple places, but since I don’t know where, I have no reason to trust the reliability of that information. On the information superhighway, misinformation can spread just as fast.

      • Tribunal says:

        I posted two sources a few hours ago(the post is located right under Anhun’s post where he asks to provide a source) but it currently says "Your comment is awaiting moderation." When I logout of my account my post disappears all together.

        Is it currently showing up now? Or is it hidden? I don’t see any reason as to why it would be moderated, all I did was post two sources which mentions the production NOT marketing budget at $155 million and the $100 million spent on marketing.

      • Not Of This World says:

        Has everyone lost faith in Narnia? A lot of people are acting like this movie was it! We all must have faith that they will try their hardest to make more. I will be shocked if all seven aren’t made. Let’s try and make sure that happens! Let’s try to go to the movies another time! Let’s bring our friends, bring our friend’s friends, and let’s bring our enimies, because Jessus wants us to love our enimies!

      • Anhun says:

        @Tribunal: Your post isn’t showing up, sorry. Maybe the mods think we can’t handle the truth, lol.

      • Anhun says:

        Well, it appears that Tribunal is like Tinkerbell. The second you stop believing them implicitly, they go poof.

      • Tribunal says:

        I didn’t go anywhere, just been busy celebrating the new year with my family. And honestly what’s there to discuss. We’ve pretty much argued this to death, I think we pick up this conversation after this weekend’s results. No?

      • Not Of This World says:

        I will say what is marked on the tombstone of this dead conversation:

        Here lies a conversation on NarniaWeb.
        It was a battle of the marketing money of the Voyage of the Dawn Treader.
        It was a battle of "Is Not’s! and "Is Too’s!".

        Dec 29th, 8:49 pm, 2010 –
        Jan 1st,9:16 pm, 2011

      • Anhun says:

        LOL, Not of this world. πŸ˜€

        @Tribunal: No, the point under discussion is whether or not you actually know what your talking about. You haven’t conceded my point, but, at the same time, you haven’t proven me wrong. Saying "I posted it, but it got deleted." doesn’t cut it, because I can’t gauge the credibility of your source. For example, itsanonnegotiable gave us a source, however, on closer inspection, it became clear that the source didn’t hold any water.

        I’ve never had problems with posts getting deleted. Try posting the info in a different format.

      • Anhun says:

        Thank you!

    • Reepicheep The Mouse says:

      That definitely sounds good to me,because another person on Narniaweb said that they would need at least much money to make the next movie. (though I’m not sure how he knew that)

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        reep, why is your name in red? R U the REAL reepicheep?

      • Anhun says:

        [Anhun sighs in exasperation] Honestly Shelly! You’re not going to find the real Reepicheep hanging out on a Narnia website. He’s off in Aslan’s country! What fantasy land are YOU living in? πŸ˜›

        To answer your question though, people with red names have their own websites. If you click on the name, you go to the website.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        haha, i should have known the real reep wouldn’t be trolling the internet. except of course now he can use the mouse sized itouch.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        haha, i should have known the real reep wouldn’t be trolling the internet. except of course now he can use the mouse sized itouch. (does the dawn treader have wireless?)

    • Violamom says:

      I need someone to explain what the difference is between "international" and "worldwide"…in my mind, those are synonyms. I’d be grateful for the enlightenment. (Oh, and I’ve seen it 3 times in the past two weeks, including once in 3-D.) πŸ™‚ <><

      • LittleLioness says:

        I think for the sake of box office numbers, "international" is the term used opposite of "domestic," and "worldwide" is the total that includes both international and domestic totals combined.

    • Crass says:

      I think it will all depend on foreign and DVD sales & pay per view. Mainly because that will be the cheapest part of the distribution process. The movie itself couldn’t have cost much..no famous actors 1st half looks like it was shot on video, 75% of the film sets were generated in a computer. They most likely spent more on marketing. And that 155 million dollar tag is BS..thats part of the Marketing to give the film perceived value. Silver Chair will most likely get made either for cinemas or direct to video.

    • Crass says:

      Also, whatever the movie grosses worldwide cut that in half and that’s what Fox & Walden will make on the movie and divide that amongst themselves. In the 70’s box office was just what the rentals were for the studio. But looking at the movie which I thought was great..it couldn’t possibly have cost anything over 30 million unless the above the line people got massive checks which is doubtful.

    • Moose4188 says:

      Voyage is doing quite poorly all things considered. It is having good holds but it started to slow for this to be significant. LWW made over 750 at the worldwide boxoffice, Caspian, which was a disappointment made about 450 worldwide. Voyage has a budget that is only slightly lower. in order to break even the movie must make a minimum of 350 million worldwide (and this is before marketing costs are taken into effect). Fox will most likely want a minimum of 400 million before it greenlights another project. That way DVD sales can make the movie profitable. http://boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=narniavs.htm this link has the boxoffice comparisons to look at.

      • Lewis Tolkien says:

        I don’t really think that it’s doing that poorly at this point. It will probably make somewhere between $360 and $425 million worldwide when all is said and done. If, let’s say, it makes $400 m, that’s only $19 million less than Prince Caspian’s box office take of $419 million worldwide. That’s pretty comparable. Since sequels usually do not make more money than their predecessors, I don’t really see how Walden and Fox could have reasonably hoped for Dawn Treader to make much more than it will end up making. In the U.S. it looks like it will have around a 4.5x multiplier from its opening weekend. That is absolutely excellent, and shows the film has great staying power (it also proves that the Christmas holidays are the time to release these Narnia films).

        I think we should all also keep in mind that Hollywood studios typically only make around 20% of their profits from their movies’ box office receipts. TV licensing is actually the biggest net profit maker for the studios. Even DVD/BluRay sales typically take in a significantly bigger net profit than the box office does. (Read Edward Jay Epstein’s articles on licensing and DVD profits for more on this.) And this is not even to mention all the tax breaks that they got from the government of Australia (so in reality the budget wouldn’t really have cost them the quoted $155 million even).

        So long as Dawn Treader gets close to PC’s numbers at the box office (which it looks like it will), I don’t see why Fox wouldn’t continue with the series. After all, they will make a sizable profit in TV licensing and DVD/BR sales regardless, so as long as the series doesn’t appear to be dropping off drastically, why not continue with it?

        Let’s not let anyone who hates this film influence us to be unduly pessimistic. It’s still too early to know for sure what they’ll do, but I think that it’s looking more likely than not that they’ll continue with the series. Unless Dawn Treader simply tanks overnight and all of its great holds disappear (which is very unlikely), I don’t see how it would not be financially viable for the studios involved to do The Silver Chair.

  • Cynical Narnia Fanboy says:

    i believe that’s a better overseas total than PC…

    • tenthofthatname says:

      Prince Caspian made a total of $278,029,923 overseas.

    • Tribunal says:

      Well you believe wrong. It would have to earn over $115 million to pass Prince Caspian’s overseas total.

      • Lewis Tolkien says:

        Box Office Mojo is showing Dawn Treader’s foreign total at $186 million as of Wed. Prince Caspian made $278 m total at the foreign box office. This is, of course, a difference of $92 million, but naturally VDT still has a lot of wind in its sails, while PC’s number will remain static. Dawn Treader is on track for a very good upcoming holiday weekend, so really by Monday it should be *substanially* over $200 million foreign. It looks to me like it will likely pass Caspian’s foreign box office by late January. Of course, when Dawn Treader opens in Japan in Feb. it will go higher than this. I would be surprised at this point, if it doesn’t make around $300 million at the foreign box office when all is said and done.

        Dawn Treader’s holds have certainly been a lot better than PC’s. This is a good sign that the holidays have really helped the film and that the movie most likely has better word-of-mouth than PC. This may even be an indication that more people are seeing this one twice than they did Caspian. Whatever VDT’s theatrical run shows, it proves that all future Narnia films really must be released over the Christmas holidays so that they have time to spread by word-of-mouth and to build up a substantial gross in the end.

    • Cynical Narnia Fanboy says:

      ok…ok…
      I meant that so far, I thouhgt it had succeeded better overseas in three weeks than PC did in those same three weeks…

      *sheesh*

      • Pepper Darcy says:

        *shrugs shoulders* I thought it was doing really well over seas too. I don’t know what to think. People say this, others say that. We’ll have to wait and see what Fox thinks, after all it’s their money, they know if it’s a profit or not πŸ™‚

        Though I do think, like you, that this is pretty good news for wanting a fourth Narnia

      • Anhun says:

        Yeah, box office mojo (a credible, largely unbiased source) actually ran an article entitled "Dawn Treader Makes Waves Overseas."

        Basically, VDT’s overseas performance is quite respectable, you can’t logically argue otherwise. The points that people are debating are as follows:

        1. So it doing fine, but it’s not yet baffo. Will it ever catch up to PC, for example?

        2. Even if it does rake in a ton of ticket sales overseas, is that enough to counterbalance it’s poor domestic performance?

  • Swordebrithil12 says:

    Less than Prince Caspian, but not by much. It’s not as bad as I feared at least. I don’t have time, but I really advise others to go rewatch the movie. This cannot, WILL NOT be the end of the Narnia films. Not if I can help it.

    • Duffleglum says:

      You bet, watching it again isn’t a huge drain on one’s budget, and it tells Hollywood that it CAN be profitable to produce a Christian-oriented movie.

      DEFINITELY a good way to spend your money

    • Anhun says:

      Not by much? 165 million is a lot less than 278 million. 231 is a lot less than 420. What numbers are you comparing?

    • Cynical Narnia Fanboy says:

      "This cannot, WILL NOT be the end of the Narnia films. Not if I can help it."

      Amen!!

      • Clodsley Mole says:

        Double Amen!!

      • Mayor Wilkins says:

        Triple Amen!
        See it again and again if you can. πŸ˜‰

        Boy, numbers sure bother me.
        It’s not that I don’t understand them, but I NEVER consider money when it comes to my personal judgement as to whether a film is good or bad. "Dawn Treader" is, in my eyes anyway, an instant classic. The great tragedy of it is that "Dawn Treader" is so much better than "Prince Caspian." It’s almost as good as "LWW," and yet, it makes less money than "Caspian" did. That is tragic.

      • Edmund's Queen says:

        4 x amen! Bring on the Silver Chair! We need more Narnia!

      • Holly of the Lone Islands says:

        5 x amen!! If they don’t make the silver chair, i’m gonna send daily hate mail to walden media.

      • NarniaFan19 says:

        I definitely agree with all of you. I usually judge movies I see on whether I enjoy them or not. I don’t usually look at the critics or the money raised. It’s based for me on how much I enjoy it. and Clearly I have enjoyed this movie because I have seen it 3 times and will see it again tomorrow if not more.

      • NarniaFan19 says:

        And Dawn Treader is sooooo much better than PC. I have to agree and it is disappointing that it has made less money…

      • Anhun says:

        I’ve been grinning like an idiot ever since I went to see it. πŸ˜€
        I think one part of the problem is that, after PC, people don’t trust the franchise to come out with something good.

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        And hey, movie critics aren’t always spot on! Most of them know NOTHING about the books they are basing their review on, and thus write a dreadful review with no insight whatsoever. I read a review in the paper this morning that only gave VDT 2 1/2 stars. Thing is, the critic made no mention of Eustace or Caspian, said that Edmund and Lucy were not as loved and lesser than Peter and Susan (something I’m sure many people here would disagree with) and to top it all off called Edmund ‘Edward’. THERE ARE NO VAMPIRES IN NARNIA!!!
        So yes, we should let everyone know that a lot of the critics, while they are good at analysing films, know nothing about the books! I’m going to see it again (3rd time) with my brother and whatever friends I can get together on Tuesday. Let’s keep Aslan’s story alive!!!

      • Mayor Wilkins says:

        Edmund and Lucy not as loved as Peter and Susan????????? Ha ha ha ha ha ha and ha!!!
        My goodness. First of all, Lucy is arguably the main Pevensie character in the whole thing. She DISCOVERED Narnia. She found the wardrobe. More beloved than Susan? I doubt it.

        And Edmund? Personally, Edmund’s my favorite. I like Will as Peter, but Skandar did such a fine job in the character of Edmund that he has long been my favorite since I saw "LWW." By the by, I know plenty of females out there who like Skandar for other reasons, eh? LOL! I think this critic is a bit confused. πŸ˜› Personally, and I’m not looking to start a fight or anything, but I found the absence of Peter and Susan refreshing and welcomed. It gave Ed and Lucy more time to develop.

        And Edward…….that’s just pathetic. Do your research before you write the article.
        How many times did The White Witch say "EdMUND!!" ???? I mean, that just shows he/she was not invested in the movie at all. Not even enough to learn their names.

        Not mentioning Eustace is pretty sad too. Will Poulter did a really nice job.

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        Yeah, the review was so bad, I would have laughed at it. That is, if it wasn’t written by a highly respected film critic in a newspaper hundreds of thousands of people read! Taking that fact into acount, I was very indignant and angry.
        But yeah, I agree with you, Mayor, I was happy to have a bit of a break from Pete and Su in this movie. It isn’t that I don’t like them, it’s just that I like Ed and Lu more. It was nice to see them have a bit more attention. And obviously, this critic has never met one of Skandar’s fangirls (not to mention the million or so around the globe… if I were him, I’d be slightly scared). And Lucy? She’s pretty much everyone’s favourite! She’s my personal favourite Pevensie. Who doesn’t like Lucy? And Eustace was absolutely brilliant, and didn’t even get a mention! What is this?
        So yeah. Very annoyed and angry. I suppose everything’s up to us now. But hey, we’re the real Narnia fans, right? If you can’t trust a Narnia fan’s review of a narnia film, who can you trust? It’s up to us to spread the good word, people!

      • Anhun says:

        @Ionic: If we can use internet shrines as a barometer, I would say Georgie is the most popular, then Anna and Will M, then Skandar trailing at a distance.

      • Anhun says:

        Okay, i just double checked and, although Anna has tons of fan sites, only one of them is properly maintained, so that puts her down on the same level as Skandar.

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        Whoa, my bad, Anhun! I suppose I should have done a bit of research before I made an assumption like that. I just assumed that the number of fans on this site would reflect the world’s overall total. Now I see that wasn’t the most logical conclusion I could have come to.
        Not that fan sites are everything, but they’re probably a good indicator. Thanks for pointing that out!

      • Anhun says:

        @Ionic: No, I wasn’t getting on your case, just putting my two cents in. You’re fine. Also, I need to double-correct myself. Skandar has his own official site, but no fan sites. This, if you buy into my fan-ometer theory, suggests that his popularity is even lower than Will Poulter’s, who has one fansite, even if it isn’t very thorough.

        So my corrected popularity index for the Narnia kids is as follows:

        Georgie – very popular, setting out on a fashion career?

        William Moseley – not nearly as popular as Georgie, but he was always the prettiest of the Pevensies, so he still has a number of drooling fan girls.

        Anna Popplewell – not nearly as popular as William. Her fan base has clearly dwindled in the intervening years since Prince Caspian.

        Will Poulter – somewhat less popular than Anna, but then he’s just getting started.

        Skandar – a D-List star at best.

      • Little Miss Artemis says:

        Why are we suddenly talking about which Narnia star is more famous?

      • Anhun says:

        Don’t mind me, I’m just going off on a tangent. Mayor Wilkins started it.

