‘Dawn Treader’ Grosses $10.5m Over New Years Weekend

Posted January 3, 2011 7:01 pm by Glumpuddle

Happy 2011! The Voyage of the Dawn Treader grossed an estimated $10.5m over the holiday weekend. Box Office Mojo writes:

[Gulliver’s Travels] remained in eighth place and couldn’t top its 20th Century Fox stable mate The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, which drew $10.3 million in its fourth weekend. With $86.9 million in 24 days, Voyage lost more ground to [Wardrobe] but it gained some on [Caspian].

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The film has now grossed $86.9m domestically. Its worldwide total is up to $297.1m.

Still no word on another Narnia film being green-lit, but keep checking back!

168 Comments For This Story

  • RumbbleBuffinTheStrong says:

    Hey, that is good news!

    • Duffleglum says:

      And better news yet: the total is now at $302 million!

      Pray for a final count near $400 million!
      They considered this to be the sign of a thriving franchise.

      I really am amazed we are up to this total now!

  • Aslan's Meadow says:

    Wow! It’s doing pretty good (mostley overseas).
    Praying that Silver Chair gets green-lit…checking everyday.

    • Greg says:

      Me too…

    • Fairytalelady says:

      Me three….

    • Swordebrithil12 says:

      Me ONE… πŸ˜€ sorry it’s my favorite book overall and I HAVE to see it in film form.

      • Anhun says:

        I thought the character development in Silver Chair was some of the best in the series. Jill, Eustace, and Puddleglum practically come alive on the page. It’s one of the darkest books in the series, but, at the same time has more humour. Also the metaphor is striking.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        please elaborate on the metaphors/spiritual merits of this book, i have a hard time getting into it-

      • Anhun says:

        Well, you know how the White Witch is a metaphor for coldness and hatred of others. The Lady of the Green Kirtle is a metaphor for darkness and hatred of self. While the white witch turns her victims to ice, reflecting how some people are said to have "hearts of ice," the effect that the Lady of the Green Kirtle has on her victims is strikingly similar to the effects of depression. In some, she puts them into a deathlike sleep. In others, she causes them to shuffle quietly through life, not knowing or caring why they do what they do. When you don’t love yourself as God loves you, life can seem pointless.

        This is also reflected in the climax. In LWW, the climax is an epic battle. The fight against intolerance is often a large scale social battle against society’s injustices.
        In SC, the climax is a small-scale fight taking place in a locked chamber. Also, throughout the book, the characters struggle with their own fears and inadequacies, particularly Jill, who is arguably the central character. She suffers from claustrophobia, which makes some parts of their quest extremely difficult for her. She keeps "muffing the signs." All the same, Aslan loves her.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        thanks, good insights- anyone else?

    • Swordebrithil12 says:

      The Silver Chair MUST come out. I’m not as worried about them not doing all seven than only doing three. SC is my absolute favorite book in this world and nothing can change that. If it doesn’t come out I’ll just have to become a director and make it happen. Don’t worry I’d stick to the books.

    • JackBaillot says:

      Me as well!!!!! I haunt the website now for news. SC is one of my favorites!!!

    • QueenLucytheValient says:

      Me five

    • reepicheep's_fangirl says:

      um, i know this sounds REALLY stupid, but what does it mean when somethings "green-lit"? for some reason, when i hear that, i think of the white witch in the green mist tempting edmund. sorry :S i know that sounds really bad:)

    • Omac the centaur says:

      Me six!! πŸ™‚

  • Not Of This World says:

    Good news! We’re still making money! I read on Yahoo VDT made 5th place in the Box Office. I didn’t see what place it had on Box Office Mojo.

    • Tribunal says:

      It can only have one place lol. Doesn’t matter who reports it. And yes it was in 5th place just under Yogi Bear which surprisingly had a strong weekend. (It rose 56% from the weekend before)

      • Not Of This World says:

        I didn’t know if the yahoo one was official, but now that I think about it, it was a silly coment LOL πŸ™‚ I didn’t think that one through πŸ™‚

      • Anhun says:

        I think Yogi is getting the munchkin vote. People want a movie where they can take the little kids. Tangled went up as well, briefly rising about VDT’s daily, probably for the same reason. I wouldn’t be surprised if Yogi drops dramatically over the next week, since it’s getting thoroughly panned by audiences and critics alike.

        VDT will definitely drop, it remains to be seen if it falls off the grid immediately, or ebbs away over several weeks. Today’s box office should give us some indication.

      • Tribunal says:

        All movies will likely drop next weekend. Traditionally this weekend is good for movies since many are on vacation from school/jobs.

      • Anhun says:

        @Tribunal: I know. The question is, how much of a drop? If VDT falls by 80%, I don’t think that bodes well for the future of the franchise. Where as if it eases 30%, there’s definitely hope. Somewhere in between is probably more likely, but who knows?

      • Tribunal says:

        80% is a bit much I think. It’s rare to see movies drop by that much on any weekend.

        For comparison, LWW dropped 39% in its 5th weekend so I think a similar drop for VDT is in order.

      • Anhun says:

        hmm . . . might even drop less than that. VDT seems to be a lot more stable than LWW. Didn’t drop as much it’s 2nd and 3rd weekends, didn’t rise as much it’s 4th.

      • freya says:

        You forget that it’s being released in China January 6th, huge market that.

      • freya says:

        Sorry, I meant January 7th. I had it mixed with the release in Argentina, lots of people there too though πŸ™‚

      • Not Of This World says:

        Yes, I belive it will fall to. I’m guessing 45%. I don’t know where in the box office they will place, but I think it will be like this weak. However, that being said, I think when they pull the movie out of theatres, they will have $400 million and we shall have a reprot that Fox has green-lit Narnia.

        For Narnia! and For Aslan!

      • Anhun says:

        @freya: I can’t speak for Tribunal, but I was specifically talking about American earnings. The studios get a bigger cut of American ticket sales, so that income carries more weight.

  • Tribunal says:

    Few things to note:

    VDT rose 10% from last week as most of the other films in the top 10. Mainly due to schools being out.

    At this time, LWW had grossed $217 million in North America.

    And Prince Caspian grossed $125 million.

    Overseas the film dropped by about 50% from the weekend before.

    I expect another $30 million from NA and probably $50 million from overseas, putting it under the $400 million mark. If it can pass that mark then Fox and Walden will probably consider another Narnia film. Remember, the VDT had a $150 million production budget and about $100 million for its marketing budget.

    • Duffleglum says:

      Hmm, I think hitting $400 million will be hard.

