#93 The Un-dragoning! (Book Commentary)
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, part 3
“So I scratched away for the third time and got off a third skin, just like the two others, and stepped out of it. But as soon as I looked at myself in the water I knew it had been no good.
“Then the lion said – but I don’t know if it spoke – “You will have to let me undress you.”
Chapters discussed:
7b. How the Adventure Ended
RT 24:24
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Great podcast i look forward to the next one! further up and further in.
Very good and interesting commentary! On the whole was it a dream or real thing… I liked what was said last about not knowing exactly what it did look like from a third perspective. Maybe it ties into the "I am telling you your story, not hers. I tell no one any story but his own." point from THAHB, somewhat. Each person is different and Eustace had his own unique "skins" to overcome and to be cleansed of. No two people experience "un-dragoning" the exact same but they all start and end with the same results. Edmund had recently been "un-draggoned" himself and got to see (literally) the same process undergone by Eustace. He really understood how the weight of the skin felt to come off and had more time to really understand that it wasn't a dream at all.
I really was looking forward to this one!
I'm going to listen to it later along with the previous podcast, further up and further in!
I have never thought about the fact that the Undragoning felt like a dream. It was really interesting that you guys brought that up. I always thought that the other dragon was Lord Octesian.
Great podcast, guys! I love the undragoning. It's one of my favourite, if not my favourite moment in The Chronicles of Narnia. I'm one of those people who's always (even as a child) seen the transformation as being akin to baptism but also akin to being refined by the Refiner's fire. I love the fact that Lewis describes the transformation as being a painful experience. He doesn't sugar-coat reality to please people, he writes life as it is. I also love the fact that the scene is so mysterious we don't even know if it's a dream or reality. I don't know what to think. Maybe it really happened but in a dream-like manner (don't ask me what that means). I love the fact that Lewis mentions Eustace relapsed at times following his encounter with Aslan. It's so important to present the reality of being renewed by our Creator. Yes, it can happen over night, but most of the time, the process is a gradual dying to oneself and then learning to live instead for the King. As for Lord Octesian, I've never doubted that he was the other dragon.
Yes, it really was a good podcast, clear, and a great discussion. I'm glad I was able to hear it this time. Because of this podcast, I noticed one thing about the book vs the movie that hadn't occurred to me beforehand. In the podcast book discussion the point was made that Eustace's transformation to a dragon was whilst he was asleep and was really painless, whilst the undragoning was difficult and painful by contrast. And when it occurred, it was only the beginning of his personal transformation as a human.
Whereas in the movie, Eustace's dragoning was in the too hard basket, and the undragoning almost at the end of the movie, so we don't see much of Eustace's personal transformation at all.
Excellent podcast. Was the un-dragoning real or a dream? It does not matter about the details. Lewis was trying to teach some truths here. The lesson is what is important. This book is full of great lessons. Just enjoy a great story and learn. My favorite part of the book is the end.
Always great to listen to the podcast! Keep 'er up 😀
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