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        @ Little Miss Artemis: I don’t know about Anhun or Mayor Wilkins, but I find that discussing the fame of the Narnian actors far more preferable than all this
        ‘VDT is doing brilliantly’
        ‘No, it’s numbers are pathetic’
        ‘You’re reading the numbers all wrong, it will make heaps’
        ‘Well according to this imaginary source, it is a lost cause to hope for SC’
        ‘Well according to this imaginary source, it is doing great’
        ‘That doesn’t include these certain numbers, though’
        ‘You’re not interpreting this right!’
        ‘Yes I am!’
        ‘No you’re not!’
        ‘Yes I am!’
        etc.
        @Anhun: Georgie in the fashion industry? I hope not! I’d hate to see someone with so much talent starve herself to death! It’d be kind of ironic, though, after her character has accepted that looks are certainly not everything to go into the fashion industry.
        Interesting findings, however, on your fan-shine theory. Fan shrines are, of course, not indicative of all fans… just fans of certain actors. I wonder what the results would be if all the book fans were vote on what their favourite human character was in the series? Just a thought. I reckon your fansite research is probably pretty solid evidence, though. πŸ™‚

    • WarriorMaiden says:

      I went and saw it again this week. :o)

  • starkat says:

    At least it’s steady. If you go look at it day by day, the count is fairly consistent. There isn’t a dramatic upswing or downswing. Guess we’ll see what happens when school kicks back off.

  • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    how long will it stay in theatres?

    • Anhun says:

      I think they’ll wait to see if it has legs before making that call.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        what is considered normal for a semi successful movie like this -these days- 6 weeks?

      • Anhun says:

        Definitely more than 6 weeks, but possibly as few as 7, it’s hard to say. Some unsuccessful movies hang on for a really long time, down to the bitter end.

  • comedian says:

    Its no longer showing in singapore

  • _Lilliandil_ says:

    fourth is good. i hope it does super-well so they continue making the series.

  • King-Edmund-the-Great says:

    I thought it would actually do better.

  • Anhun says:

    Let’s not forget it hasn’t even opened in Japan, which was PC’s biggest overseas market.

  • Queen Su says:

    I’m going again this weekend! πŸ™‚

    • Cynical Narnia Fanboy says:

      me too…

      if everybody on narniaweb who enjoyed it or wants to see it do well goes and see it this weekend before school lets back in, let’s get it higher than fourth…

      and i don’t think it’s opened in Japan yet, which is a big market…

      • Tribunal says:

        A few hundred dollars from repeat viewers won’t make much of a difference really.

      • narnian elv says:

        keep on adding a few dollars to a few dollars and eventually you got alot. Don’t be so negative, every little bit counts!

      • Not Of This World says:

        If one hundred people pay for a (I’m guessing 10 dollars per person) ticket, thats one thousand dollars.

      • Tribunal says:

        1,000 dollars…. Ok well it will need more like millions of dollars to be seen as a success.

      • narnian21 says:

        ok tribunal what is your problem. every time i read one of your comments it always seems like your so rude. sure reality wouldn’t hurt but it doesn’t hurt to be hopeful either! and if you take a friend or two or three that could be $20-40 added to the box office. whoopie that’s not a whole lot. but what if your friends happen to like it? they may tell their friends that it was good and maybe those friends will go see and then their friends go see it, maybe even more than once. And look what you’ve started: a chain reaction! that $40 that you consider worthless just multiplied into who knows how much. and if other people did the same thing, there are the millions of dollars that you were referring to! I think narnia has a shot at succeeding. and when you comment next time, couldn’t it be a little nicer?

      • Tribunal says:

        And what if that friend hates the film? Bad word of mouth. It goes both ways.

      • Cynical Narnia Fanboy says:

        @ Tribunal: Agreed, but a "few" isn’t what i was thinking of… And was the movie so very bad???

      • Not Of This World says:

        Do you need to be so negitave, Tribunal?

      • Tribunal says:

        @Cynical

        Not everyone shares the same opinion of the film. Just as you expect there to be good word of mouth there will be bad. Just as any other film.

      • Not Of This World says:

        What I was saying was that every time a person sees the movie, that’s more money. And Tribunal, can you say you’ve made 231 million in 3 weeks? They are make quite a lot of money even considering it was a movie.

      • Anhun says:

        @Not of This World: I highly doubt Tribunal has recently spent 155 million . . . I could be wrong though. πŸ˜‰

  • Gem says:

    Well, it looks hopeful. Not great, but hopeful. I’m going to see it again ASAP.

  • Anhun says:

    At this point, I’m not very hopeful that VDT will rise to PC’s numbers, which means that it’s very unlikely that Fox will continue to finance the series at the same budget. I wonder if they’ll continue if Walden agrees to a lower budget? . . . We’ll have to see.

    • gstommylee says:

      That is not necessary true. PC and VDT have two very different production costs. So VDT may make less but may end up earning a bigger profit than PC did.

      • Anhun says:

        That’s not the standard that they’re looking for. Fox agreed to finance VDT at a lower budget, hoping that it would make PC’s numbers and, therefore, make a profit. PC was a failure. VDT needs to make a much higher profit than PC in order to keep the franchise going.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        the chief of fox2000 personally wanted the narnia series and walden scooped it up. she is thrilled disney dropped it so she could get her hands on it. I dont think fox will give up too easily.

    • Lewis Tolkien says:

      "VDT needs to make a much higher profit than PC in order to keep the franchise going."

      No, Fox never would have taken on the series if this were true. The vast majority of sequels do not make as much money as earlier films in the series (LOTR and Harry Potter are just two oddball exceptions to this, not the rule). It would have been stupid to invest so much money on the idea that this movie would buck a clear-cut trend.

      The assumption was never that it would necessarily make more than PC. Fox took into account several things when taking on the series: this was a project that was already well underway, requiring less of an investment from them, they stand to make very good profit from TV and Pay-TV licensing and DVD/BR sales, and apparently their company is associated with Harpers Collins, the publishers of the Chronicles of Narnia books, so they, or rather their parent company, will even make extra money on increased book sales inspired by the movie (Fox and Harper Collins are both owned by News Corp.), plus Fox holds the rights to The Screwtape Letters, so it will help that (future) film too if they can keep interest up in C.S. Lewis and his stories.
      Beyond this, keeping going with the series will help boost sales of VDT for TV and on DVD/BR. Each time a new Narnia film comes out, sales of the earlier movies in the series will increase and it will be shown on TV with greater frequency (as we just saw happen with LWW and PC).

      • Anhun says:

        Yes, they would have taken it on. Notice I said *profit*. You’re talking about the gross, not profit. PC was a serious money-loser for Disney. In other words, negative profit. Why would Fox have taken on VDT if they thought they would lose a bundle of money too? They wouldn’t have. They were hoping that a lower budget combined with a gross in the same ballpark as PC would lead to a positive profit, if not in the theatrical run, at least in the DVD sales.

  • Xande says:

    Dear Narnians,

    Consider the data from the link:

    http://www.narniaweb.com/info/box-office/

    Now do the math…

    PC box office from May 16 to June 1 (17 days):

    Domestic Total: $115 million
    Worldwide Total: $166.9 million

    VDT from Dec 10 to Dec 26 (17 days):

    Domestic Total: $62,597,030
    Worldwide Total: $165,021,702

    Conclusion:
    Worldwide VDT is pretty much the same as PC. Domestic is lagging WAY behind.

    The bright side: so far it is "holding" box office better than PC on a week-by-week basis.

    A word of advice: box office is like election. If you want to elect your candidate (i.e VDT succeed), you need to vote (go watch the movie). To think that your little vote doesn’t count is foolish. EVERY VOTE COUNTS! Go cast your vote!!!

    saludos!

    • Anhun says:

      Well that’s semi-good news. Between the progress so far, and the fact that VDT seems to have pretty good legs, VDT’s foreign total should eventually catch up to PC’s. Just the same, things are looking bleak on the domestic front, and that’s the most important factor. πŸ™

    • The Archenlander says:

      I think you are misquoting. Which is a good thing, because actually its better. You are mixing up worldwide totals, and foreign totals. These aren’t the same thing. Worldwide includes the domestic. Foreign does not. So with that:

      PC Worldwide (17 days) – 166.9 million
      VDT Worldwide (17 days) – 224.6 million (roughly)

      For the link you shared did not give the foreign, but the domestic and then the worldwide. I think that is the correct interpretation anyway, and hope that is right. But we also need to remember that the US was one of the first countries to release PC, where as VDT it was about in the middle, if not closer to the end.

      • The Archenlander says:

        **the total for VDT after 17 days was roughly 227.6 sorry.**

        also remember that PC had a production budget of 225 mil, while VDT only had 150 mil.

      • Xande says:

        Hi Archelander,

        I wished what you said is true, however I think that worldwide is considering only outside the U.S. Look at PC numbers from June 23-29:

        Domestic Total: $137.6 million
        Worldwide Total: $275.4 million

        It adds up to approx. $413 million which is roughly what PC made as total.

        Also, in (I hope the link works):

        http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=narnia3.htm

        It explicitly says the Foreign total for VDT:

        Foreign Total as of Dec. 26, 2010:
        $165,021,702

        However, I still believe:

        (1) VDT will do better than PC internationally.
        (2) Domestically, VDT it can still make very close to PC.

        Consider this:
        PC domestic "final" is $137.6 million. VDT is at approx. $69 million. That is approx. $68 million to go. If VDT were to keep its current $3.something million/day rate, it could reach this mark in little more than 22 days. HOWEVER, it is likely that this rate will slow down soon enough (maybe by next week but that is me speculating here). All the more reason that, the more the fans keep going to the theater the better.

      • stateofgreen says:

        Archenlander where did you get the $227.6 million figure from?

      • The Archenlander says:

        here check this site out:
        http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008/NARN2.php

        scroll down to the worldwide weekly chart total. if you see the dates dont match up to those that Xande’s link stated, so the numbers dont match up exactly. but if you follow along you can see that by the end the worldwide totals end up being the 419 mil figure, which was the total gross of PC. so with this you can add up the numbers that Xande gave us and see that they dont match up to the weekly worldwide as my link states.

      • The Archenlander says:

        stateofgreen the 227.6 mil figure i got from boxofficemojo as sunday, but the total on there now is as of today, which doesnt have the foreign box office in, just the domestic to that date. so the total today, with foreign as of sunday is 234.8 mil

      • Xande says:

        Archenlander,

        I think $137.6 million for domestic gross (from the link I gave) is pretty close to $141,621,490 million (from the link you gave), as $275.4 million (my link) is to $277,868,796 (your link) for international gross. However, for the sake of VDT, I do wish your assessment is correct.

      • The Archenlander says:

        Hey Xande,
        I see where you are coming from, and this is really hard for me to explain, but PC made roughly 419 mil when it was done. so if you scroll all they way down the link i gave you can see that total in the Worldwide weekly chart. so if you go to roughly the same dates (since they dont have the same dates the totals are different) you can see that they match up with the totals u gave for your worldwide totals (which are worldwide totals not foreign like i think you are interpreting them to be. so you are giving the right worldwide, but you dont add the domestic because they are already in your links totals. where as the VDT totals are separated foreign and domestic. That is really confusing, but I hope you see where i am coming from.

        I am not tryin to be rude at all, i just want you to see the VDT has a higher gross with same time as PC, so you can be excited with me πŸ™‚

      • Xande says:

        Hey Archenlander,

        No worries. We all want the same thing and I hope you are right. However, I do think that the more each and every one of us go watch VDT and bring a friend(s) the better are its chance to match up to PC.

        Cheers!

    • Tribunal says:

      You forgot to mention Prince Caspian was not out in many countries in those first few weeks. VDT has opened in most contries already, hence the higher gross.

      • Xande says:

        That is not necessarily true. I am not sure in how many countries PC was released at that point, but I do know that VDT still has at least one good card to play, i.e Japan (I am not sure about China).

      • Anhun says:

        Well that does change things. So there’s still a good chance that VDT’s foreign won’t catch up to PC’s. At the end of the day, VDT will still have a respectable overseas haul, but that in and of itself won’t save it. It didn’t save Golden Compass.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        yeah, but the fox head personally wants narnia for her studio

    • FriendOfNarnia2 says:

      It may look like VDT is way behind PC in America, but it’s actually not as far behind as it appears. VDT is going to make nearly 25 million over the next 6-7 days due to the holidays, and by the end of its run I guarantee you it will end no more than 25 million from PC’s U.S. total.

      • Anhun says:

        I don’t see how that’s possible. πŸ™

      • sam says:

        holidays? you are referring to here in the US I assume, and as far as I know the only holiday left is New Years and the schools in my area are opening back up tomorrow or monday. So I don’t see how it can make 25 mil in 6-7 days?

        I’ve been reading through this thread (at least all the ones posted by this time) and it just seems sad, this back and forth "the numbers are great" "well you’re looking at the wrong numbers" "but the production costs" "but they don’t care about the production costs…" a lot of this is speculating, we don’t know what fox’s criteria for greenlighting is, what we do know is VOTD’s budget is lower than PC’s, the box office is way lower, and a lot of other competing movies are doing relatively poorly, the economy is in a depression, and the over seas box offices are doing well. So to sum it all up, there’s a good chance that fox will not greenlight the production, but to quote a phrase "’ope? there’s a lot more ‘en ‘ope; Aslan is on the move…" and like aslan Walden media seems like they have more interest in completing this series than most movie studios would. There is also the slim chance that companies can shift, budgets can go down (SC and HHB not being as magically intensive, except for maybe the large group of CG owls) and Tilda Swinton really wants to do magicians nephew (and If anyone asks no she didn’t say that exactly)

        sorry again for the long late night rant

      • FriendOfNarnia2 says:

        Tuesday – 3.7
        Wednesday – 3.7
        Thursday – 3.8
        Friday – 4.0
        Saturday – 4.8
        Sunday – 3.9
        Monday – 1.5

        Okay, so maybe it won’t quite make 25 millio, but it will be close. The box office is not quite as unpredictable as it appears. At this point there is about an 80% chance that VDT will end somewhere between 105 and 115 million. (It will probably be closer to 115)

      • Aslan's Girl says:

        Amen, sam! Aslan is on the move!! Everyone, we’ve got to remember that this is also a spiritual battle–I pray that IF God wants SC to be filmed, then He’d do it! And if he doesn’t, then it wouldn’t be filmed… God’s will is best. (although I personally hope His will is for SC to be made!!)=) Further up and further in-long live Narnia, and long live Aslan!

      • Little Miss Artemis says:

        You’re right, its up to Aslan now.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        no sam, you are right, the narnia producers really want to get to magician’s nephew, tilda really wwants to do it, fox2000 studio chief personally saved narnia cause she wants the series, cs lewis nephew wants to do more as an evangelistic tool, don’t be surprised if it doesnt go all the way to the last book, maybe on direct to video if they have to, they are all personally invested,(unlike golden compass, the series only the author’s mother could love, LOL)

  • Princess Lucy says:

    Just curious…is the children on school holidays yet…i mean in the domestic countries such as America and England…if so it must be the dreadful weather that stops flights to any other country…and if it does this..it could also stop people from going to cinemas..maybe…and also so many family films are released which makes it harder for VDT to get enough profit…perhaps next time we should consider the production team to release the next film (if made) during a time with not much family films..but it has strong legs so thats great…i just think its too early to know the exact profit of VDT…i know its been 3 weeks…but it takes time like anything else πŸ™‚

    • Anhun says:

      lol, when PC didn’t do well in May, everyone said "Why didn’t they release it during the holidays!" Some people even insisted that this was the main ingredient in PC’s failure (as if).