      They claimed to have resurrected the franchise, even with such a poor opening weekend, so surely they’ll be considering SC with much less than $400 million collected from VDT

    • Alexander of Narnia says:

      I honestly want to know what is wrong with tribunal. He/She is systematically trying to get everyone down on this movie. Any news is bad news to tribunal. Listen, the movie is a good movie, that’s just plain and simple. C.S. Lewis wrote pure fantasy for children, and overt supposition(if not complete allegory) of the story of Christ Jesus. The same is true of the movies. Now, while people(for the most part) for some strange reason didn’t like Prince Caspian (though it follows the book very closely), it still sold $419 million riding the coattails of LWW. Note: I loved Prince Caspian. Voyage of the Dawn Treader on its opening weekend was riding on the coattails of the dislike for PC, which is the reason it made what it made on its first weekend. However, the popularity of the movie keeps going up, coming up 10% on its 4th weekend(by the way, LWW came up on its 5th weekend 30%, if you’re going talk negative, at least get your facts straight).

      Now, this movie still has 1month+ left in the theaters in North America, and has yet to be released in some foreign countries. Meaning this movie could still make very possibly $350-$400, plus what other people have mentioned about profit coming from DVD sales+PayPerView+TVspots. I mean, what you don’t realize is that when Christians find out that a movie was made for them, the support is seen eventually; which is what is happening with this movie.

      Another thing you’re not accounting is that Walden Media wants, repeat, WANTS to make movies like this(which Micheal Flaherty mentioned himself in an interview posted in this website, again, if you’re going to be negative, at least know all the facts). Walden media doesn’t need a lot of motivation to make family oriented, or value driven, or Christian films. So my projection based on these things is that VoDT breaks even with production budget and marketing, and makes profit on DVDs and TV; which is more than enough for the series to be continued.

      So to tribunal I say, be easy homie, ok? In love I say, be easy. If this series is to die with VoDT, let us mourn when and if they(Walden/Fox) say so; until then, let us hope. Moreover, for those who are confused, the fact that its made $300 Million IS good news.

      Live on Narnia…
      Live on Narnians…

      • Anhun says:

        What version of the book Prince Caspian did you read? :O
        The movie deviated dramatically from the book, which is a good thing plot-wise, because the book was dull and flimsy, reading more like an epilogue to VDT rather than an interesting book in it’s own right. In the 80s version, they actually filmed it that way.

      • Alexander of Narnia says:

        Anhun I read the same version CS Lewis wrote. For a movie adaptions changes always have to be made, regardless it still contained all the basic elements of the plot, and a lot of the specific elements. Also, all the basic thematic elements were there as well, so it did follow closely. What some fans want is a word-for-word, or rather word-for-image adaptation, and a lot of the times thats not feasible.

      • Tribunal says:

        Alexander, where exactly was I negative in the post you quoted? The first four points I made are facts, is it so bad to compare VDT to the other Narnia films? I never said that I thought the film was bad and you calling it a good film is an opinion, not "just plain and simple." It does after all have a 50% on Rotten Tomatoes. Compared to 76% for LWW and 67% for PC.

        And I love how you tell me to get my facts straight as you fail to do just that. LWW had a 30% bump in its 4th weekend, not 5th as you state. I actually already mentioned this in a post made a few hours ago.

        And lastly I never said Walden didn’t want to continue the franchise. Why wouldn’t they? It’s their highest grossing franchise, but if it is not making them a decent profit, why continue? Don’t forget, Fox is in this too.

      • Anhun says:

        @Alexander and Tribunal: I think there’s room on this website for different opinions and perspectives. I personally loved the movie VDT and am hoping for a continuation of the franchise. Just the same, I’ve still been heckled for being a Negative Nelly just because I make comments that I consider to be common sense.

      • Alexander of Narnia says:

        Tribunal you’re right, I misread some of the information. However, I notice you not have correct figures, or at the very least have information that doesn’t take everything into account. For example, the reason you can’t compare these films is because of so many factors:

        1. LWW is the Crucifixion story, that’s pretty hard to beat.

        2. PC was riding the popularity of LWW, and so made the money that it made.

        3. VoDT on week 1 was riding the popularity (or disdain) of PC. People had given up on Narnia. Then Narnia comes back with part 3, and the people that thought it was dead, noticed it was alive again; which is why its made near $300 Million. Come on man! PC was erroneously placed in the summer, and was chocked by Iron Man, Indy: the Crystal Skull, Sex and the City, Kung Fu Panda, Wall-e, Hancock, The Dark Knight! I mean come on, PC had a monumental marketing error, and VoDT’s opening weekend suffered for it. How can you not take this into account? I think you and the rest of you negative folk ("no we’re just being honest, those are just facts") need to realize:

        1. This movie has made $300 Million, in spite of the marketing mistakes of PC.

        2. If/when this movie makes $350 million, the series would have made 1.5billion dollars, making it around 17th or 16th on the highest selling film series of all time. If all 7 are made, the series could be worth 3Billion dollars and be in the top 10 for highest selling film series of all time.

        Those two facts aren’t something to just glance over. And might I add, who cares what Rotten Tomatoes says, they have distorted figures all the time(the Passion of the Christ has 50% on Rotten Tomatoes as well, so please). If you want the continuation of this series, then I challenge you to do something about it, rather than sit there talking ’bout, "no, i dont agree, LWW made alot more than this…"

        Live on Narnia…
        Live on Narnians…

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        he is an underground agent of doom, planted by disney…..

      • Tribunal says:

        …Right. And you’re a close minded fangirl planted by Fox…

        See, I can make stupid comments too. High five!

      • Tribunal says:

        Alexander, exactly where in my post are these incorrect figures? As for the rest of your post, I won’t even bother responding as it is just opinion and baseless what ifs.

        Although, I do agree with you on Prince Caspian’s release date. Disney went overboard releasing it on the date they did. Though it didn’t really have to go up against The Dark Knight, Wall E, or Kung Fu Panda as those released later in the summer.

      • Alexander of Narnia says:

        I don’t know why I’m spending my time on this conversation….
        C.S. Lewis wanted to glorify Christ with all that he did. This series was no exception. I don’t why I’m sitting here bickering with you. May God bless you Tribunal, and may you truly know Jesus. I honestly wish you the best, and I apologize if I’ve offended you.

        As for the movie, its already done well, I don’t know what us Narnia fans are waiting for. I’d love to have all 7 made, but a 3-movie DVD box set is just fine. Just another tool I’ll use to bring people closer to Christ. Because in the end, that’s what these movies are: evangelistic tools. And if the Gospel and Christian walk can’t be depicted and portrayed through Narnia movies, then please believe God will use some other medium; ’cause you can’t stop Him.

        Live on Narnia…
        Live on Narnians…
        Live on Aslan………….>

      • Tribunal says:

        I stand by my original post and only decided to respond because you pretty much accused me of lying. But this conversation has lingered far too long. I agree to end it.

        I wish you the best as well.

      • hello says:

        Aye! For example,the voyage didn’t land yet . So we can consider that I’m in China,and we have 1.3 billion men ,at least 10 million men will see a movie on the holiday ,we can suppose that 500 thousand among them see the Voyage ,what a such great sum of funds!
        I think it may reach 0.5 billion!!!!