      No, I think the time of year is actually helping VDT, just not enough. I know I’ve had a very hard time convincing any of my friends to come with me, because they all say, "The second movie was awful, and this one isn’t getting good reviews." Basically, PC irreparably damaged the brand.

      • Princess Lucy says:

        lol Anhun…i know what you mean…it did helped VDT to be released at this time i gotto admit…i hope it gets better though….its just a shame to have all these other exciting films released around the same time as VDT…and oh no that must be depressing for you to have people you know refusing to see this VDT due to PC..oh what a shame..they are missing alot…tell them to look at the trailer and ask if it looks exciting coz its not good to rely on reviews..and btw i saw the film and it was fantastic..the colours, effects, the acting is all great and the story coool…and its very hillarious i mean very…will poulter is truely a great actor so yh…i hope you enjoy the film as much as i did..and i hope they get convinced to watch it with you..i wish you the best πŸ™‚

      • Pevensie15 says:

        I wouldn’t say "irreparably" damaged the franchise. It looks to me as if it’s bouncing back quite nicely. I would suggest buying your friend’s tickets–that way they can’t not go.

        For Narnia???

      • Anhun says:

        The issue isn’t that they can’t afford to go. I’ve offered to pay their way. the issue is that they don’t want to waste 2 hours of their life watching another Narnia fiasco.

      • Pevensie15 says:

        I didn’t mean that. I meant that if you bought them, they would be obligated to go….

      • dramaticalmama says:

        actually, for me, Prince Caspian was the best out of the three. Sure, Prince Caspian sucked at some parts, but I wouldn’t call it a fiasco. I always liked a darker Narnia, but I guess its just a matter of opinion.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        tell them the real people love it! critics are snobs

      • Anhun says:

        @Pevensie: No, they wouldn’t.

        @Shelly: That’s simply not true. Audience response has also been extremely mixed. Some people love it, some people hate it, a lot of people love some things about it and not others. If it was getting great word of mouth, it’s imdb rating would be considerably higher than 6.7.

        And it’s not just imdb. Even here on Narniaweb, where, I would imagine, there is a certain amount of bias in FAVOUR of any Narnia movie, if you go to the "I’ve seen the movie and it was . . ." section of the forums, you’ll find the responses are all over the map. Some people are down right giddy, they love it so much. Whereas some people are horrified. In fact, when I finally got around to seeing it, I went it in expecting it to be mediocre, I saw so many negative reviews here on Narniaweb.

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      i heard early on the audience was around 80% positive /good. narniawebbers are harder on it cause they know how great it COULD be, being more well versed in "the deep magic". it’s a decent film by today’s moviemaking standards, i’d say (having to be politically correct, not too religious, plenty of explosions/fights for the violent gamers, dumbed down dialog for the mtv crowd,etc.) but it COULD have been A CLASSIC like the wizard of oz in the right hands. And deeply moving/spiritual in the hands of someone not willing to defang it of its christian subtext.

  • pselpevensie says:

    i hope this is good…

  • always narnian says:

    I have seen it twice, the day it released and I saw it again today.

  • columba says:

    Good news is that the family friendly competition for the next three weeks is meager. Tron is the only film meeting expectations (and actually is a little below). Yogi is awful, gulliver is terrible, but vdt is sustaining. Could mean nice figures through january.

  • claireyy says:

    yay!!!! silver chair!!!!
    please do the silver chair!!!!!!

  • Kristine says:

    It is hard to interpret these numbers in terms of whether or not silver chair will get green lit. My guess is fox is probably waiting to see how well it holds up in the coming weeks. The debut was well below expectations at least domestically, but it does appear to be showing some legs which gives me hope. It seems that the domestic total is what is more pivotal for some reason (golden compass did amazing overseas but still got the plug pulled on the rest) so I am hoping that vet will cross the 100 mil mark which I think is possible eventually. I am just not sure if that number is enough. It still amazes me that even though PC made 419mil worldwide with a 225mil budget it was considered a failure to the point that Disney dropped the franchise al together.

    • Anhun says:

      The production budget was 225 mil. If you add the 100 mil they spent on marketing that makes 325 that the movie cost them.
      Now consider the fact that the theatres get their cut of the money. Disney only got part of the 419 mil, most of the 140 domestic take, but a small fraction of the 280 foreign, and you got yourself a flop.

      • FriendOfNarnia2 says:

        Well, if they break even at the box office (which is what looks like will happen), then there is still DVD’s and merchandise to help make a profit.

      • Anhun says:

        No, we were talking about PC, not VDT. We don’t know what VDT’s total box office will be.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        it was disney’s own fault with their stupid decisions

  • Pevensie15 says:

    I’ve been reading the box office quite anxiously over the last few weeks, as most of you are, and I think VDT’s gross is very hopeful.

    Consider this:

    Looking at the domestic charts for weekend grosses, PC did this:
    1st weekend – $55 mil
    2 weekend – $29 mil
    3 weekend – $12 mil
    4 weekend – $5 mil
    5 weekend – $3 mil
    6 weekend – 1 mil
    And it lowers and lowers.

    Let’s compare this to VDT:
    1st weekend – $24 mil
    2 weekend – $12 mil
    3 weekend – $9 mil
    4 weekend – (a projected) $12 mil (boxoffice.com)

    As you can see, VDT is holding up and word of mouth has seemed to have taken charge. Apparently, although I don’t believe this myself, PC was grim. It died fast and withered away. VDT claimed the top spot domestically the same time Tourist came out. Now Tourist is practically buried on the charts. Eight movies have come out since VDT and Narnia has lost theaters but is still holding up extremely well.

    By the end of this week, I’m guessing it will have $87+ million, which will make it the fourth biggest Walden Media film, only behind the two Narnia’s and Journey to the Center of the Earth (101 million).

    After this weekend, the day-to-day grosses will be bad (because of school and such), but people will save it for the weekends. The weekends will slowly die down. However, let’s say that it makes a steady 3 million a week for 15 weeks. First off, the first few weeks will rake in more than this, so there is much hope.

    But sticking with the analogy, that would tack on $45 mill, bringing the domestic total to the $130’s–very near PC’s domestic gross. And if us fans see it again and again, tell other people about it, be optimistic, and pray (don’t forget that), I think it has an excellent chance of reaching PC.

    As for foreign profits, I spent a great deal of time today adding up expected grosses from countries where it has not been released, and countries that have not been updated. And I think there is a good chance that VDT reaches $270 mil. Perhaps an even better chance than reaching PC in the domestic arena. Also, some of the countries VDT opened in already is doing better than PC did.

    Either way you look at this, once VDT reaches $250, the 60/40 movie theater/producer split will surpass the budget. I don’t know about the marketing plan, but I expect VDT can surpass it as well.

    Keeping in mind Walden Media’s biggest film’s are the Narnia franchise, I think they’ll keep it alive. In fact, just below the Narnia films is Journey to the Center of the Earth, which made a worldwide total of $241 million worldwide. I also know that Walden is making another Journey movie. Albeit Journey had a lower budget, but if it was really needed, Narnia’s budget can be lowered.

    In fact, it can be lowered without jeopardy to the product. The most expensive Star Wars’ budget was only $115 million, and look how well they were made. Episode one had a $50 mill budget!

    Fox and Walden both seem happy.

    My guesses:

    VDT Domestic: $120 million
    Domestic hope: $156 million (one above the budget… for those suckers at Disney.. lol)

    Foreign: $282 million (don’t ask)
    Hope: $300 million

    And if you, like me, are optimistic, see the movie again and again. I can tell you personally that I enjoyed it much more the latter times. And see it in 3d. In this worldwide recession, I think it is possible to scrape up a few bucks even so…

    Hey, maybe you can find some loose change in your wardrobe.

    • narnian21 says:

      Actually all the new star wars movies had a budget of $115 million. But still, for the results they got from those movies maybe narnia can pull off a budget like that

    • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

      "Either way you look at this, once VDT reaches $250, the 60/40 movie theater/producer split will surpass the budget."

      Incorrect. Studio shares in the 60% range are only related to domestic gross, and typically only for the first three weeks. The exhibitors gradually start making a bigger chunk of the pie at this point. So, even if the film’s performance remains relatively steady, its profitability will begin to diminish. Furthermore, studios receive, if they are LUCKY, roughly 15% (yes, FIFTEEN) of the foreign gross, after the foreign exhibitors get their piece, and the studio pays foreign marketing costs (advertising, print production, shipping, dubbing, currency conversion, taxes, trade dues, and an endless list of little things that make doing business overseas so much fun–NONE of which the exhibitors contribute towards). The biggest factor, therefore, in a film’s profitability is its domestic take for the first three weeks. The better those numbers are, the lower the break-even point. Regardless, it’s a much, much more complicated process than adding up international and domestic grosses and multiplying by 0.60. They are two completely different types of numbers.

      I still maintain that the film will not break even during its theatrical run. That, however, as I have also said, does NOT preclude the possibility of future films. They are two separate issues. The easiest way to secure a fourth film is for Philip Anschutz to guarantee that FOX gets reimbursed up front, before Walden takes their share. I suspect there already may be a relationship of this nature between the two, which would account for FOX’s rather rosy disposition regarding the film’s performance. Make no mistake about this: the biggest champion of these films IS Anschutz, not Douglas Gresham or anyone else. So long as he’s around, there always is a chance.

      Anyway, I’d worry less about the possibility of future films, and more about the possibility that they’ll be as bad as this last one.

      • mcmojo says:

        Where are you getting the 15% number? Ever film has a different overseas distribution deal. Some get a much bigger % while others get very little based on what deals were struck. That is one reason that The Golden Compass did not warrant a sequel. New Line Cinema pretty much sold off all the foreign grosses to international distributors. That meant, that even though the international gross was pretty big for that film, it didn’t help the studio any. 15% is not a set in stone number for every film.

      • Lucylove says:

        Don’t say that I’ve talked with a whole bunch of people that saw it for the first time and they said it was AWESOME!!!!!!

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        The 15% is NET share of the domestic sales. Typically, foreign gross share is in the 30% range. But, the other 15% is lost due to the specific costs of doing business overseas. That’s a rough generalization, but that’s how it works, and it’s why domestic gross is so heavily emphasized over foreign.

        Nothing about these numbers is "set in stone". That’s precisely the point I’m trying to make. There is a HUGE amount of variability at play. Which is why you can’t use a broad multiplier of 0.6 across the board. By that logic, ‘Prince Caspian’ earned $251.8 million for Walden/Disney, with a net profit on the production budget of $26.8 million.

        Right.

        The numbers are two completely different kettles of fish. The shares are vastly different, and they vary over time.

        Irrespective of all that, what I’m trying to say is:

        1) For large budget "Hollywood" films of this nature, the three-week domestic gross is THE key indicator of box office performance. These numbers influence the break-even point more than anything else.

        2) Theatrical runs are the *beginning* of a film’s financial performance, not the sum total. It is not the end of the world if a film does not break even at the box office, necessarily. There’s too much manic obsession about that here. Don’t expect it to break even, but relax, regardless.

        3) These films have one of the richest men on the planet behind them, and he is HIGHLY motivated to see the series continue. That is not to say that Mr. Anschutz earned his position in life by being an idiot with his money. Far, far from it. But, he’s a very driven, principled man, and he’s, by far, the most significant reason we saw a THIRD film. This franchise has a wildcard that others do not: a billionaire with an emotional attachment to the property, pulling the strings, who can WAIT to earn back his investment.

        4) I don’t know if No. 3 is necessarily a good thing, considering the abysmal product that was the last film. My hope is that the film does well enough to, eventually, secure ‘The Silver Chair’, but poorly enough to make the filmmakers question their approach. Or, preferably, to get better filmmakers. Go away, and come back when you get it right, or don’t come back at all. I don’t want this same tepid, obsessively inoffensive, generic drivel in another two and a half years.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        how do they expect EVERYONE to get to the theater the first weekend? i have a life

    • Reepicheep says:

      That is very interesting. VDT’s fourth weekend total increased whereas each of PC’s weekends decreased. This film is picking up pace peoples!

    • Pevensie15 says:

      Journey to the Center of the Earth opened to 22 million (that’s a big number let’s not forget) and ended up with 101 million domestically. It was seen as a huge hit!

      Now they’re making a franchise out of it. BTW, it was made by Walden.

      Don’t you think Walden will continue with its biggest franchise–Narnia???

    • JD says:

      Films that gross over 300 million worldwide are hard to find. The fact is the Narnia series is doing well Internationally and will be respectable in the US, definitely over 100 million as high as 125 million plus when all is said and done.
      The ‘cost opportunity’ some negative nellies like to bring up isn’t that bad. No one is saying the next movie has to equal the budget of VDT. Narnia is a proven franchise and Walden Media will always try to make the next film because they own the film rights and it doesn’t do them any good if it’s not made. The question is will FOX be their partner. I say it will be yes. Look at their other films, Gullivers travels cost 110 and it will bomb worldwide. Persia will make less than VDT domesically and probably worldwide.
      Some films rely on the US market to be their whole gross(Adam Sandler comedies for example). Others 2/3s like Star Trek.(VDT already made 50 million more Internationally than ST) Other less than half like say Iron Man. But movies like Harry Potter and Narnia films, the US market is only 25-30 percent of their worldwide total.
      Rule of thumb is always budget double the worldwide gross, so VDT is on target.

  • Gerardo says:

    Well.. after finally watching Dawn Treader yesterday ( I know… waited so long! but Harry and Tangled and Christmas gifts had diminished my budget) I loved it! And I felt hopeful… It is the only film that I have watched where after 3 weeks that it has been in theaters, the audience clapped at the end (and I did not start it!) I want to watch it again soon!!!!

  • Pevensie15 says:

    One more thing–

    PC’s weekly gross is as follows:

    1 – $68 mil
    2 – $34 mil
    3 – $17 mil

    Whereas, VDT’s…

    1 – $30 mil
    2 – $22 mil
    3 – (a projected) $22,669,665+

    As you can see, although the slow start, due to the supposed grimness of the last movie, the hiatus between films, the recession, and liberal criticism, the film had a slow start, but is bouncing back and doing, percentage-wise, greater than the last Narnia’s.

    If it continues, if us fans continue to promulgate the film’s greatness, I think it has a good chance at catching PC.

    Remember, every ticket counts.

  • Bob says:

    Well this is very disappointing. Silver Chair won’t get made now. This is a failure in every sense.

    • Son of Adam no.1 says:

      DON’T SAY THAT!

    • Not Of This World says:

      What makes you think that, Bob?

    • Anhun says:

      Well, yes and no. Like you, I’ve given up any hope that VDT will rise to PC’s heights. However, that doesn’t kill all hope for a continuation. If Walden agrees to a lower budget, Fox may continue to fund the series. A lower budget might not be so difficult. SC doesn’t require the same intensity of effects, and their are only two actors that they absolutely need to have, Liam Neeson and Will Poulter.

    • Duffleglum says:

      πŸ˜€ Bob, don’t worry!
      One thing stays constant that I have learned: GOD!!

      He controls this franchise as much as he does the universe.
      Put hope in Him, not in Hollywood, nor VDT, nor SC.

      As I see it, Narnia needs a reboot, and I think these movies serve as good guides/warnings to future franchises.

  • elton says:

    i think this is good

  • yeswelovenarnia says:

    I believe this is good and I also think that it will be better after this week…I saw it again and the theater was almost sold out…one of my friends tried to see it and the theater was sold out! I think that a lot of people are seeing it over the holidays and that will help it in the box office!