        Long Live ASLAN!

      • Moose4188 says:

        I have to disagree with you on your opinion of tribunal. He has stated his facts with accuracy and his assessment of the industry is spot on. That said I loved the film and have seen it multiple times. The film is by industry standards doing poorly at the box office in relation to expectation and cost. This does not mean they will not make another one it just means it is still an uphill battle. Because of Narnia’s prestige it is compared to such franchises as the Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, all of which grossed over 200 million domestically and 800 million worldwide. I believe VDT will make over 400 million worldwide and I believe another installment would increase the boxoffice intake.

    • Lewis Tolkien says:

      "Overseas the film dropped by about 50% from the weekend before." Aslan’s Country is reporting that the movie dropped less than 8% overseas from the weekend before (the figure is apparently what Fox released to the press, so it is unlikely to be wrong). In other words the film is still doing well overseas and should most likely still have legs through January.

    • jmw86 says:

      I personally think that the film is doing great. It’s at $300 million and holding very strong, and it still has some pretty big markets in China and Japan where it has yet to debut. But even so, I feel very privileged to have had 3 of the Narnian books to make it to the silver screen and each one has been faithful to the heart and intentions of its creator. This may sound selfish but I personally don’t care if everybody sees these films. These films are made for us… the Narnians. And if we enjoy them that should be all that matters. I’m proud to have made it thus far and hope that the series continues, but if it doesn’t I’m alright. We’ve been given 3 of the best movies ever made and we should all feel very honored. Thank you all for being such loyal fans with me. Further up and further in!

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      @tribunal: I was only joking, crabcake-

      • samuel says:

        Ahh I see you haven’t learned the #1 unspoken rule on the internet. "It is impossible to write a comment so sarcastic that people won’t take you seriously…" πŸ˜‰ all in all I see that this conversation has been a classic case realist vs optimist, and honestly I don’t think either side is too far from the realm of possibility. In the end Fox has a lot of factors to decide, possible benefit from having a seven movie completed set being one of them, people later down the line buying one dvd, will probably want to buy the second and so forth, but I think we just need to wait and see and influence with our wallets.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        he called my comment stupid – a pox on his house! and may his ears be filled with camel fleas!

      • comedian says:

        Not just camel fleas!! his ears are filled with rotten eggs and mountains of earwax, dragon bogies and overdue feces, not to mention dead bugs and bits of fluff from decapitated pillows!!

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        and may his first born child be a doody-head!! ha-HAH!

      • Tribunal says:

        Keep making idiots out of yourselves, please.

      • Not Of This World says:

        Tribunal, therir joking. No need to be a wet blaket crabcake.

      • Anhun says:

        Be kind to Tribunal. She has a severe sense-of-humour deficiency. It’s a crippling affliction, one that warrants your compassion, not your ridicule. πŸ˜›

    • Lucylove says:

      Next movie should be out in the summer it’s not doing very well during the Christmas Season.

      • Anhun says:

        But the series fared even worse when it was released in the summer.

      • Lewis Tolkien says:

        No way. The Christmas holidays is the only reason this film did not bomb in the U.S. Prince Caspian had a good opening weekend but then disappeared rapidly because of all the summer competition. Because there evidently wasn’t much interest (outside of the fan sites) in Dawn Treader prior to its release, even in the summer its opening weekend would have been weak. The difference is, in the summer the movie would have disappeared soon after opening. Because it was released in December, the holidays kept the movie in a truly large number of theaters for a long time, allowing the film to build up good word-of-mouth and for the news about it to get out. Thus, the overall domestic box office has been growing slowly, but fairly impressively.

        Fox and Walden would be insane not to release the rest of the films before Christmas too, especially The Silver Chair, which has so much snow in it that it can be (somewhat) marketed as a Christmas movie. They just need to keep up with what they did this time in regard to Harry Potter; they need to make sure there is a three week gap between The Silver Chair and The Hobbit (getting out some publicity that plays up the friendship between Lewis and Tolkien might not be a bad idea either–they may even be able to get a bit of a boost from The Hobbit’s buzz that way).

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        good ideas, lewis. their first mistake was making PC a fanboy movie, which necessitated it being moved to the summer action slot. thye could havehad dec. sown up keeping the movies gentle and family freindly.

      • Kristine says:

        I have to agree with the others. Moving pc to the summer was what contributed to its horrible box office. It only had one weekend to itself, and then came the onslaught of summer blockbusters (Indy, etc.). Vdt is still alive because of the holiday release date. If only they had kept narnia as a traditional Christmas release date In the mind of the public maybe narnia would not be struggling right now.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        it DEFINITELY WOULD NOT HAVE struggled! this is the biggest muff-job of a beloved franchise i have ever seen. i am hoping, however, it was god’s plan to get it out of the hands of disney.

      • Anhun says:

        It would not have suffered? Okay, this is a movie based on a boring, relatively unpopular book. While the overarching plot changes were an improvement, the movie suffers on it’s own merits, not comparing it to the book series or the LWW movie.

        Some of the editing decisions were just stupid. Because of the excitement over the LWW battle scene (which was unique and brilliantly envisioned) Adamson believed that "everyone wants to get to the battle scene." So he cut out some endearing character-development moments, like the picking of the Marshalls, and we ended up with a bloated, overdone battle scene that bored quickly.

        Also, they darkened the movie unnecessarily, and targeted it more to teens. For me personally, it didn’t hinder my enjoyment, but Narnia made it’s name on childlike wonder and bright family-friendly magic. This teen action movie slant doubtless turned off some of the franchise’s fan base.

        All of these factors contributed to PC’s "suffering." Not just the release date.

    • JD says:

      Whatever Disney made with the first two Narnia films doesn’t matter. It’s what N3 made and if it was profitable for FOX. FOX doesn’t have to worry about recouping PC’s cost. I think it’s safe to say that VDT will make around 400 million give or take 20 million.
      There have only been around 130 films that made 400 million worldwide. So the fact that the Narnia films have done that three times is no small feat and the opportunity cost is more than worth it. They’ll lose little money on the downside and make a lot on the upside.
      And remember the 3D conversion of the film added to its cost, so TSC and others can be made for less than 150 million.
      There is little negative spin you can say about VDT if it makes around 400 million. The franchise is still strong and with the right casting could even be stronger. Whatever bad taste that was caused by PC has been corrected and VDT proved that the audience is still there and no evidence that it will change in the future.
      VDT made 1.1 million on Monday, looks like it’ll end up making 115 millon plus domesically.

      • Jon Turner says:

        $1.1 million on Monday? Is that good or bad?

      • Anhun says:

        It dropped less than LWW did (percentage-wise) the first day after the holidays. If that trend continues, it should make about 6.5 million next weekend. Basically, I would say it’s not great, but it’s not horrible either. I’d wager it’ll pass the 100 million mark some time in it’s 5th week.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        if they were smart they would tell us how much they need to make domestically then we can go out and get it done-

    • Bookwyrm says:

      I thought everyone knew that facts to a fandom are like holy water to a vampire. "It burns!"