    • Lucylove says:

      Wow! And I got a whole bunch of people to see it on Nick.com by using the chat and Message Boards!

      • yeswelovenarnia says:

        Thats good!! I got almost all my friends to watch it and a bunch of other people on my facebook. I was surprised though that it was still selling out after 3 weeks…I believe that is a really good sign regardless of the factors that are showing now. πŸ™‚

  • Louloudi the Centaur says:

    I wonder how Disney is feeling about Tron Legacy and Tangled right now. Tron is doing fine here, but not much overseas. Tangled has passed its budget, but not by much. As for Warner Bros., Yogi isn’t doing so hot, but at least its budget is only $80 million. And thank goodness Gulliver is a flop. It made only $7 million on opening weekend, even with 3D. So think of it. Dawn Treader hasn’t actually done as badly as we thought.

  • Reepicheep says:

    Shut up all you emo analysts! Think of How to Train Your Dragon earlier this year. It opened to $43 million which was deemed as disappointing compared to Dreamworks’ last 3D film Monsters vs Aliens which opened to $59 million. Unlike Monsters vs Aliens, which only ended up with $198 million domestically and $183 million overseas, How to Train Your Dragon ended up with $218 million and $277 million overseas and with only very small weekend drops until the sixth weekend. Therefore, Dreamworks are setting up yet another franchise.

    One reason why it overcame its weak opening was because of word of mouth. Although critics aren’t being kind to VDT (which is a very unfair call) fans are absolutely loving it and because of this, we have a weekend increase, something that doesn’t happen often this soon and something that didn’t happen to How to Train Your Dragon until its 16th weekend. This is a sign, that VDT is finally starting to shine at the box office and that Silver Chair will be made!

    • Anhun says:

      The only reason why VDT is holding so well is because of the time of year. It’s typical for movies released in December to pickup during the weeks before and after Christmas. Even Eragon and Golden Compass experienced that bump, and they were both flops in the end. Granted VDT is doing better than those two movies, but my point is, the pick up doesn’t mean it’s getting good word of mouth or building up steam, it’s just a time-of-year phenomenon. The fact of the matter is, VDT is getting extremely mixed reviews from critics and audiences alike. VDT may very well fall off the map next week. πŸ™

      • Pevensie15 says:

        Sure, every movie receives a bump during the Christmas season, but not even LWW had the bump VDT is getting–that’s got to be word of mouth working.

        The mixed reviews just aren’t true. The liberal media doesn’t like it (big surprise), but it has an over 60% approval rating. That’s a majority.

        Tron only has a 30% approval rating.

      • Anhun says:

        What is your source for these approval ratings? I haven’t seen those numbers anywhere. On Box Office Mojo, Tron and VDT get the same grade (B). On IMDb, Tron is getting a significantly better response than VDT (7.5 stars vs 6.7). On rotten tomatoes, the two movies are getting roughly the same responses from audiences and general critics. VDT is doing significantly better with rotten tomatoes’ top critics, but it’s 50% vs 30, not 60v30.

      • Kristine says:

        I agree that vdt is getting help from the release date. However, if it was getting negative word of mouth like the tourist, it would have fallen off the grid by now. I know it is not doing stellar at the box office, but at leastit does seem to be having some legs.

    • FriendOfNarnia2 says:

      But analyzing is what makes it fun! :p

  • Queen Elizabeth says:

    I think we should just stop worring about the numbers and pray that we get a sequal πŸ™‚ I’m sure this is going to be way better than PC expecially when the DVD comes out. You can’t just stop making the movies half way through the series! πŸ™‚

  • Moze says:

    I’ve been reading the Chronicles of Narnia for about forty-one years now, and like many of you, owe them more than I can tell or repay. This may be a heretical thing to suggest, particularly on a site devoted to Narnia on film, but: would it be the end of the world if no future Narnia movies were made?

    I went to see "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" in 2005, and as I sat in the theater waiting for it to start, all I wanted was for it not to stink. When it was done, I sat there, dumbfounded to be almost wholly pleased and thought, "By Himself, they DID it!" And as I walked out of the theater, I found myself thinking, oddly enough, "And now that you movie types have shown you can do it, why not just stop here? I don’t think I can go through this again."

    Still, I saw "Prince Caspian" in the theater, and I bought the DVD, and I have watched it and LWW several times over; I went (at last) to see VDT a couple of days ago, and though I left the theater with mixed feelings (visually the most beautiful of the three so far, Eustace near to perfect, but story somewhat muddled), I’ll likely go see it again in the theater, and will certainly buy the DVD when it comes out. And if they get as far as "The Silver Chair," I suppose that the sheer momentum of curiosity will keep me going back to see the next one, and the one after that. I will almost certainly be retired (if I am still alive) by the time "The Last Battle" is released, and the movie in 3D-VR, but I’ll sit down, fasten my seat belt, take whatever medication I am on by then, and say, "Okay–hit me again."

    But my point (at last) is that the books AS BOOKS are fundamentally and intimately important to me. They came along at a time in my life when one is as stupid as one ever gets (high school), when I had thought myself long past the age when one reads children’s books and was trying hard to be grown-up in the stupid way that boys who aren’t grown up imagine they’re supposed to be. By chance (in the ordinary way of looking at it), I was reading a book and came across the words "Narnia" and "Aslan" and the names of the books they came from–and for a reason I found hard to understand, though I had never heard of these books before, I knew I had to get at them. That feeling badgered me for several days until I at last found the courage to go to the children’s section of the town library, red-faced and hoping nobody I knew would see me, grab as many of the Narnia books as were there, and check them out as hurriedly as I could and get out, like an under-aged kid with a fake ID at a liquor store. Got them home, went to my room, opened "Prince Caspian" (LWW was absent)–and knew, within a very few pages, that my life was changing. I didn’t know Who the books were really about–the understanding is always the last to know what’s going on–but I knew, as well as a stupid person can know anything, that I was never going to be without these books again. From the Chronicles, it was just a short leap to the rest of CSL’s books, and you can probably guess how the rest of the story goes.

    It’s fun to go to the Narnia movies and see how someone else has imagined certain scenes in the books, and how a whole crew of artists, directors, composers and actors have decided to depict Narnia for the audience–but whatever is up on the screen is not MY book. My Chronicles of Narnia are invested with four decades of experience and the memories of what was happening in my life at the times that I read them. They get deeper and richer as the years go by, in ways that only books can do, because when you read, you do most of the imaginative work; a movie does most of the work for you. More dangerously, it convinces an increasingly less literate audience that, once they’ve seen the movie, they’ve experienced the book, and may go no farther.

    If "The Silver Chair" is produced, well, God bless it. I will, as I have said, go to see it. But if no other Narnia movie is ever made, some part of me will breathe a quiet sigh of relief. This may be both selfish and short-sighted–I have no idea how many people who wouldn’t have read the Chronicles have been steered towards them by the movies, or how many lives have been changed thereby. But watching the Narnia films is somewhat like having someone get hold of my family’s photo album and turn it into a feature film: it might make for an entertaining movie, and I would probably pay to see it–but it won’t be what the album means to me.

    Sincere apologies to anyone whose sensibilities I have offended–no offense was meant. And sorry for the length.

    • ChristProclamer says:

      Wow. I’ve got to say, Moze, that is a really beautiful way of putting it, and rather encouraging after all the money-money debates. You do have an excellent point; the movies are only adaptations. The books will ever remain the real treasure.

      • Moze says:

        I have forgotten about whom this story was told, but a writer whose books had been made into movies was entertaining a fan who complained that the movies had ruined the novels. "Ruined?" the writer said, turning to point at the bookshelf. "Nonsense! They’re all right here!"

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        i bet it was anne rice regarding the vampire chronicles

    • thesithempire says:

      Great comment, Moze! Brings a little perspective back into things. Indeed, TLTWATW and PC were not MY Narnia. This last one came closest, which I wasn’t expecting. The characters were more resonant of my vision, and the gorgeous depiction of Narnia was closer than the fake-looking one of the first film.

      For me, there’s always that hope they’ll "get it right," by which I mean, that they’ll approximate what’s in my head. But that’s a rare thing because of the reasons you mentioned. A book is infused with not only the imagination of the reader, but his emotions from a certain time and place. I think too that when you read something at a younger age (younger than your 30s, that is), it leaves a more indelible impression.

      The Silver Chair is my favorite of the series, and I am curious–now that I know they have a great Eustace–to see if they can pull it off, and create something that’s both lasting and artistic as a film, and which captures the integral elements and emotions of the book.

      • Moze says:

        As ticked off as I was by the resectioning of the plot of the movie version of "Dawn Treader," I have to admit that parts of it were certainly more "Narnian" in spirit than the film of "Prince Caspian," and closer in tone to the source. There was one brief scene with the Dawn Treader sailing along at sunset and a ragged stretch of red clouds across the sky that nearly lifted me out of the theater seat. And Eustace, as I have said, was as close to perfect as you’re likely to get. It would be sort of a shame not to give the actor a chance at handling "The Silver Chair," which is a particular favorite of mine, as well.

    • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

      Wonderful post. I love a little reason and common sense. I would say this, though: I don’t think that the books being as precious and beautiful as they are necessarily precludes the films from *aspiring* to match that same level, in their own regard, and through the facilities of their particular medium. To me, the anticipation of these films (and, I readily admit, that it’s pretty much a lost cause) has always been: "Can they make me believe I’m seeing Narnia with my eyes, on a screen, instead of with my imagination, through the printed word?" I tend to think that the medium of film is far more flexible than many people here give it credit for being so. Thus, I find it much harder to "accept the films for what they are", and, instead, find myself longing for what could have been. The books, I agree, will always be there for us, and their value is unquestioned. But, as long they make these films, I want more than they’ve given us, and I find myself constantly frustrated at the squandered opportunities.

      • elanor says:

        Yes! A movie adaptation of a book should BE the book in front of our faces, as much as humanly possible.

        I could almost see in my mind how wonderful these movies could have been, and that’s why the new one was disapointing to me. It wasn’t necessarily "bad," but it was only an "entertaining kid’s movie," and loving C.S. Lewis as much as I do I was hoping for something that would be worthy of his sparkling imagination and simple depth. Oh well. Next time?

    • Lewis Tolkien says:

      I remember reading prior to the release of the LWW movie in 2005 that the book, The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, had sold around 60 million copies. The most recent estimate that I’ve seen is that it has sold 87 million copies. That is a very big increase in a relatively short time. Whenever any of these movies come out the book sales shoot up. For that reason alone, I would wholeheartedly support the continuation of this film series.

      I have read numerous books and been introduced to many authors through movies that I’ve enjoyed. Indeed, I first "discovered" C.S. Lewis after seeing the movie Shadowlands with Anthony Hopkins as Lewis in the movie theaters back in Jan. 1994. These Narnia films are just about the biggest advertisements for C.S. Lewis there could possibly be. For that, as a huge Lewis fan, I’m very grateful. (Now, if only some excellent film maker would make movie versions of Lewis’s Space Trilogy and his novel Till We Have Faces…)

      • Moze says:

        A couple or so years back, I read something on IMDB about "Out of the Silent Planet" being in pre-production, with a screenplay written (or to be written) by someone with the last name of "Franks," but I can’t find it now. Maybe it has been retitled "Space Otters of the War Planet," or has been canceled, or maybe I was having an elaborate hallucination, but I would swear that it was there at one time.

        I am more uneasy about a film adaptation of the Space Trilogy than I am about the Narnia films. At the heart of all three of the books is an indictment of many of the easy, lazy assumptions about the nature of Reality that have become the cultural standard since the end of the Second World War, and particularly in the last fifty years. I suspect that none would make it to the screen without substantial "revision" and "correction," and "That Hideous Strength" would probably be gutted outright.

        But I’m solidly on board with the idea of a film of "Till We Have Faces" if you could find a director who not only understood what the book was really about, but sympathized with it–as well as find a first-rate actress who would not only not mind hiding her face for most of the movie, but who would agree to be made up as ugly when the veil was off.

        But really, I think "Till We Have Faces" is begging to be made into an opera, if you could find the right composer. I nominate Krzysztof Penderecki! (And quickly–he’s 83.)

      • Moze says:

        Correction to the above note: he’s 77 (weak math skills). That gives us a little more time . . .

      • elanor says:

        Good point, Lewis Tolkien. If more people are reading about Narnia because of the movies, I think that is simply wonderful.

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      I am one of those people who is an adult, who just happened to stumbled into the dollar theatre because it was raining and saw LWW , which i had never even heard of as a kid. Well, it blew my mind and I am a total Narnia/ cs lewis fanatic now, so believe me, the movies are very important to our sorry world!!!!!

  • thesithempire says:

    As far as marketing is concerned, I don’t believe that $50 million was spent, let alone a 100! They had a few trailers and TV spots around the time of release, and that’s it. If they expect the film to continue to make money, people need to be reminded that it’s still out there. And where was the usual circuit of interviews, etc.? Fox did a great job ensuring that only few people knew this film was out, and generating zero buzz or excitement about it. The sad part is that it’s a great movie, very classic and old-fashioned in its approach, which is how Narnia should be done. But Fox didn’t capitalize on that. The film could’ve brought in a wider range of viewers. Granted there was the snow and bitter cold and repression, but it’s no excuse for Fox to do a completely lackluster campaign. That corporation is one of the more horrible and pernicious ones anyway, so I’m not surprised.

    • Pevensie15 says:

      Fox did Star Wars. I think it is more perspicacious, than "pernicious."

      • narnian21 says:

        But it’s star wars. All you have to do is say star wars and you’ll have a multitude of people coming. And you can’t hide star wars. Fox knows they will get all there money back in advertising for it. But yeah the advertising for narnia sucked! my parents only knew it was out because i kept reminding them. word of mouth is what we need now. I was chatting with some people and one of them mentioned they saw narnia and it was really good, despite being different from the book. i agreed with her so there might be a few extra tickets added to the box office right there

      • thesithempire says:

        Pevensie: Fox did Star Wars three decades ago, long before it was purchased by Clear Channel and Rupert Murdoch. The recent trilogy was made by Lucas, and only distributed by Fox. They are indeed pernicious, as their so-called "news" station is nothing but deceit and half-truths, Satanic tactics that make them extremely unworthy of C.S. Lewis.

      • Not Of This World says:

        I thought the addvertizing was good. I saw more adds then any other movie (Gulivers Travels, Tron, and Tangled). At least you have to say, the addvertizing was better then PC.

      • Anhun says:

        @sith: All American news stations are like that.

    • Tribunal says:

      …Right, because you’ve seen every commercial that has aired for this film. That $100 million on marketing has been spent worldwide. Commercials, trailers, posters, red carpet premieres, those Narnia themed meet and greets don’t pay for themselves.

  • gstommylee says:

    Non-Negotiable Comment:

    I hope your right that Anschutz will continue to want to see the remaining movies made.

  • Casue says:

    ouch i just hope that they get to pay back the money it costs to make it, and that they convince Fox to stay on…
    Ouch, i gotta get my friends to go see it with me AGAIN!!!

  • Mrs. Caspian says:

    Where are the books, toys, videogames and all the other things that SELL the movie to the average person who does not spend all of their time on websites like NarniaWeb?
    Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising! That’s where the real money from the movie comes form!~Yogurt

  • narnian resident says:

    hmm…..well, this sounds good to me. then again im not knowledged in the whole movie industry thing, but with some simple inference i can have an idea of what is good and what is bad. i just saw TRON on Tuesday, and that was an amazing movie i have to say. i know this sounds very unnarnian, but i can understand why it is doing seemingly better than VDT, after seeing it. please exuse my words. trust me though, when you see TRON, you will see too.
    But of course, Narnia will always be first in my heart πŸ™‚

    • narnian21 says:

      right now i’m boycotting tron for a while. at least until i see VDT again haha. i don’t care if tron needs my help to get its money back so there’s another sequel or whatever. narnia needs our help! i’d rather put my money for an extra showing of VDT rather than Tron

      • dramaticalmama says:

        Hi five!! I’m boycotting Tron too!! (Actually I’m boycotting every other movie) I would watch Narnia again, if not for the fact that they’ve stopped showing it.

  • narnian21 says:

    hopefully I don’t get stoned for saying this but if SC won’t be made (but i really want it to!!!) at least VDT is kind of a good place to end. It wraps up the pevensie story nicely. although it sucks in a way though because it’s depressing if you don’t have the last battle in context, which most people don’t. Hopefully they all get made!

    • Queen Elizabeth says:

      Yea, I want Silver Chair soooo bad. But if things had to end here VDT had a great ending that wrapped up things. I mean Peter and Susan are told they can’t come back and now so are Lucy and Edmund. They are the main characters. Bringing back Eustace would be great πŸ™‚ But not seeig the Pevensies may be sad news to some younger fans. πŸ™‚ I bet if they make SC they will throw the pevenies in there somewhere, maybe in the beginning or at the end when Eusatce and Jill come back from Narnia. And they Susan would know that Caspian had died πŸ™

      • Demor says:

        Well remember, Caspian actually comes into this world at the end of SC. I just hope that movie is closer to the book. I understand their changes for this one, but I hate when movies dont stay with the book

      • lilliandilhater says:

        Knowing Andrew Adamson, he would probably start off with a bloody and brutal murder of Lilliandil (muah ha ha ha ha), and then go to Experiment House with Jill and Eustace. He always likes to do a little background (Caspian’s escape for PC, and the bomb raids for LWW). But if its Michael Apted, he’ll just have some lame old owl explain the death of the dearly beloved lilliandil. So I cross my fingers and hope that Andrew is directing Silver Chair.

      • Little Miss Artemis says:

        I hope that at the end, they throw a little reunion, like, the pevensies pick up eustace and jill from the experiment house, and at the same time, caspian gets to say his last goodbyes to his old friends.

      • Lazuli of Cair Paravel says:

        I for one do hope that andrew directs and harry gregson william composes once again, and yes, i do wish we start off with lilliandil’s death, but i’m not counting on it to be very bloody, as it is a children’s film. And i also hope that there’s a reunion at the end. it’ll be good to see caspian and the pevensies together again.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        Lazuli you took the words right out of my mouth! Ben Barnes back as caspian, caspian at the end, like the book, AA direct HGW for music! Lil and Caspian marry at the beginning. I can only dream!

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        and bring back the original title font at the begining of the movie, please!!

    • Travis Deans says:

      lilliandilhater

      – that comment made me laugh out loud!

  • Embrace says:

    IΒ΄m glad to say that the movie has entered really big at number one here in Sweden! IΒ΄m probably one of the few in here who hasnΒ΄t had time to see it yet… Hopefully I will get a chance tomorrow (during the daytime)at New YearΒ΄s Eve! πŸ™‚

    • Embrace says:

      IΒ΄ve ordered my ticket!

    • freya says:

      It’s doing really well here in Norway too. It was released last weekend and went straight to the top, no competition, and it’s probably going to stay there for a few weeks too. Whereas Tron has totally crashed and burned.
      Saw it a couple of days ago and I absolutely loved it, probably going to see it again, and will definitely buy the dvd when it comes out.

    • Anhun says:

      Do the Nordic countries have a tradition of seafaring adventure stories? I noticed that Narnia has been doing well in the Persian Gulf. I used to live in that part of the world, and I can tell you, the Gulfis love a good seafaring yarn (Sinbad and all that). Not to mention, in Kuwait they put a sailing theme on just about everything, even Burger King, lol.

      • freya says:

        Hehehe, nah, not necessarily seafaring, but we Norwegians are nuts about fantasy movies. You should see the commotion when a HP movie is released, the Weasley twins visited last year when HBP came out and they were blown away. Viggo Mortensen even made a show of appearing at the midnight showing of LotR3 and sung for the orients, really cool. All the Narnia movies have done great, VDT looks to be no exception.

    • Lewis Tolkien says:

      Glad to hear that the movie is doing well in Sweden and Norway. I was wondering how it was doing in Scandinavia.

      Takk.

  • Name* says:

    I don’t care how much it makes, I have no doubt that The Silver Chair will be made.

  • burhan says:

    GUys check this out!! πŸ˜€ http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=narnia3.htm Domestic Total as of Dec. 29, 2010: $73,166,297 + Foreign: $186,047,072 = Worldwide: $259,213,369 its doing good right?

    • Anhun says:

      Well, to compare to similar movies, VDT is now ahead of Golden Compass’ final domestic total. One day away from topping Eragon’s final domestic. And the daily intake is higher than it was for PC at the same point in it’s run.

  • Zack says:

    I would love for The Silver Chair to be made, but I don’t know if it will happen. I sure hope it does! But honestly, if SC ISN’T made, than I’d be okay. The end of VDT felt like the end, you know? The whole, "After my cousins left, after 6the war was over, I missed them with all my heart. As I know all Narnians will miss them…until the end of time…" and then Lucy tearfully closes the door. Doesn’t that sound like the end of the series?

    So, if Silver Chair is made, I’d be thrilled. But if not, I’d be okay because they ended the movie series PERFECTLY.

    • Gem says:

      Well, it was a beautiful ending, to that chapter in the story. But the story doesn’t end there, I mean, Eustace’s journey has just started and they can’t leave him in the dust. I would be devasted if they didn’t make AT LEAST Silver Chair. Especially as VDT, though a good movie, wasn’t brillant like it could have been. I was rather disappointed with it, and I don’t want that bad taste in my mouth to be left there: Narnia as we see it needs to end on a higher note than VDT!

    • Louloudi the Centaur says:

      Well,keep in mind there was mention of a "Jill Pole" at the end, so people who aren’t all familiar with the books will get the feeling a sequel could come.

      • elanor says:

        That’s another thing.

        I know they were trying to tie in Jill for SC, but I think they could’ve done it with a little more foresight (at least, if they are going to follow the book…). Eustace used to be one of THEM and bullied Jill before he went to Narnia. Why on earth would she be "playing" at his house? Oh well, according to the script people it’s probably just a minor plot issue that they will change anyway.

      • Gem says:

        Yeah, I agree with you, elanor. Jill and Eustace are not supposed to be friends before SC, in fact, Esutace was one of the bullies who made fun of Jill before he changed. I think it was rather funny, the foreshadowing they did, but it doesn’t really make sense why Jill would be there when she and Eustace aren’t even on friendly terms at that point.

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        I have no idea why Jill would go to Eustace’s house when he was always so beastly before either! It has been bothering me for quite some time now. Maybe Alberta is good friends with Jill’s mother or something? Just an idea. So Jill’s mother calls in to the Scrubb residence, and drags Jill along with her.
        But yeah, it’s a bit confusing…

    • narnian21 says:

      yeah i was thinking that too. I wonder if the filmmakers made the scene to sound like that on purpose since they don’t know the future of the franchise

    • Kristine says:

      I love e last line of the film. It made me cry buckets at that ending. I agree that it was an appropriate finale, but they did mention Jill so there is still hope.

  • Not Of This World says:

    What I was saying was that it would be unwise to spend that money they don’t have and is not budgeted. I don’t care how much they spend. If they make the money back, lets spend 200 million! πŸ™‚ It just be not very wise to spend 100 million they don’t have.

  • commonlogic says:

    It’s already at close to $260,000,000 worldwide; over 73,000,000 domestic. If you consider that PC cost 70,000,000 more to make, in a sense, by comparison, VDT is doing better financially and there are many more days left. PC garnered 141 million or so domestic, subtract the 70 million in additional production cost = 71 million domestic. VDT already has well over 73 million and will easily surpass 100 million.

    Regarding marketing costs, I’ve probably checked every relevant source and I haven’t seen this bogus 100 million marketing number thrown around. I saw 50 million from one source. Lack of marketing has been the main cause of the lower than expected box office numbers. Marketing for VDT has been pathetic, but I believe, in the end, it will make enough for the series to continue.

    • Anhun says:

      I think the lack of marketing is a factor, but the movie has other things going against it. Mixed critic response. Mixed word of mouth. Not to mention, PC lost a lot of fans for the franchise.

      • commonlogic says:

        Judging from various sources that are unrelated to "Narnia" about 80% either thought it was great or at least good. Among the so called "expert" critics it was about 50/50. I hate to say it, but many of these reviews that were negative dripped a subtle anti-christian bias when you read between the lines.

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        Critics tend to have a natural aversion to awful movies. This is called "objectivity", and is a key component for them to perform their duties. What the exit polls are saying regarding fans "liking" the film is completely irrelevant to the analysis provided by professional film critics, who, like it or not, are far, far less "biased" than anyone investing leisure time and money to see it. These are the same "biased" critics, you will recall, who, five years ago, arrived at a 76% "Fresh" consensus for the first film. Where was this "anti-Christian" bias then?

        You have to remember, there is a big, big difference between personal preference and dispassionate analysis. I’ll give you an example. I’m rather fond of a film called ‘Reign of Fire’. It’s nothing special, but I likes me some fire-breathing dragons, and I found it over-the-top, excellent popcorn fare, and a fun two hours. The critics HATED this film. And, really, I can’t argue with much of their analysis. OBJECTIVELY, they’re right. I would never tell anyone: "You should see ‘Reign of Fire’. It’s a really good movie." That would be a fib. I might say: "Well, if you’re like me, you might overlook its flaws and have a good time." But that’s not a critic’s job. They don’t (or should not) pander to what they *think* an audience might like. They assess the merits of the film *as* a film. On that basis, ‘Dawn Treader’ is being treated VERY fairly, and, again, OBJECTIVELY, it is, I deeply regret to say, a very, very poor product of the cinema.

        I’m not saying it’s wrong to love it. But the only bias on display in these reviews is an anti-bad movie bias.

        In short, don’t shoot the messengers.

      • Moze says:

        On the contrary, shooting the messenger can be a lot of fun: there’s the satisfaction of confronting the immediate source of dismay with a sudden, visceral release of anger, as well as the illusion of having done something about the problem. Getting rid of the bodies (as well as suffering the crushing guilt) can be dealt with later.

        More seriously, I respectfully disagree with the idea that there is such a thing (on the whole, and with exceptions) as a truly objective film critic. There is not really a lot of training for the job, and even what there is does not necessarily ensure an objective review, as being objective is an ethical decision. Critics come with their own baggage–which they can mistake for objective aesthetic standards–and those that don’t, inherit the baggage of the journals they write for. Critics disagree among themselves, and they can change their minds about their critical judgments over time, as their perceptions change and mature (or degenerate). Not many mathematicians shift their opinions about what the square root of 49 is.

        Film critics can objectively comment on objectively bad technical elements of film, and should. But a film is more than sum of the technical aspects, which are just the delivery system. At some point or other, a critic has to deal with what the film is about–that is, he (or she) is going to have to make a value judgment about the content–and at that point, the critic is really in no more exalted a position than the average viewer, unless one assumes that critics just have better values. No doubt many critics make that assumption, and mistake their value judgments for objective criticism. But they’re wrong. And the more subtle a film is, and the more it challenges certain fundamental assumptions that a critic has never questioned and (more important) does not want to question, the more likely he or she is to be wrong. The criticism at that point ceases to be objective and becomes a homily.

        That said: there are objectively observable problems with the movie versions of "Prince Caspian" and "Dawn Treader," largely in the area of story construction. Such problems cripple the delivery systems of the movies, with "Caspian" being the chief offender, in my opinion. Critics who comment on these problems are in no way being "anti-Christian," any more than critics who pointed out the design flaws of the Edsel were being "anti-car."

        You know, I had a point in here somewhere, but danged if I can find it now.

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      baloney, Non, our city’s critic panned Star Wars when it first came out in 77, and he is a nationally published movie critic and college prof, boy, diid he end up eating crow. critics are just easily pedjudiced people like anyone else. look at the anti christian bias spewed at these movies, which have been as secularized as possible.

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        Again, your Majesty, I must ask: where was the "bias" five years ago? By this "logic", *that* movie should have been as widely trounced as this one is getting, but it received SUBSTANTIALLY higher praise and critical acclaim. *THAT* was a *GOOD* film. *THIS* is a *TERRIBLE* film. Do you see the pattern now? You talk about bias and lack of objectivity amongst the critics? Here’s the reasoned analysis and completely unbiased analytical perspectives represented here on ye olde Narniaweb:

        It’s winter! The weather is bad!
        It’s summer! Everyone’s away on vacation!
        Disney’s awful marketing!
        FOX’s awful marketing!
        The kids are in school!
        The anti-Christian conspiracy!
        The planets are misaligned!
        Blah blah blah blah blah

        Never, ever: "Gee, maybe this film actually stinks…"

        Seriously, I look around this site, and I keep hearing Uncle Leo from ‘Seinfeld’ complaining in the restaurant how his hamburger was undercooked, and the only logical conclusion he can draw is: "The cook must be an anti-Semite!"

        It is in the best interests of everyone who loves these books, and who wants to see the films prosper, to stop looking for excuses and crutches to lean against. Good films get good reviews. Bad films get ridiculed, and rightly so. Stop organizing this cruel movement to browbeat your friends and relatives into seeing this dreck, and mobilize an effort to send the message that we want better films. Boy, it’d sure be nice if this place could serve a more useful purpose than to act as a depository of "What went wrong?" theses.

        Even the secularization of the films, which you point out, and I agree with, to a certain extent, really works AGAINST the films with critics. Believe it or not, they are smart enough to smell "compromise" when they get a whiff of it, and, whatever their personal feelings regarding faith-based issues and principles, the majority of critics would have a more favorable view of a sincere attempt to represent these values as originally intended, as opposed to an attempt to sanitize them to appeal to a broader audience.

        Moze, no critic is perfectly impartial, but, they MUST maintain a professional distance over time, or they don’t last long. I’m not maintaining that there are no critics who have personal grudges against Christianity. Only that the vast, vast majority of them are professional enough to separate the message from how well the message is delivered, and that their opinions of the film’s merit as a film are far more legitimate than "Did you like it?" exit polls. If you cherry pick one or two specific reviews, yes, I suppose you can discern anything as "biased". But, overall, the *consensus* of the critical pool will, ultimately, represent a sufficiently objective view of the work being evaluated.

        And, of course, there are other big release films this season with no spiritual/Christian content, whatsoever, that are getting raked over the coals even more so than ‘Dawn Treader’. I just don’t see the conspiracy.

      • Moze says:

        I didn’t see any conspiracy, either—that was my point in that last paragraph. Pointing out objective flaws in any work of art is only pointing out flaws in a work of art, not an assault on the work’s ideology. And the more I believe in the ideology being sold by the work, the more I want those flaws NOT to be there.

        I haven’t hidden the fact that I have, at best, mixed feelings about the movie versions of both "Caspian" and "Dawn Treader" and feel that the story is muddled up in both, and I don’t believe that manufacturing a success for a lesser film by deliberate repeat viewing to that purpose will do anything but encourage the film makers in thinking that they have been on the right track with the past two movies. My point about the purported objectivity of critics was strictly academic, and related to the Narnia movies only by their being in the same post–but I think that that horse has been pretty thoroughly beaten to death by now.