  • Dr Walrus says:

    I don’t know if this is good news or not :/
    I’m still waiting for an article called "Silver Chair Green-lit!" to show up on here πŸ˜€

    • Tribunal says:

      Well it’s always a good thing when a film rises when it has been out for almost a month. Back in 2005, LWW gained 30% its 4th weekend grossing $25 million(which is actually more than VDT’s opening weekend)

  • narnia fan 7 says:

    I hope Silver Chair is Green-lit.

    • Not Of This World says:

      I do too!

    • Lucylove says:

      I want Magician’s Nephew but any book will do except for The Last Battle just because they might change A LOT from the book

      • Anhun says:

        Yeah, realistically, there’s no way you can successfully market a "family friendly" movie in which everyone dies at the end.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        sure you can, pevensies die painlessly int he blink of an eye,they didin’t even know what hit them. and kids of today have seen 50 thousand murders on tv by age 12, so its not like kids of today are sheltered. plus they get to heaven at the end. all kids have played murder videogames today- its not a shock. not to mention all the murders in fairytales-

      • Anhun says:

        Yes, but it isn’t generally child protagonists getting killed. One of the reasons why murder-video games appeal to some people is that the victim is dehumanized. I remember my brother used to play Wolfenstein. The Pevensie are characters that children care about.

      • samuel says:

        I don’t see why, the deaths are sudden, the book itself doesn’t really give you any time to mourn for them, and you see them later in the New Narnia, I can see them changing the story in some ways, they could bank again on reminding everyone of Lucy’s ‘look-of-wonder’ at the 1st entrance into narnia by showing it in a similare way, they’re riding on the train the screen goes black and then you hear the crash, you could simply cut to Eustice and Jill in narnia, and then later cut back to show the other characters in the dark perhaps the characters could walk out of the darkness to the wall of water we see in VOTD, the other characters could then allow lucy to be the first one to pass through the wall of water into the new Narnia, a simple added scene which would focus on the result not the death of the characters. Perhaps they could meet Reepicheep first (similar to the book) and have Aslan there explain that the end of Narnia has come, and that "We must go to help those true narnians who are left." I don’t think this is too much of a change from the book and could be inserted at a crucial point to help build the intensity

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        i guareentee they will make it a wondrous transition, as opposed to a bloody crisis. it’s all in the way you film it.

      • Anhun says:

        Not to mention, if Adamson directs, we’ll probably get a make-out scene with Jill and Tirian. πŸ˜€
        . . . jk . . . CALM DOWN!

      • Not Of This World says:

        LOL Anhun! Funny!

    • Lucia says:

      Yeah,let’s wait for the greenlit of SC!!!
      It will be wonderfuL.

    • Cyclops says:

      Well, I emailed Mark Johnson as well as Fox yesterday. This is what I sent:

      "I had a question that Narnia fans have been dying to know the answer to. Considering that the Dawn Treader has been performing moderately well worldwide, and is just under $300 million (with Japan and China yet to open), has any move been taken to start the production of the Silver Chair or Magician’s Nephew movies?"

      from Mark Johnson:

      "The status of another Narnia film is up in the air at the moment."

      from Fox Publicist:

      "Sorry we just don’t know at this point…"

      By these statements, we do know that they just haven’t reached a decision yet. I’d say we’ll get a statement in February, about the time that the Dawn Treader film comes out in Japan.

  • Kevin Gale says:

    I don’t know if I want to see a "green" light maybe orange?

  • Not Of This World says:

    What is the Box office numbers of the other movies? I mean, what’s number 1, number 2, number 3 . . .

    • Tribunal says:

      1. Little Fockers $25 million [down 16%]
      2. True Grit $24 million [down 1%]
      3. Tron Legacy $18 million [down 2%]
      4. Yogi Bear $12 million [up 56%]
      5. Dawn Treader $10 million [up 8%]

  • Todd says:

    I’m happy that Dawn Treader is about to cross the 300 million mark worldwide. I too think that if it can sail its way past 400 million globally Fox will be interested in continuing on with this franchise. This can happen; how the film performs in the month ahead will be crucial. And if SC is made, why not trim down that budget some more? I’m confident that a quality Narnia can be made for no more than 100 million. They’ll just have to be creative! πŸ˜‰

    • Anhun says:

      I was thinking along the same lines. Much of Silver Chair would require limited or no effects. Of course it depends if they make Puddleglum a make-up enhanced character or a CG-enhanced character.

    • Duffleglum says:

      The problem is that they MUST advertise SC better than VDT.

      We need announcements at christian concerts, billboards galore, and narnia collectables in happy meals to truly explode the movie.
      PC did that, but it simply wasn’t a good narnia movie to excel like LWW.

      My motto: make a GOOD movie, & THEN advertise it tons

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        Yeah, that was the major, major problem with VDT. It was a great movie but their marketing left a whole heap to be desired. What about merchandise? I’ve seen Justin Beiber dolls in toy stores, and I honestly think that kids deserve somethig better to play with!
        And once they make a good movie, they need to reflect that in the trailer. The trailers for VDT almost turned me off D:<
        Most people prefer Fox to Disney, I think I do too, but at least with Disney we had good marketing. Fox really needs to get their game together if they want SC to be a hit (if it is greenlit, which I am really hoping for!)

      • Kristine says:

        Yes, I could not agree more. The marketing at least in my area was pretty much nonexistent-no billboards, no posters, etc. I think the worst was the fact that vdt was not even included In any holiday movie previews. I remember looking thru entertainment weekly expecting at least a picture but there was nothing at all. We also had no tv appearances on talk shows etc with georgie or skandar, no La or NY premiere with pictures,etc. It is amazing it has held up as much as it has. I think it is a testament to the good word of mouth that it has not completely fallen off the grid.

      • revxstreme says:

        I did read that the majority of the marketing money spent by Fox was invested in overseas markets which would account for the little marketing done here in he U.S. However, that also means that Fox would be pleased with solid overseas numbers and acceptable domestic numbers seeing as they spent more there than here. Also, VDT is the highest grossing film for Fox in 2010 and it isn’t even finished yet so my euducated guess would be that Fox is already looking at another film but don’t want to confirm it until VDT’s run is finished. Considering that Japan’s premiere is in February, I wouldn’t expect an announcement until March at the earliest.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        my motto- "don’t disembowl a christian book, and lay off the ADHD meds while youre editing it"-

      • Bob says:

        Pandering to the religious fanbase won’t make Silver Chair a hit. You might as well just put on a local theater play with that attitude. Hate to burst your bubble but Christians didn’t get VDT where it is now. The take is mostly from overseas and that is where it’s future success lies as well. More marketing is necessary, but to a wider audience, not a narrower demographic. Besides, if you really want to get a message across as is the case with these books films, it’s the untouched you need to touch. Ie, the unenlightened and wider audience. There’s no point preaching to the already converted.