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        Sorry, Moze, the majority of that post was not directed at you, just the one paragraph. The last paragraph was just an afterthought. The intent of that long-winded rant was merely to try and boil things down to essentials, not to beat anything to death. I like horses.

      • Moze says:

        No offense taken, NNC. I like horses, too, and used to ride often in my younger, more limber days–which may explain why "The Horse and His Boy" is one of the Chronicles I re-read most often.

        I’m curious as to why you appear to have a photo of Gerald Ford in what I am reluctant to call your avatar, as I have heard that word enough in the past months to suit me for a lifetime.

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        That is, indeed, the 38th President of the United States you see before you. I assure you, it was completely unintentional, and requires a little explanation. It’s actually an avatar I use at a hockey forum devoted to all things related to my beloved Edmonton Oilers. They use the same avatar service as Narniaweb (it’s linked to email addresses). So, when I post a comment here, he shows up. When I was a little boy, the owner of the team at the time was very close friends with President Ford, and he would take the players every year to the Fords’ retirement home in Rancho Mirage, CA for a barbeque and some golf. Over the years, the players sort of adopted the President and Mrs. Ford, and vice-versa. It’s just my little tribute to happier times, and to the team’s most famous fan.

      • Moze says:

        Glad to know that my eyesight hasn’t failed me. I got to see President Ford in person once, thirty-five years ago–a friend of mine who was a newspaper reporter invited me along when he went to cover the president’s appearance at a university. Didn’t actually meet him, but I was surprised by how big a guy he was–television smallifies everything. He always seemed a genial sort, and I’m happy to find out that he was a nice guy in real life.

      • Anhun says:

        **WARNING: The following comment may not be appropriate for all audiences as it contains gratuitous violence perpetrated against dead horses.**

        People keep talking about how the critics are thoroughly panning VDT. You argue about whether this is because the critics are anti-Christian bigots or because "the movie stinks."

        I think you’re all off-base. The critical response to VDT has, in fact, been extremely mixed. For example, Time magazine burned the film in effigy, Leonard Maltin gave it a rave review, and Ebert said it was very flawed, but overall a fun time. Having read a number of reviews, I can say that this is pretty much a representative sampling.

        On the subject of bias: I have read several reviews that show a clear anti-religious bias and that pan the movie because of it. I have also read a number of glowing reviews where the bias is just as strong in the other direction. In both cases, these critics tend to fall in the not-so-reputable category. Most of the reputable critics say that they love some aspects of the film, but not others.

        Basically, the overall consensus is that the movie has some things going for it and some things going against. The critics are pretty much split down the middle in whether or not they think the film is still worth watching in spite of it’s flaws.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        well, I don’t like horses because I find them big and scary, Plus the last time i went riding (on my birthday no less) the genius who put the saddle on didn’t tighten it enough. I had a real crabby horse and he took off like a shot. I was holding on for dear life as my saddle slowly started sliding sideways down his belly. Imagine a High Queene riding a horse sideways. Not a regal figure. (come to think of it, i probably did look pretty high-)

        Now back to the anti christian bias- TIME burned the film in effigy??!!?? my point illustrated right there! did they burn the lazy snoozefest harry potter in effigy? It’s the level of venom that comes out, over a simple movie. It is true the christian critics tend to give it a pass. I am usually in agreement with rogert ebert’s reviews. This one was, I thought, decent, and enjoyable on a superficial, secular level, but the book is a goldmine and the movie could have been so much more. it could have been deep and profound and thrilling to the heart. as it stands, its a decent popcorn movie. with some quick nods to the spiritual elements that were in a book ( the 3 second flyby by an albatross, for example- if i hadn’t read the book, then books analysing the book, i would have thought that was some seagull making a pass looking for leftover mcdonald’s french fries or something. not the mighty aslan in a traditional christian symbol responding to a heartfelt prayer.) same with the white stag in the first film. I didnt know it had a deeper symbolism, i thought they just were out hunting, and the film didnt hint at a deeper meaning, it just threw it in quick.

        I don’t think the film is drivel, or weak, it just could have EASILY been so much more.

      • Anhun says:

        1. Actually, TIME panned the Harry Potter movie as well.

        2. A number of the changes to the book (and Ionic agrees with me, so you’re getting two opinion for the price of one here) actually serve to emphasize the spiritual themes of the book, rather than taking away from them.

      • elanor says:

        It’s quite sticky.

        Non-Negotiable Comment, I do agree with a lot of what you’re saying. But the funny thing is that there ARE a lot of mixed reviews about the movie. Some people I know groan when someone mentions VDT and others grin and say they loved it. Who knew? It puzzles me. πŸ™‚

        Anhun, I know what you mean. I read a tiny article in Newsweek, I think it was, about VDT. It was horrible. However, I thought that if someone uses language like that in a professional article, do they really deserve to get anyone’s attention? Journalists and critics who don’t even use common decency and politness in their reviews and use language and foulness to critize I cannot read seriously. They obviously have a problem of some kind. Vicious literature can only drag others down. I think it’s so sad. πŸ™

  • liu-y says:

    dont know if this was posted already but…

    Narnia 3

    Domestic: $73,166,297
    + Foreign: $186,047,072
    = Narnia 3’s Worldwide: $259,213,369

    also Narnia 3 is not playing in 3D as much as the other 3D flicks so its doing very well against the 3D competition…

    with another holiday weekend and NOW no snow disasters scheduled, lets see by next week how it does. it picked up a bit of steam this week considering a large part of the country is still digging out from the last 3 weeks of snow storms….

    cheers

  • Kevin Gale says:

    I’m saying once it hits 315 million then fox might seriously consider silver chair. It cost 255 to make and market, and there is about 60 million going to theaters. point being that if the movie breaks even then there’s a serious chance for SC!

  • lilliandilhater says:

    I agree. Narniafans is boring. (no offence meant)

  • Eraeil Silverstone says:

    Do you think there’s a chance of it reaching 777 million worldwide? If not, then my bro owes me 350 bucks.

  • This is the Morning says:

    Another factor to consider is the DVD/Blu-Ray release. These movies make more money on video sales and rentals than they do in theaters. That is a factor that most studios consider when marketing. I mean most people understand that it will be released on home video withing 3 or 4 months. It amazes me how so many people think that each movie that is released should top the one before it. Im hoping we get to see all 7 books on the big screen. I saw VDT in 3D on its release day and it was one of the best 3d movies I’ve seen. There were some things I would change about it but overall it was an enjoyable movie. I thought the ending was very powerful.

    • Anhun says:

      When Lucy looked back at the painting with tears in her eyes, I cried along with her, it was so emotional.

      • This is the Morning says:

        Exactly! When Aslan said "In your world, I’m known by another name"….that part really got to me…On another random note…I went to see True Grit last night and I noticed that there were some mini posters of VDT on the counter and the guy working said "just take them all". I said thanks man, and then I asked what they did with their big posters. He said "here you go" and he handed me a tube with not 1 but 6, yes 6 VDT official movie posters (the Aslan Closeup!!!!). Made my day!!!

      • Tribunal says:

        ^^Yeah, my theater had plenty of those posters. Really cool that they were just giving them away for free. πŸ™‚

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        i got 4 posters too. the sad thing is, that they were not scarfed up, not a good sign.

  • Travis Deans says:

    VODT is a movie that gets better each time you see it. You’ve got to see it at least a couple times before you make a final judgment. I re-read the book after watching the film and I have to say that I think the adaptation was REALLY good. The book is way too slow not to be changed (and I LOVE the book). Anyway, along with all of you, I say, bring on The Silver Chair!

  • Very Important ! says:

    NARNIA FANS THIS IS IT, THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO VOTE FOR SILVER CHAIR:
    http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=narnia3.htm

    scroll down page to: Box Office Mojo Reader Polls

    https://secure.boxofficemojo.com/users/?page=badlogin-addr&returnURL=%2Fusers%2F%3Ft%3D1293773567%26p%3D.htm&p=.htm

    ALL NARNIA FANS NEED TO VOTE !!

  • Very Important ! says:

    http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=narnia3.htm
    Do you want a sequel to Dawn Treader ?

    The numbers so far
    57.2% Yes.
    23.5% No.
    19.3% I don’t care.

  • Very Important ! says:

    We have to change this !

    How many times will you see ‘The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader’ in theaters?

    53.7% No interest in seeing it in theaters.
    33.8% Once and I’m done.
    6.4% Twice would be nice.
    3.3% Four times, maybe more.
    2.0% Three times the charm.
    0.8% Walked out during the first time.
    1,854 users polled.

  • Braden Woodburn says:

    Man you see, this is why I utterly HATE math lol. I am not sure how much "The Voyage of the Dawn Treader" would need to actually reach in order for another film. But IN MY EYES, I think with a worldwide total of $259,213,369 it is a rather big wad of cash to me to be satified. I mean, at least Walden Media and FOX aren’t like Disney and would be so selfish to drop out of the series because of a short amount of budget or whatever the issue was with "Prince Caspian". I give FOX alot of MAJOR props for picking up with Walden Media after Disney pulled that nasty stunt. But gosh think, it’s be 28 days since its very first day in theatres and already made that much… add another 28 days… making a total of $518,426,738. If that isn’t good enough for continuing, then honey I don’t know what is. lol.

    • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

      *laughs*
      I love maths, and all this stuff still gives me a headache! I have NO IDEA what everyone’s talking about!

      • Anhun says:

        I have a degree in math, and even I get confused by this conversation at points. πŸ˜›

        Of course, the fact that comments seem to pop up in no particular order doesn’t help (I’m talking about the glitch on the website, not people responding to other posts).

  • freya says:

    I’m gonna ignore the nay-sayers and allow myself a moment to dream here.
    My Silver Chair dream cast:

    Eustace: Will Poulter (duh)
    Green Lady: Helena Bonham Carter
    Rilian: Orlando Bloom (because he and Ben looks kind of similar, and since Caspian is an old man in SC, he seems about the correctish age)
    Puddleglum: Johnny Depp
    Jill Pole: Suggestions? Maybe pick somebody unknown and fabulous, like they picked Georgie
    Caspian: Dunno about the old Caspian, but Ben Barnes should definitely come back and do young Caspian at the end there.

    Of course this isn’t going to happen in a million years, even when they decide to make it, but shut up, I’m dreaming here.

    • Anhun says:

      Some interesting ideas. Here’s my line-up.

      Eustace: double duh

      Green Lady: Natalie Dormer. For the sake of psychological realism, it’s important that the Green Lady come across as sweet and benevolent at first, because Eustace and Jill trust her. Natalie Dormer is equally adept at playing sweet/innocent and evil/cruel. If HBC shows up, the first thing everyone’s going to think is "Bellatrix LeStrange."

      Rilian: Orlando Bloom! That’s genius! Now, I highly doubt Walden can afford him, but since we’re just dreaming here, why not?

      Puddleglum: Rowan Atkinson. Puddleglum is a very complex character. Sometimes ridiculous, sometimes noble and courageous, I think an actor who can play both Blackadder and Mr. Bean would be perfect for the role. I’m worried that Johhny Depp would just come across as creepy.

      Jill Pole: Unknown. Jill should definitely be a fresh face.

      Caspian: Christoper Lee, with some make-up to make him look older. He’s very regal and authoritative. Of course, Ben Barnes should play the younger Caspian.

      I also think it might be interesting if they get Tim Burton to direct. SC is very dark, and he knows how to handle dark themes. Or, maybe, if they just get him to direct the Underland sequences.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        EVERY BODY:i was just KIDDING when i said johnny depp days ago!!!! ( i really want andrew adamson!)

      • freya says:

        Hm, can Johnny Depp ever be wrong for any movie? But I totally get the "Pirates" dilemma and would rather keep Orlando as Rilian, he’s perfect in both looks and age, agree that they would likely not afford him, but remember, we’re dreaming here, so that doesn’t matter. No idea who this Patrick Stewart is and Christopher Lee creeps me out like whoa, his voice sends shivers down my spine. Can I please have Gary Oldman in there somewhere instead? Thanks.

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        Hmm… these are some very interesting ideas everyone is coming up with!
        Will Poulter, I think everyone has agreed, is the only person to play Eustace. There can’t possibly be anyone else who would do nearly as well as him. Full stop.
        I admit that I would not at all be happy if Orlando Bloom was cast as Rilian. We want people to like this movie for the story, not for the inevitable fangirl motivations. No, it is my personal opinion that someone less well known and a bit more manly to play Rilian (I’m sorry, but doesn’t he look just a bit like a girl? Maybe that’s just because I’ve seen him in LotR, but still).
        Now, to Puddleglum. Rowan Atkinson would play him perfectly!!! That is an absolutely brilliant idea, Anhun! Look at him in Johnny English. Risking his life for the good of his country while at the same time being utterly hilarious. Yes, he should definitely get the part.
        For Jill, a Narniawebber (can’t remember who :s) suggested Eliza Bennett. I reckon she would be a really good Jill. From Inkheart, we saw that she could act well, yet she’s by no means a family name. It would work out really well. The only problem is that she and Will both have blone hair; they may choose a girl with darker hair for a bit of contrast.
        I have no idea who would play the Lady of the Green Kirtle, as long as it isn’t Tilda! Tilda’s a great actress and all, but I’m getting kind of tired of her appearing in every single movie. I always pictured the Green Witch having dark hair- brown or black.
        For Caspian, it might be interesting for Ben Barnes to play him made up to look a lot older. I think it could be done. If you look at the movie ‘The Forbidden Kingdom’ (great martial arts but no plot whatsoever), you’ll see they did a great job to make Jackie Chan look positively ancient. It could work.
        I personally do not think that Tim Burton would be the best director for SC. He always mades dark, quirky sort of films, and SC isn’t in my mind exactly quirky. I like AA because he generally starts movies off with a ‘bang’ (the blitz in LWW, Caspian flees in PC), and I quite like that. It gets you interested. However, he would most likely make some huge, full blown romance between Eustace and Jill, which I would not at all like as they are just friends, and kids for that matter too. Michael Apted was quite good, but not really amazing.
        Still, I suppose we should wait to see if SC is greenlit first (fingers crossed!) Sorry for this long, boring speculation, but that’s just my 2 cents on the matter of casting! Have a great New Year, everyone!

      • Anhun says:

        Ladies and gentlemen, for your consideration, Natalie Dormer:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X0N46QI9Ag&feature=player_embedded#!

        Can’t you just see here as the Green Lady?

      • freya says:

        Ooh, why didn’t I think of her? I loved "The Tudors". I’ll give you Natalie Dormer, and Rowan Atkinson. But Orlando is non-negotiable. Because you gotta love the irony, Ben Barnes is always compared to Orlando Bloom, so how cool would it be if Orlando played Caspian’s son? Besides, a couple of big names could only help the movie now that the established Pevensies are gone.
        Which brings me over to the movie they’re gonna make after SC, which should definitely be HHB, I love that book.

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        Tim Burton is, thankfully, far, far… faaaaaaar out of Walden’s price range.

      • Anhun says:

        Maybe Patrick Stewart could play old Caspian?

      • Little Miss Artemis says:

        I definitely agree when you say Jill should be a fresh face, I love Eliza Bennett and AnnaSophia Robb, but I think that some unknown, amazing girl should take the part. Some Narnia-loving, British schoolgirl without Hollywood floating around her head.