      • Anhun says:

        @Bob: I have 2 completely different points to make in response, so I’m going to say them in 2 posts. First of all, what’s wrong with preaching to the converted? Don’t Christian preachers do that every week? Calling yourself "Christian" doesn’t instantaneously turn you into a saint. And you can say the same about other religions. Calling yourself "Muslim" doesn’t turn you into Muhammad, etc., etc. Helping the faithful explore and think about their faith in different ways is an important part of ministry in a number of world religions (yes, I know, not all of them). Also, I doubt that the Chronicles of Narnia would be that effective of an evangelical tool, if that’s what you’re suggesting. Although the moral lessons are pretty easy to spot, you can say the same about much of secular children’s media. The religious symbolism is much more heavily veiled.

      • Anhun says:

        Okay, on to my second point: I agree with what you’re saying about not pandering to the religious fan base if you want commercial success. It’s clear, in the way that they marketed VDT in America, that they grossly overestimated the role of the Christian audience in LWW’s popularity here.

        IMO, LWW got off to a strong start because so many people have fond memories of reading LWW and/or watching the cartoon. It had strong legs because it was an excellent movie, and it got great word of mouth.

        Prince Caspian did not open as strongly for 3 reasons: The book isn’t nearly as popular. In the intervening 2+ years, some of the movie-only fans had forgotten how much they loved LWW. And the May opening. It still had a very healthy opening, all things considered, due to those fans of LWW who hadn’t forgotten.

        However, the legs quickly fell out from under it. First of all, PC wasn’t nearly as good of a movie as LWW. It could have benefited from smarter editing, among other things. Second of all, LWW fans were turned off by the fact that it didn’t "feel" like Narnia. It was the kids from LWW running around in a pointless rip-off of Lord of the Rings. Basically, by the time PC had run it’s course the Narnia film franchise had only a small fraction of it’s fans left.

        Walden, and Fox if they stay on, need to get wise to this. They need to market these films as though they are stand-alone. Convey a sense of the plot and the characters. The "Narnia" brand name won’t get them anywhere. Neither will the Christian audience.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        does anyone here remember the gross for a little self financed movie called the passion of the christ? the one that pandered to the christians? yeah, go check out mel’s bank account with the billions of dollars. that’s the potential when you DO pander to the christian audience with a film that IS christian. they WILL MOBILIZE. JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH LWW. you give them some watered down poo like PC and they have no reason to mobilize. This was a highly spiritual and blatantly spiritual christian book. this was the WRONG book to secularize. This could have been the wizard of oz of christian literature if they kept the obvious christian edge and mobilized the christain fanbase. the NEXT book, SC is the one they could direct towards secular audences and fanboys and fantasy fans.

      • Anhun says:

        The Chronicles of Narnia is not the Passion of the Christ. If it was, why would so many non-Christians get excited about it?

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        because, as cs lewis said himself, he wanted it to be read as a straight story first, then the subtext could surface but was not the main thrust. he wanted an engrossing story tat could be enjoyed by anyone.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        im just saying if your property has a built in fanbase army who thinks it may help save souls so are highly motivated to help, why not utilize them. im taking about the passio’ns marketing plan, not the subject matter.

    • Tribunal says:

      Agreed 100% Todd. This really goes to any Hollywood blockbuster, but studios really need to get their act together with these huge budgets they spend on movies. There have been plenty of films with great visual effects made with very low budgets.

      Example? Look at District 9, it cost $30 million to make and it grossed $115 million domestically[$210 miilion WW]. There is no reason as to why The Silver Chair can’t be made for $100 million.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        ABSOLUTELY. and get a decent scriptwriter, that’s the biggest battle.

      • Anhun says:

        Tell me about it. They’ve actually set up a thread in the forum where you can vote for which line in VDT was the cheesiest. Way too many nominees. It seemed like they barely included any of Lewis’ dialogue, which is a shame.

    • Samuel the Magnificent says:

      We got quite a bit of advertising where I live which is in Fort Worth, Texas. I saw at least two billboards with Aslan on them. And there were tons of Narnia TV commercials.

    • reepicheep's_fangirl says:

      i miss when LWW came out in 2005. there seemed to be a lot of advertising for that one and everyone was so excited, but probably because it was the first Narnia movie AND because it was everyone’s favorite book. πŸ™
      i will admit, LWW IS pretty awsome, it’s very artisticly done.

  • Queen Susan the Gentle says:

    That is good! But I don’t think any of the movie will ever top LWW. It was the first and most-advertised and well known. But I hope this tops PC!

    • Alexander of Narnia says:

      Its understandable Susan, LWW was the story of the crucifixion, so thats hard to top. However, there are still some stories that have great appeal like Last Battle (the end of the world, people love the end-times stuff) and The Magician’s Nephew (the creation of the world). With those two at least, I expect big box office outcomes.

      Though like the rest of you I’m hoping and praying for The Silver Chair!

      Live on Narnia…
      Live on Narnians…

      • Gem says:

        I agree with you. I don’t expect any of the movies except for LB to top LWW. I want SC to do just as well, but I’m not sure it will. MN should be huge, maybe do as well as LWW, because of, as you said, the creation of Narnia, but also because the digital effects they will have to do to pull it off will be huge and absolutely amazing. And LB, being the last book and the end of Narnia, will be huge cause it’s the series closer and the end of the Narnian world and the beginning of something so much bigger. Besides, it’s much darker than any of the others, and I can see it having a PG-13 rating so they can get across how scary and dark it is that Narnia is ending. That will probably bring in more viewers and fans, because families and younger kids will still see it cause it’s Narnia, but knowing it’s more intense then the previous movies will attract more older kids and young adults. I really hope LB does exceed LWW success. Wouldn’t that be the perfect ending of the Narnia movies to have the last film be the ultimate finale, everything else climaxing up to it, and nothing else being as spectacular as it.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        plus. it REALLY concerns the fate of narnia- since they love to push that angle

  • wolfloversk says:

    Long Live Narnia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • elton says:

    this is greate news

  • Starlily says:

    Should I dare to get my hopes up? I so hate to be disappointed, but I’ll cross my fingers anyway. Long live the Narnia movie franchise! (Even with its flaws)

  • Eustace_used_to_be says:

    I guess we can still have ‘hope’ that the franchise continue. Compared to Eragon or Golden Compass, Narnia has better and more solid fans. Another opportunity if they continue is the fact that Potter series ends this year and Narnia could be also the next consolation for fantasy fans. I am just hoping that Fox is not as greedy as Disney. I think Narnia movies has long term sales from DVDs…

    IMHO, I am bit fed up myself, that many ‘children’ movies are pretty shallow – only emphasizing on (sometimes dirty) humor and uneducative compared to Narnia or Bridge of Terebithia. Many reviewers are also reviewing Narnia with ‘prejudice’ that it is a Christian movie while if Narnia series are assessed properly, I bet they would give better reviews. People should remember also that Lewis wrote this for children! Surely the movie is suited for children – not like Deathly Hallows which is more for teenagers! How many secular reviews you read that already ‘bashing’ the movie for its Christian values from first or second paragraph?

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      I read tons that are practically dripping with venom. These people have a bug up their butts with their issues and they take it out on the christian movies.lots of times they spend half of the review spewing about christianity and barely even address the movie. and how many critics laughed in glee that potter trounced narnia? as if they have anything to do with each other. why not compare potter to Tangled, for instance? pure predjudice.

      • Eustace_used_to_be says:

        Exactly my sentiment. It is very bias to read the reviews. I posted my thoughts here: http://hshandoyo.net/wordpress/?p=1194

      • reepicheep's_fangirl says:

        i think HP and Narnia are compared sometimes because both authors Lewis and Rowling came from the UK and both are very popular fantasy novels for kids. i don’t think it’s fair for Narnia to be put down because it’s more Christian than a ton of kids books, it makes me kind of sad when people do that. it really sucks sometimes, but, you know, you can’t give up trying to make things better.

  • DanielmyBrother says:

    Almost 300 million. It still playing here. Then later it will go to the cheap seats. Then there’s DVD sales. Critics said this would be a flop. I was very discouraged. But it’s doing good despite that. I would have liked it to do better, but what’s done is done. I want to see Silver Chair and the rest of the series.

  • narnian resident says:

    this is exactly what they predicted, that it wouldnt do as good as LWW but better than PC. after seeing i knew that would be the case. im happy, this is good news.

  • Pepper Darcy says:

    hey, it’s not doing so bad! I’m very hopeful *now* for Narnia 4!! πŸ™‚ Hope so! Hope so! Hope so!!

  • glumPuddle says:

    I think another Narnia film will be made. The budget might be slashed again, but they’ll make another film.

    • Caleb says:

      I Agree! PC was a flop, and they still made another one!

      • Bob says:

        There’s a difference between not being as successful as its predecessor and being a flop. It still made almost half a billion, not taking into account ongoing DVD sales.

      • Ted C says:

        Ummm…PC was not a flop.

      • Anhun says:

        Yes, but it cost 400 million to make and market.

      • Gem says:

        No, PC was not a flop. I was disappointed in the movie, but still, it did better than a lot of other films of that budget have done. It just didn’t live up to the success of LWW, which everyone thought it would.

      • Anhun says:

        @Gem: What movies? Were they considered successful? Did they have sequels?

        Also, in an article in the L.A. Times, representatives at Walden admitted that, even with DVD sales, they never made back their money on Prince Caspian. Lack of profit = flop.

      • Not Of This World says:

        PC wasn’t the most sucessfull movie, but I wouldn’t consider it a flop. It wasn’t sucessful, yet not unsucessfull. It was average. (I’m talking about the money grose, not the picture. I loved the movie)

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        Please, please stop calling ‘Prince Caspian’ "a flop". This implies that the film did not perform well, when, in fact, it performed *spectacularly*, given that it is based on such a relatively uneventful book that only a fraction of the audience from the previous film even knew existed. Not to mention the major league competition it faced that summer.

        No. You see, ‘Prince Caspian’ cost far, far, faaaaaaar too much money. End of story.

        That does NOT, necessarily, make it anything even close to "a flop". From the *production* end, yes, it was a financial catastrophe fueled by greed and woefully unrealistic expectations. Two studios (well, at least one mouse-eared one) decided they could equate seven Narnia books with seven ‘Wardrobe’s. That is *not* reality, in any sense. ‘Prince Caspian’ was never, *ever* going to make ‘Wardrobe’ money, and to *increase* its budget by 25% was *crazy*.

        Expectations need to be adjusted accordingly, money needs to be spent wisely, and the films MUST be better than this. There’s your recipe for success.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        see my comment further down……

      • Anhun says:

        @Non-negotiable: I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on the definition of the word "flop."

      • Hwin says:

        I agree with Non-Negotiable Comment- either people have different definitions of the word ‘flop’ or some people need to look it up πŸ˜‰

      • Not Of This World says:

        Definition of the word "flop" from Dictionary.com:

        –verb (used without object)
        1. to fall or plump down suddenly, esp. with noise; drop or turn with a sudden bump or thud (sometimes fol. by down ): The puppy flopped down on the couch.
        2. to change suddenly, as from one side or party to another (often fol. by over ).
        3. to be a complete failure; fail: The play flopped dismally.
        4. Informal . to sleep or be lodged: to flop at a friend’s house.
        5. to swing loosely; bounce; flap: His long hair flops in his eyes when he runs.
        –verb (used with object)
        6. to drop with a sudden bump or thud: He flopped his books on a chair.
        7. to dispose (oneself) in a heavily negligent manner: to flop oneself in a chair.
        8. to invert (the negative of a photograph) so that the right and left sides are transposed.
        –noun
        9. an act of flopping.
        10. the sound of flopping; a thud.
        11. a failure: The new comedy was a flop.
        12. Informal . a place to sleep; temporary lodging: The mission offered a flop and a free breakfast.

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        In order for it to have been "a flop", it must have underperformed. It did *not*. It met all *reasonable* expectations. It simply cost too much money. But, spending another billion on it wouldn’t have increased its business one bit, just like having a sane budget, allocated wisely, wouldn’t have *decreased* its business, but *would* have made it financially palatable. The film found its audience. It was supported. It was *never* going to make the same kind of money as the first film, because *only* the first film had the "event" factor that its name recognition granted it. The other films will never be in that elite class of marketability. Spectacular adaptations *might* bring good returns in the future, but none of the other six books have the inherent, built-in "buzz" attached to them to warrant allocating a $225 million production budget. The financial mismanagement of ‘Caspian’ was clearly indicative of borderline delusional expectations that have, erroneously, created an altered perception of what the film "should" have grossed.

        I do not say this because I have a warm and fuzzy feeling when I think of the second film. I thought it was a very good adaptation of a thin, little-appealing, less than spectacular book. Some boneheaded moments aside, they did a good job of making a passably entertaining film from a very inflexible narrative. It was ok-ish to pretty good. No, I say it because this community needs to let go of the idea that any film with ‘Narnia’ stamped on it will have the same appeal as ‘The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe". It’s the exact same disastrous line of thought that led Walden/Disney to collaborate on that obscene budget, and it’s that same incorrect perception that led Disney to blame "a clearly declining trend" (of two points!) for their ineptitude and subsequent abandonment.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        right on, non- very elequently stated-

      • Gem says:

        No, Anhun, lack of profit does not equal a flop. Just because they didn’t earn back their millions of dollars doesn’t mean the movie was a trainwreck.