        I personally dun mind Natalie or Helena or Tilda playing LotGK (though Helena is highly unlikely and Tilda, well everyone is kinda getting tired of her, aren’t we?). What about Nicole Kidman? Though I have to admit, Nicole Kidman does not strike me as a woman who can look good in green.

        I wouldn’t mind if Johnny played Puddleglum (though that would be sooo creepy, imagine him bouncing around in a green suit with polka dots), or Andrew for that role (but can Andrew direct and act at the same time? I really, really want him back for the Silver Chair).

        I don’t mind if you cast Orlando Bloom as Rilian (but I really don’t think he’ll agree to act in Narnia) and obviously EVERYONE wants Will Poulter back as Eustace (Will is an amazing actor, I love him in School of Comedy).

        I honestly don’t care who they cast as old caspian, as long as he’s old, with a beard, not fat, and doesn’t look chinese. It would be an utter tragedy if some china guy played the old caspian. If they do that, I will send hate mail to Walden Media for 10 months.

        I really really want Harry-Gregson Williams back. His songs were so Narnian, they fit in with the movie perfectly. David Arnold’s music wasn’t bad, but they didn’t fit in. I mean, the songs were good, but just not … Narnian.

        I don’t care, I want Andrew Adamson directing this one. Sorry Michael, but no matter how experienced and creative and whatever you are, you’re just not Andrew. No matter how much you try, you can’t beat Andrew Adamson. Oh, and I don’t mind if Tim Burton co-directs (though the odds of that are astronomical).

        I’m kinda hoping that Andrew will start off with the Green Serpent killing Lilliandil. Not bloody, but its better than having some old, lame owl telling everyone how the "beloved queen lilliandil, wife of the seafaring king caspian the tenth and daughter of the star ramandu" was killed.

        By the way, did anyone notice that they didn’t show ramandu in VDT? I was slightly put off by that. It made me lose respect for Michael Apted. And no way, I don’t think Andrew will do any romance between Eustace and Jill. That would be downright creepy. Urgh.

        If Michael Apted directs SC, he’ll probably do something really stupid like take Liam Neeson off the part of Aslan. Sorry, but its true. (I still haven’t gotten over the fact that he ditched Eddie Izzard for the part of Reepicheep.)

        I am very frightened that they might get the animations wrong for Puddleglum and end up making the poor actor look like he wore a green scuba-diving suit, dived into a pond, and come out covered in algae, lilypads and seaweed. We need Puddleglum to look realistic.

        Oh, and sorry for saying this everyone, but PLEASE, andrew, if you’re reading this, DON’T do rowan atkinson as puddleglum. rowan atkinson is an amazing actor, but no way can he do puddleglum. He doesn’t LOOK right for the part of puddleglum. Sure, he does kinda have the personality of a marshwiggle, but HE’S NOT PUDDLEGLUM. Never.

    • Pepper Darcy says:

      @ Freya and Anhun (incase comments mess up):)

      *closes eyes very tightly* please pick Patrick Stewart for Puddleglum! please pick Patrick Stewart for Puddleglum! please pick Patrick Stewart for Puddleglum! please pick Patrick Stewart for Puddleglum! please pick Patrick Stewart for Puddleglum! please pick Patrick Stewart for Puddleglum! =)

      They’d have to do a really good job if they picked Johhny Depp to not ruin Puddleglum though. If they did him right, I’d be okay. But I’d personally hang Fox if they ruined Puddleglum by casting JD. The guy always gets stupid roles (Jack Sparrow *rolls eyes* was an idiot) and… did he play the mad hatter? He’s so dark-ish. He gives me the creeps. Wouldn’t Johhny Depp just make Puddleglum a joke? I think that’s the most cynical thing I’ve ever said on here πŸ™ Goodness… I’m sorry. I feel like such a jerk now… Hope I didn’t hurt anyone’s feelings by saying Johhny Depp is creepy.

      But does *no-one* else know who Patrick Stewart is?! Don’t ya think he’d do a great Puddleglum? =) Oh well, I’ll live! πŸ™‚

      • Anhun says:

        I know who Patrick Stewart is, and I’ll concede that he’s a great actor (loved him as Piccard and Scrooge), but I don’t think he would suit for Puddleglum. First of all, he’s too old. Puddleglum should be middle aged at the most, Sir Patrick is 70. Also, I think he would bring too much gravitas to the role. Puddleglum has a decidedly comical edge. Even when he’s being gloomy. In the book Jill points out that the gloom and doom is an affectation, and that he’s perfectly happy underneath.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        agreed, Pepper. I get really creeped out by the twisted roles he is attracted to -having Keith Richards -(who admits in his autobio to have sold his soul to the devil)-as your top role model can do that to you. He just seems kind of off kilter to me, his bedraggled appearance has a weird aura to it. Something is not right there, I think. (and I don’t mean these things as a criticism, but a concern) not something that is right for narnia. He has gotten increasingly dark as the years have gone by.

    • narnian elv says:

      I heartily agree with the Bloom idea but please, no Bloom\Depp together in Narnia film. Unless they want to retitle it "The Pirates of the Caribbean invade Narnia".

      • Anhun says:

        LOL, I totally forgot about that. Also, if we have Depp with Helena Bonham Carter, it would be "Alice in Narnia" or "Sweeny Todd, the demon barber of Narnia."

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        hey that was pretty funny! actually orlando looks great for rillian, cause he looks like ben barnes

      • Xande says:

        Plus, let us be realistic here… it is very unlikely that JD would agree to participate in a Narnian film with all the fuzz about the pirates of the Caribbean franchise coming back now. I don’t believe he would like to be anywhere else than in the top box office. It is very possible that ‘accidental tourist’ is listed as ‘accidental movie’ in his resume.

      • Anhun says:

        @Xande: You’re realism has no place here. The subject is our dream cast for SC. These aren’t working theories on who they might pick, just fantasy musings.

      • Xande says:

        Sorry for spoiling the fantasy, Anhun.. Happy New Year for you and all Narnian optimists..and so I hope…

      • freya says:

        Xande: It’s okay, you didn’t ruin anything, but you gotta get with the programme.
        Okay, so we skipped Bonham Carter and Depp, and replaced them with Dormer and Atkinson. This is coming along nicely.
        Still haven’t got an old Caspian, let’s just hope they won’t wait so long to make SC that Ben Barnes won’t need make-up to look old. Hehehe, just kidding, I’m guessing two years from now.
        Now my brain is working on the HHB cast…
        This is so much more fun than the stupid money discussion realism extravaganca.

    • Tauriel says:

      Good Lord, please no Orlando Bloom. He can’t act. Plus I think Rilian should be younger.

      • Anhun says:

        Rilian should be somewhere in his 30s. Remember, he is a youngish adult when the green witch captures him. The events of Silver Chair happen 10 years later. Orlando Bloom is 34, which fits the bill quite nicely, I think.

      • Anhun says:

        Though, the thought just occurred to me that astromen might not age as quickly as normal humans.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        isn’t rillian 25-28? certainly not above 30?

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        Rilian is 31 when Eustace, Jill and Puddleglum free him.

    • freya says:

      How about that guy that directed the "Elizabeth" movies, Shekhar Kapur? I think that would be grand.

      • Anhun says:

        [Anhun wrinkles her nose] I think he would be too heavy-handed.

      • Anhun says:

        I’d like to see what Peter Jackson would do with it.

      • freya says:

        Oooh, yes. Peter Jackson would be perfect. I think he might be a bit busy with "The Hobbit", and so is Orlando if the rumors are true, but there’s no reason why they couldn’t do SC at the same time. Honestly, one should expect that these people could multitask.

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      I think you can’t cast anyone who has been in LOTR< POTC< HP <TWILIGHT cause it would break the suspension of disbelief. and no one TOO famous- like i”d totally be reminded of tom cruise if nicole kidman was the green lady throughout the whole thing (hold the couch, please).

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      i think michael richards froom seinfeld would have made a cool puddleglum, that is before he killed off his career in that racist tirade

    • Annabeth says:

      O.M.G. just the other day i was thinking to myself and i was like "I wonder if this is just because i watched LoTR and have a HUGE Orlando Bloom crush :D, but i think Orlando Bloom would make a great Rillian. I’ll have to consult some NarniaWebbers"
      I’m glad to know that I’m not the only one that thought that πŸ™‚
      anywho, the more u think about it, Orlando Bloom is a bit old for Rillian’s part πŸ™

      • freya says:

        According to some knowledgeable people here, Rilian was 31 when he was rescued, and Bloom is 34. So no, he’s definitely not too old. Remember that Caspian is an old, dying man in SC, it wouldn’t make sense if his son was a teenager.

  • Hwin says:

    Well well well, could there possibly be anymore to add to this discussion??? I see I am a little late at joining in =P Anything I say is probably a repeat of someone, but I think that this movie still have a chance. It may be doing good, but it just many not be good enough for SC.

    As for word-of-mouth, it really works, people! SO many of my friends have gone to see it, and ALL of them have liked it so far, and posted a status on Facebook about how much they enjoyed it. Sure, it’s not a million dollars, but it may add up, and it makes me happy to know that almost all my friends really enjoyed it. Even though a lot of them have never read the books.

    No offense, but if there are any of you out there that would like to reply with something negative about this comment, please do not, I think you have made your point(s) quite clear =P

  • Hwin says:

    Well, could there possibly be anything to add to this discussion? I see I am a little bit late =P

    All I’m going to say is that from what I have read, is that the movie is doing quite well, but it may not be good enough for a sequel. I suppose we shall see. . .

    Just have to say that a lot of my friends have gone to see it, and have all posted on Facebook how much they enjoyed the movie! There’s like a ‘Narnia bug’ going around, and it makes me quite happy! The money they pay is important, of course, but I value even more the fact that they all enjoyed it and are encouraging others to see it as well. πŸ™‚

  • Well, I voted... says:

    Hurry up and vote !

  • Well, I voted... says:

    Well the moderator doesn’t want you guys to know this I guess, but you can VOTE FOR A NARNIA SEQUEL on :
    http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=narnia3.htm

    "Do you want a sequel to Dawn Treader ?

    The numbers so far
    57.2% Yes.
    23.5% No.
    19.3% I don’t care."

    WE can easily change this !
    I posted a link to the member’s page ( free, and quick) but the moderator erased all this.
    We can make a difference, here, people !

  • Pepper Darcy says:

    wow.. I missed a lot I can see! Differing opinions by far! We’ll just have to wait and see what Fox says about it. After all, they’re the ones to determine if another gets made… not us (i.e. descision wise, not ‘go see it’ wise)

    I think we keep comparing it to things like LotR, Twilight and HP (I don’t go for the last two, I just know they’re popular)… but gaging it vs. those ‘big’ things isn’t what makes a movie ‘profitable’. Of course Narnia’s not going to do as good as LotR (I wish, but I don’t think it will), so we have to look at it standing ‘alone’ from nothing but other Narnia movies.

    And compared to LWW and PC, DT is doing pretty good. It’s certainly not a flop. It’s stable in the box office. But then again, I’m not an expert like Fox is on what is profitable, and what’s not. It’s really up to *them* as to whether or not we get SC. I hope they give us that.

    So! Let’s hope! Wish I could see it again!

  • Pepper Darcy says:

    notice the comment’s aren’t working… my long comment ended up being before High Queene’s and my Pippin comment directed at Comedian ended up not on his…, this will end up in a really weird place too! πŸ™‚

    • Well, I voted... says:

      Well the moderator doesn’t want you guys to know this I guess, but you can VOTE FOR A NARNIA SEQUEL on :
      http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=narnia3.htm

      "Do you want a sequel to Dawn Treader ?

      The numbers so far
      57.2% Yes.
      23.5% No.
      19.3% I don’t care."

      WE can easily change this !
      I posted a link to the member’s page ( free, and quick) but the moderator erased all this.
      We can make a difference, here, people !

      • Pepper Darcy says:

        I *went* to vote, but you had to be a member. I’m not setting up an account that I’m not going to use again! πŸ™‚ But it’s not Narniaweb’s fault it’s not up here πŸ™‚ Narniaweb *rocks*! They do a good job already and put up with us commenters… =) But I did *try* πŸ™‚

    • Well, I voted... says:

      Pepper, I know what you mean . The first impression I got was that it cost like 80 $ to register, but it doesn’t ! They just explain it badly.
      It took literaly 30 seconds to do it, for free, at this link :
      https://secure.boxofficemojo.com/users/?page=signup&p=.htm
      I did not even have to check my e-mail. I voted instantly right after. You know producers are going to be checking these numbers, and the amount of people on this site could totally turn them around !

      • Xande says:

        I’ve voted too. Interesting thing about polls. Check this out. In one of the polls

        How many times will you see ‘The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader’ in theaters?
        53.6% No interest in seeing it in theaters.
        33.6% Once and I’m done.
        6.5% Twice would be nice.
        3.5% Four times, maybe more.
        2.2% Three times the charm.
        0.7% Walked out during the first time.
        1,900 users polled.

        If you think about it just as is, that would mean that out of 1900 people approx. 1018 people would not watch VOTD in the cinema and the rest 882 (minus the ones that walked out of if) would watch.

        However, if one considers "viewing", which is what really matters, one needs to consider that part of the people who would watch VODT says they would watch more than one time.

        So, even though 1018 would not go to the cinema, there would still be approx. 1277 "viewings".

        Keep up the optimism!

        take care Narnian fans, and Happy New Year to you all!

  • jill pole says:

    how many do we need to get the film SC?
    I don’t understand al the talking about that money.. I only want the next film!!!!!!
    because VDT was amazing!

    • Anhun says:

      Nobody knows how much money they need. That’s why this subject is generating so much gossip and speculation (and verbal duels to the death). Most, but not all, people agree that if VDT grosses as much as Caspian, we get Silver Chair. The problem is, we don’t know if it will.

      So far, VDT’s total is no where near Caspian at this point, however, it’s daily income is now significantly higher (more than twice as much). VDT has made more in it’s 3rd week than Caspian did in it’s 3rd week. It is set to make more than it did in it’s own 2nd week as well, which is unusual, even for a holiday film. The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe did the same thing, but I think we can all agree that there was nothing "usual" about LWW.

  • Anhun says:

    Drat. VDT is now in 6th place, below Tangled, in the box office rankings.

  • Pepper Darcy says:

    I think we’re enough to give anyone a headache. I mean, we could be a little kinder about the way we present what we want to say. Right?

    Christ is our rolemodle. He spoke truth in love. If we want to say something, we can say, just remember love πŸ™‚ Everyone is going to have opinions, and obviously not everyone’s going to agree… but you’re showing God’s love if you deal with it lovingly and kindly. I don’t know that arguing and hurting people’s feelings is worth another movie. Not everyone’s being rude… but, you know, does it really matter how so and so thinks about the movie’s box office numbers vs. someone else’s take on it?

    I’m not perfect either– I’m not kind or loving. I stick my foot in my mouth often enough. I’m a dirty rotten sinner. All I’m saying is, when you’re saying stuff, remember that God knows every word you’re saying. He’ll hold you acocuntable for it. Besides I’m sure Narniaweb doesn’t enjoy the messes that spill out here sometimes πŸ˜‰ They gave us a wonderful gift of a family friendly site, let’s give them the gift of being kind and loving πŸ˜€

    And I’m sorry to anyone and everyone that I’ve ever offended on this site! I’m sorry if I’ve ever made you mad or hurt your feelings! I hope you forgive me. You guys feel like real fellow Narnians πŸ™‚ I consider you people: ‘Narnians’ the same as the Narnia heroes πŸ™‚ Happy New Year’s Everyone!! πŸ™‚

    • Pepper Darcy says:

      and I’m not saying ‘don’t discuss things’ I’m just saying ‘discuss it in love’ πŸ™‚

    • narnian21 says:

      Amen!!! Thanks for the reminder! and have a happy new year!

    • Not Of This World says:

      Yes! I totally agree.

    • Not Of This World says:

      Will the Voyage of the Dawn Treader stay out until around January 15? It’s my B-day and I want to see it in 3D. That would be my first 3D movie.

    • Fireflower says:

      Pepper Darcy, I think your the best!! It’s good to have a fellow Christian Narnian on this website!

    • Narniawarrior says:

      Thank You Pepper Darcy for the words of adminishment and a helpful reminder of who we are in Christ…they are very powerful…and with a heart like yours…you would never offend me nor hurt my feelings. You, dear one, have spoken much truth and to me words of encouragement also…May the Lord bless you and keep you in this new year because of your love and wholesomeness…have a wonderful New Year… Remember who is always in control…NW

    • a nanny mouse says:

      If this were facebook, I would like this. πŸ™‚

    • SavedByGrace says:

      Thanks for the reminder, Pepper! We Christians are by no means perfect, and sadly, I often prove this fact. But, thank goodness for a Savior who forgives and offers us new grace every day!

    • samuel says:

      Thank you Pepper, I wish that this was posted in every forum on the internet, something you don’t see on the internet, even in "Christian areas" It also goes along with what my pastor’s been preaching on.

    • Ariel_of_Narnia says:

      Thanks for posting, Pepper Darcy! We all need to hear this one time or another. May the Lord bless you in 2011!

  • Dr JC says:

    The present world wide total is 259 million. With about 60% going to FOX/Walden that means they are getting close to their production budget of 150. But there is still the massive advertising budget to cover. There is still some hope for the future of Narnia.

    • Not Of This World says:

      I think the advertizing is in the budget. I’ve have a few people tell me that advertizing is usually in the budget.

    • Anhun says:

      I don’t know if you’ve been following the other threads related to this article (I don’t blame you if you haven’t), but this issue has come up before. Please tell us where you’re getting your information about the marketing budget. Some people say 50 mil, some say 100. Nobody has proffered a credible source.

  • commonlogic says:

    Already at close to 77 million domestically and 263 million total worldwide. For perspective: PC cost 70 million more than VDT, so financially/domestically VDT is already doing better and with probably another 90 days to run, though obviously not at the same pace. It could pull in another 40 million domestically. Also for comparison, Golden Compass cost 25 million more to produce, with obviously more spent of marketing, and its domestic sales totalled only 70 million. VDT is leaving that number in the rear view mirror and if word of mouth continues moving in the direction it has, it could even double it. If the domestic/worldwide ratios hold up, it could get close to 400 million and thus do much better than PC which, again, cost 70 million more to produce. Also, remember that marketing costs are spread among several interests. I’ve researched this for several days and I’ve seen no credible source for the 100 million marketing cost number thrown around. I’ve seen one indicating 50 million, though I can’t vouch for it either. I live in a large metropolitan area with 2 fairly large cities and I have seen surprisingly very little promotion and I assume it reflects the promotion across the U.S. (Big mistake in my opinion) Unless they are pouring huge boat loads of money into overseas marketing, I would consider the 50 million figure to be closer to reality.

    • Kristine says:

      I barely saw any advertising where I live either in The US. At least for pc I saw billboards and posters on buses. I am still hoping for the best, even though it looks like vdt has slipped behind yogi and tangled the last couple of days.

  • commonlogic says:

    Already at close to 77 million domestically and 263 million total worldwide. For perspective: PC cost 70 million more than VDT, so financially/domestically VDT is already doing better and with probably another 90 days to run, though obviously not at the same pace. It could pull in another 40 million domestically. Also for comparison, Golden Compass cost 25 million more to produce, with obviously more spent of marketing, and its domestic sales totalled only 70 million. VDT is leaving that number in the rear view mirror and if word of mouth continues moving in the direction it has, it could even double it. If the domestic/worldwide ratios hold up, it could get close to 400 million and thus do much better than PC which, again, cost 70 million more to produce. Also, remember that marketing costs are spread among several interests. I’ve researched this for several days and I’ve seen no credible source for the 100 million marketing cost number thrown around. I’ve seen one indicating 50 million, though I can’t vouch for it either. I live in a large metropolitan area with 2 fairly large cities and I have seen surprisingly very little promotion and I assume it reflects the promotion across the U.S. (Big mistake in my opinion) Unless they are pouring huge boat loads of money into overseas marketing, I would consider the 50 million figure to be closer to reality.

    • Anhun says:

      I think we all need to fess up to the fact that we don’t have a clue how much they spent on marketing. We don’t know how much different marketing ploys cost, we don’t know what they’ve been doing around the world, and we can’t find a reliable source to tell us.

  • SILVER CHAIR(HOPE) says:

    GUYS!!
    Domestic: $76,641,000
    + Foreign: $186,047,072
    = Worldwide: $262,688,072
    looking good. wihthout a doubt am sure silver chair will be made!!

  • silver chair says:

    Domestic: $76,641,000
    Foreign: $186,047,072
    = Worldwide: $262,688,072
    looking good right?? am sure silver chair will be made πŸ™‚

    • nic says:

      Where i saw it recently in the city i live in here in NZ ( My fifith time & seen with diff people) the theater was most full of any sessions i been to and it was 3d also. It was a tuesday midday martinee session, and it was half to 2/3’s full. To sit where we wanted we ended up sitting pretty near the frontrow & front of every1 else cause all higher spaces taken & crowded. I have seen quite a few people posting similar things all round the world around recently, so seems like a definite general trend that’s going on:)
      Will be interesting in numbers when i get to go see it again -because it was still great 5th time for me in 3d – hopefully this week sometime & also interesting if it’s still totally great movie watching!

      • burhan says:

        same here, i did tell my friends to go and watch it. Hopefully be the end of this week. It should be 300 mill worldwide, god willing :).

  • Aileen says:

    I watched Narnia today for the fifth time! I thought I would boycott all Disney movies since after they dropped Narnia, and instead of spending my money to any of their movies,I spent it by watching Narnia several times. I might watch it again to make it 7!!! And no, I did not watch Harry Potter or Twilight as my own personal support to Christian films like Narnia. I really hope I’d see Silver Chair soon. πŸ™‚ BTW, A Peaceful New Year to everyone! πŸ™‚

    • Pevensie15 says:

      I agree, and stick with that. I haven’t seen one Harry Potter, Twilight, or movies likewise (and never will). But I’ve seen VDT three times now.

      • [ForNarniaAndForAslan] says:

        I’m with you on the boycott of the Twilight and Harry Potter series. I refuse to ever watch them. Call me a closed-minded person, that’s okay… but I just don’t want to risk anything… and by that, I mean there are SO many Christian friends of mine that freak out over Edward or Jacob (neither of whom are good examples to follow) and I just want to make sure I never even tempt myself to like any part of them, because they are NO GOOD, no matter how "hot" they are. What’s good about witchcraft, vampires and werewolves? Yes, some of that stuff is on Narnia too– but at least it’s properly portrayed as BAD.

      • Ariel_of_Narnia says:

        Took the words right out of my mouth, [ForNarniaAndForAslan].

    • Not Of This World says:

      Do you think the movie will stay long enough untill the 15th of Jan?

      • Anhun says:

        I’m sorry hon, I forgot to respond to your earlier post. Obviously, we don’t know for sure, but I would be shocked if it was out of theatres by Jan 15. Caspian, Golden Compass, and Eragon all lasted longer than that, and none of them had the legs that VDT has. Also, Percy Jackson was around for 20 weeks, and Where the Wild things are for 17, neither of them were as successful as VDT.

        That being said, VDT has been losing screens, so it might not be available at your closest theatre. Your odds are better if you are in or near a major city.

        Also, the 3D in VDT is nothing to write home about. I, for my part, would be more excited about seeing the movie again, than seeing it in 3D.

      • Not Of This World says:

        I’ve heard that the 3D qualitiy was not very good ( i wouldn’t know much about 3D movies). But i’ve never seen a 3d movie, and i want vdt to be the first one (I can’t do a smile face on a psp. if i could, i would)

      • Anhun says:

        I understand, just don’t expect much. VDT is the only 3D movie I’ve ever seen (I saw Inception in 2D), and I can tell you, it added absolutely nothing to the experience.

      • Not Of This World says:

        Okay. Thanks! Do you think the Silver Chair will be in 3D? (I’m guessing they would be better at makeing 3D movies in a couple years πŸ™‚ )

  • silver chair says:

    80 million domestic! as of 31 decemeber. dont worry guys. silver chair will deffo be made. am sure it,l be 120 domestic overall. and around 400 million worldwide πŸ™‚

  • HUGEFANOFNARNIA19867 says:

    I SAW THE MOVIE FOR THE 5 TIME!!!!!!!!

  • Louloudi the Centaur says:

    Let’s see. I got back about two hours ago from my second showing of the movie, this time in 2D and in my town’s State Theater, showing the movie for a week because there is only one screen. Out of about 200 seats, 30-40 were filled. I think it is definite the holidays are helping. Oh, and I was reading some posts on the forum saying Fox isn’t doing any more advertising. That’s not true. I’ve been seeing a TV spot not online yet on ABC Family. If anyone gets it, post it online. For help, it has Lucy and Gael talking in it.

  • burhan says:

    Domestic: $87,141,000
    + Foreign: $186,047,072
    = Worldwide: $273,188,072
    as of today! and also to mention the foreign hasnt been updated since the 26th of decemeber, so am roughly guessing it,l be 300+ by tomorrow πŸ™‚

    • Xande says:

      Yes, I saw that too. However, they haven’t said how much it made yesterday. In fact, the last daily earnings post was for Friday, and it closed the day with $80,091,000. Is it possible that it made $7,050,000 yesterday alone? If so, that would be fantastic…191% gain compared to last Saturday’s box office number.

      • Anhun says:

        No, the 7 mil is Saturday + Sunday.

      • Xande says:

        Oh yes, I noticed that later. But it’s very strange…how can they post Sunday (even if it estimate) on Sunday daytime, i.e before all the sessions are even over?

    • [ForNarniaAndForAslan] says:

      I know right? My brother checks the box office website a dozen times a day!! =D

  • Alambil and Tarvis says:

    Okay. This sounds much better. Of course, I really hope it still stays open for a while, so it gets a lot of domestic $$$

    I’m in Ireland now, so I can’t contribute to the U.S. earnings anymore, but if I find a theater in Cork that has it, I’m going to try and go πŸ™‚ (for the fifth time, mind you)

    • skandargirl_95 says:

      you too?here in my country(Philippines) they just HAD to cancel every single foreign movie and replace it with different movies just because of the Metro Manila Film Festival…it sucks not getting the cahnce to see it again UNTIL the DVD gets out…which is, like, in April right?

  • Senhor V. says:

    We can save NΓ‘rnia!.

    310 milions are required for save NΓ‘rnia.
    273.188.072

    We need 26 million,please,go to the theater!

    /Sorry,i can speek English =(

    • burhan says:

      you saying we need only 310 million worldwide?? so silver chair can be made??

      • Anhun says:

        It’s in the bag if it is. πŸ™‚ But I’m not sure that 310 gross is really the standard that they’re looking for. I would imagine they’re more interested in their cut of the gross. But I’m hardly an authority.

      • Xande says:

        I think it may even be possible to reach PC’s mark. Seriously.

      • [ForNarniaAndForAslan] says:

        My brother says they may go by the total percentage of the VDT profit compared to what percent they made off of PC, rather than the actual number of $$. Because the budget was bigger for PC, we are totally likely to make a bigger profit percentage-wise. Does that make sense? =D

      • Xande says:

        the total domestic gross of PC was $141,621,490 for a total production cost, minus advertising (but let us not go there again) of $225mil — that is 63%, and it was considered a flop. The question is: what percentage of the domestic gross to total cost would be considered a profit? So far, VDT’s domestic gross is 56% of its reported production budget.

      • freya says:

        The movie and production companies cannot expect the same numbers as they could only 2-3 years ago. The world has gone through a recession since then, and still is. Millions of people have lost their jobs and homes. I do not think Disney would write PC off as a flop today like they did a couple of years ago when they decided to pull out of the Narnia franchise. Because it really wasn’t a flop, and any movie studio who earn what PC pulled in would thank their blessings today, because the movie industry is struggling.

  • Clodsley Mole says:

    Speaking of Narniafans…. they have an update on figures, saying it’s nearing $300M worldwide.
    http://www.narniafans.com/archives/11150

  • Anhun says:

    It’s been interesting to see how Box Office Mojo has changed it’s frame of reference for VDT. When VDT first came out, they were saying it was just another December fantasy flop, like Golden Compass and Eragon. A week ago, they noticed that it was pulling ahead of those two movies. In their most recent article, they’ve stopped comparing it to GC and Eragon altogether, and pointed out how VDT is starting to close it’s gap with Caspian. It’s hardly a litmus test, but maybe if they’re thinking along those lines, Fox might be too?

    • coracle says:

      That’s encouraging! Hope it continues to do well enough to be kept in the cinemas for a few more weeks! It’s summer holidays in the southern hemisphere, and the cinema is a good place to go on days that are too hot, or on a cooler day (rain predicted here tomorrow).

  • Senhor V. says:

    36 millions to the next Movie.

    Please,go to the theather.

    + 36 million = 310 millions of dolΓ‘r’s. 155 Budget x2

  • blueRain says:

    Hmm…the numbers seem to be good. Hope the movie continues to thrive. I went to see it with my family over Christmas for the second time.

  • sachin says:

    OFFICAL BUDGET OF VODT IS 140 Million US $

  • ben says:

    i recommend everyone to read the holy quran.

    • burhan says:

      hmm, i,l check it out. good to have an open mind πŸ™‚

      • Ben says:

        It is similar to the bible but its the new book of god. it has proof inside it, but still people still deny it. also Islam is the fasted growing religion, all i want to say is let the book speak for itself. most of us converted to islam. it makes me so close to god :).

    • KingoftheWood says:

      Hey Ben, thanks for the recommendation! I’ll have to check it out sometime. God Bless you.

      • Believe in Aslan says:

        Ben-
        I’m not sure where you got the information that the Quran is the new word of God, similar to the Holy Bible, but if you have read the Holy Bible you would know that it is the infallible word of God and that nothing can be added to it or taken away from it. Therefore, if you were to believe that the Quran is the new word of God you have in essence contradicted your own belief. Also, the Quran is in direct contradiction with the work of C.S. Lewis and the entire Narnia series. I’m glad you are on this website exploring the great world of Narnia but I believe your comments about the Quran would be better suited on another website.

    • Bookwyrm says:

      Tl;DR

  • Cross Trainer says:

    $273,188,07 worldwide and rising! I can’t wait to get back to college and go see VDT as much as I can in my free time. Will they make "The Silver Chair"? #allthingsthroughChrist

  • Embrace says:

    News just in:
    273 million worldwide! At place number 274 this week! ItΒ΄s sailing further up and further in and further win! πŸ˜‰

    • Embrace says:

      I think with these great final results for 2010 (Even though TVOTDT didnΒ΄t strike GOLD or turn in to it like the shell) we will see THE SILVER get its fair CHAIR! πŸ˜‰

  • sgk474 says:

    Current worldwide Box Office: $297.2 million