    • Not Of This World says:

      glumPuddle, I got a great book about Narnia for Christmas that I thought you would like. It is about Narnia (of course πŸ™‚ ) and it shows Christ in Narnia in a way I have never thought of. It is totally awesome. And it’s completely about the books. Not the movies. It is just fantastic. It is called "Believing in Narnia" by Natalie Gillespie.

    • reepicheep's_fangirl says:

      yeah, i kind of agree. i really don’t want the budget to get cut. maybe….i don’t know, if they got a different film company and a more popular director…. as long as Will Poultler is still Eustace, I’ll be happy πŸ™‚

  • Princess Lucy says:

    It looks fairly good…I have a good feeling we will see the next narnia film..hopefully…300M is not that bad..and theres at least a couple more weeks to go…and btw how many countries has it not shown in besides China and Japan…it should increase more…and how can VDT not do that well as it is the most favourite book in the series..if its like this with this book..what about the rest…I hope I’m wrong πŸ™

  • yeswelovenarnia says:

    I saw this the other day on IMDB and was so happy!! I really hope they do make more movies!! It is still within the top 5 in the box office and it is 4th week! I think that is really good!

  • tuonela says:

    I’m really glad that it’s doing so well! Hopefully that will continue.

    But everybody who has been talking about the bad publicity — you are so right! My local theater had no posters for it. And they couldn’t even tell me when it would be playing there three days before it opened. How could they expect that anybody would go and see it, unless they were very determined? (I was ;-D)

    • Not Of This World says:

      Just the opposite in my theatre. Narnia posters everywhere. There was also this huge Narnia cardboard thing that made you look like you were on the boat positioned front and center.

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      you may have had an anti christian theatre manager who wanted it to flop=

      • reepicheep's_fangirl says:

        yeah, that would really stink, though. i mean, even though Narnia is very Christian, i think everyone can get something out of it ( the themes of redemption, forgiveness, loyalty etc.)

    • reepicheep's_fangirl says:

      really? you should go to Regal, the place was,like, a Narniac’s dream on the premier weekend. posters were EVERYWHERE and they were doing all this promotional stuff. i got an Aslan window cling πŸ˜€

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        i’m jealous- i only got posters

      • reepicheep's_fangirl says:

        you think you’re jealous NOW, wait till you hear the prizes i won for Regal’s ‘Create Your Own Fantasy Island’ contest! (partly because i was the only one that entered πŸ™‚ )
        – three movie posters (two were mini, and one is the full size poster)
        -Narnia silly bands (there’s even a reepicheep!!!!)
        – an notebook with Aslan’s picture (the same as the one on the soundtrack)
        – a t-shirt with the same aslan pic that says ‘The Chronicles of Narnia The Voyage of the Dawn Treader’ on the sleeve
        -and, almost as cool as the t-shirt, more movie tickets!!!!! guess what i saw???
        πŸ˜‰

  • Hwin says:

    There is still a fairly good chance of the series continuing, you can’t argue with that πŸ˜€ Obviously it could be better, but it could be WAY worse! In my opinion, this is ‘quite good’. . .

  • Tom says:

    I think it’ll make over 100 mil in the states and 300 mil worldwide, not to mention DVD sales. This will be enough for a Silver Chair, though they will probably slash the budget to 100 or 120 million. But you can make a great Fantasy movie on that budget.
    Some things we should insist on as the Narnia community: The studio needs to be sure to get a good screenplay written by someone who loves Narnia . . . and listen to Douglas Gresham! Dismiss his concerns and you dismiss the concerns of the Narnia community.

  • Kelly says:

    It’s good news and it’s been fairly well-advertised at the cinema I went to see it at and that’s the main cinema near to where I live. πŸ™‚ I’m glad that it’s getting in more money than PC- it could mean that SC is made. However, I don’t think it will top LWW because that’s the most popular book that everyone knows.

  • Kelly says:

    I forgot to mention that VDT still hasn’t come out in Venezuela & Japan, so it could still make a lot more money.

  • Davey says:

    Voyage of the Dawn Treader is just about to beat Prince Caspian in the UK (a big market). Its at Β£11.2m and Prince Caspian finished with Β£11.6 so it will easily top it by next week.

  • Queen Su says:

    On the edge of 300 million…great! πŸ™‚

  • Kiyoha says:

    I’ve seen it 4 times, once in 3D. Too bad the only cinema in my town that shows 3D films has stopped showing The Dawn Treader. I’m definitely going to see it again and again, but in 2D πŸ™‚

    It’s such a pity that they did hardly any advertising here in Estonia. Seriously, I haven’t seen any posters in the streets or commercials on TV. Even the cinemas don’t seem to care. Yet it’s still rather popular, the hall is always quite crowded. I guess it’s because there’s no school right now (winter holidays for the win), so teenagers and kids have lots of time, and last week they showed Prince Caspian on TV, which might’ve made some people want to see the sequel. Still, I think it would be a lot better if they had advertised it more. I’ve told all my friends that they should go see it lol πŸ˜€

  • Bob says:

    I am happy for Voyage. It could have been better. The direction certainly wasn’t as tight here, and the score was certainly nowhere near as good, but I did like it’s more intimate style of storytelling. It felt more like a tv episode than a movie, but I put that down to the book. Needless to say, my favourite three books are done so I don’t really care if Silver Chair is made. But if that gets us closer to HHB, the last book I have any interest in, I’ll certainly be hoping the series continues.

  • WhiteRider says:

    VDT is almost at $300 million worldwide and will probably make it to 115 million domestically adding an extra 25 million approximately. Narnia still opens in two huge markets overseas with China and Japan. PC made 12.5 million in China and 27 million in Japan. While LWW made 8 million in China and 57 million in Japan. So VDT should make an extra 40 million off of those two countries at the least. That’s 75 million more, taking the worldwide total to 375 million including domestic total but still does not account for all the other countries it still has more money to make in. I’m very optimistic VDT will make it to 400 million.

    • Pepper Darcy says:

      wild-witch-humps! The Japanse sure push the box-office market! China 8/Japan 57 million for LWW?! Oh my word! That is so stinkin’ weird that there’s such a difference. China is such a bigger country too! Well, let’s hope they help out Dawn Treader!! πŸ™‚

      • Anhun says:

        Japan has been the biggest source of overseas income for all of the Narnia films. Japan’s a very wealthy country. China is progressing, but a number of the provinces are still, for all intents and purposes, 3rd world.

      • Anhun says:

        My mistake. Britain was the biggest overseas haul for LWW, but Japan came in second.

    • WhiteRider says:

      Woops, meant 65 million not 75 million, bad math with adding domestic, China, and Japan.

    • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

      I don’t know if "probably" is entirely accurate. It *may* make it to $115 million, but that would be really pushing it. If you use ‘Prince Caspian’ as a low-end baseline, it had earned 89.45% of its domestic take after 25 days. That projects to a total of $98.4 million for ‘Dawn Treader’. If you want to use ‘Wardrobe’ as the high-end baseline, it had only earned 77.37% of its domestic gross after the same time. That works out to $113.8 million for ‘Dawn Treader’.

      It’s in the neighborhood, optimally, but not guaranteed, at all.

      • Anhun says:

        While it makes sense to use Caspian as a low-end baseline, I don’t think it makes sense to use LWW as a high end. VDT’s holds have been better than LWW’s.

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        I have no choice. Those are the only two complete historical data sets available to use as baselines. To me, it makes more sense to use the percentage of gross over time as a basis of comparison than to rely on projected "hold" rates for an incomplete data set. Regardless, I do not maintain that the film will *not* reach $115 million domestically. Only that neither of the two historical examples we have thus far would support the notion that $115 million is "probable". It is *possible*, under ideal conditions. That’s not the same thing.

  • Reep says:

    I love how so many of us keep mentioning the overseas markets that haven’t debuted yet. I mean, how anxious must they be to see the movie we’re all gushing over? I’d go crazy if I lived in China, Japan, etc.
    My cousin lives in South Korea and she was showing me how her church had a program for the youth group based on PC a couple years ago, complete w/ Narnia logos, music, T-shirts, and so on. East Asia seems to love the Narnia series for sure. (All the more reason to anticipate success there for VDT)

    • Thyservant says:

      Well, I’m in China and I’ve seen it many times on the Internet through some so-called illegal ways(you know, in the mainland of China), but I’m stil going to see it in the following weeks three or four times in 2D and 3D in original and Chinese-dubbed version with my family and my friends. Though the film may sound childish to many other Chinese audiences but as the media know well how to tell it, I believe that many people are going to see it. And the winter vacation has just begun here.

  • lucysdream says:

    i hope they make the silver chair i love narnia sosos much !!!! i am going to see it again hahha!!

  • thesithempire says:

    Glad to hear the numbers are up. The marketing has been terrible, so it’s a surprise. Fox seems to no longer care to advertise the film, on TV or otherwise. Disney, meanwhile, is overdoing it with Tron. People need a reminder that the film is still out there, though not be so constantly hit over the head with it that they get sick of it.

    Ah well, it’ll do what it does, but I think the film deserved greater attention than it got. I’m hoping they won’t skimp on DVD/blu-ray and release an extended edition.

    It seems that Silver Chair is warranted. I just hope the suits at Fox don’t try to stick their nasty paws in it. SC is a darker book (visually and otherwise) and needs the right artistic direction at the helm.

    • reepicheep's_fangirl says:

      i agree, even though SC wasn’t really my favorite. I hope they find the right director (Tim Burton anyone?) that could portray the darker themes correctly, but also make it more artistic than VDT was. I really want Andrew Adamson ( and ESPECIALLY Harry Gregson-Williams!!!) to come back, though. or at least he could come back for the last one, since he started everything. πŸ™‚

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        Walden could not afford Tim Burton, nor would he want to do it, nor would you want him to, if you really thought about it.

      • SavedByGrace says:

        Not Tim Burton! I watched his movie ‘Coraline’ and it was kinda dark and disturbing. In my opinion, he seems to do really intense movies that are not family friendly.

  • Xande says:

    I just saw the numbers on the box office drop yesterday down to $1,090,799. That’s a drop of -68.7% compared to last week. We all knew this slowing down would happen this week, but there is still reason to remain optimistic. If we compare VDT’s numbers (at day 25) with PC (at day 25), we can see that there is some positive aspects about them. At that same day PC was making less than VDT ($703,754 reported), despite the fact that it was shown in more theatres (3,065 against 2,948 of VDT). That is an indication that there is still more people/theatre for VDT. From day 25 on, PC was still able to pull out another 12.4 million domestically, and there is every reason to believe that VDT can do better than that.

  • Louloudi the Centaur says:

    While I can’t say this is official, there is good news. I read on an Internet Movie Database board that someone had been in contact with Fox, and Fox said another sequel will indeed be lit if the worldwide total is about $400 million. I am not sure how accurate this is, but stay tuned for updates. We also have DVD sales to consider.

    • WhiteRider says:

      Really??? That is very interesting do you know or remember the link?

      • Louloudi the Centaur says:

        Unfortunately, there was no link. It was a report by someone who was in contact with Fox. Just wait and see if Fox releases any info on this; then we’ll know it’s true.

    • Cyclops says:

      well, I can disconfirm that right now. I’ve emailed Fox just two days ago now, and they replied with:
      Mark Johnson: "The status of another Narnia film is up in the air at the moment."
      from Fox Publicist: "Sorry we just don’t know at this point…"

      if I hear anything from anybody, I’ll post it here. But there is reason to hope.

      • Louloudi the Centaur says:

        I had felt something wasn’t right about that. We probably would have had a public note regarding that if it were true.

  • Swordebrithil12 says:

    The Silver Chair MUST come out. I’m not as worried about them not doing all seven than only doing three. SC is my absolute favorite book in this world and nothing can change that. If it doesn’t come out I’ll just have to become a director and make it happen. Don’t worry I’d stick to the books.

    • Gem says:

      It’ll happen, I’m almost positive. I’m more worried that they will stop after SC, which will be horrific. SC is one if not my favorite book in the series too, but I would be devastated if they didn’t make all of them. Although if they keep making them the way the made PC and VDT, changing them so much they almost couldn’t be called PC or VDT, maybe they shouldn’t. Maybe you SHOULD take over as director. ^_^

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      i couldn’t get into it- SC_ what is it about it you like so much? just curious-

      • Gem says:

        I think people either love it or couldn’t really get into it. I understand, because in the beginning it is rather slow, but I think what C.S. Lewis does with the story is amazing, I mean, he takes a storyline that’s rather unoriginal, a journey to rescue someone, and he makes it feel like you’ve never read anything like it. He adds his own signature to the story, I just feel like it is Lewis at his best, bending a typical, if you will, plot, into a interesting, unique, mysterious, threatening and overall wonderful story. And also the characters are great. I feel like they are maybe the only characters in the Narnia series where you can see so much of who they are and where they come from and what they are going through with C.S. Lewis wrote. I mean, take Jill for example. Lewis never writes about who her family is and what kind of life she has outside of school, but I love to think about it, about who she is and what she went through and is going through that has made her the way that she is. Except for maybe Edmund, and of course Eustace in VDT, I feel like he made the SC characters come to life like never before.

      • Anhun says:

        You forgot to mention Puddleglum! πŸ˜€ I loved how Lewis created a brand new type of creature, with their own peculiar culture. At first you think he’s kind of ridiculous, almost reminiscent of Eeyore, but the more you know him, the more you realize he’s actually courageous and noble. His relationship with the kids is heart-warming.

      • Gem says:

        Well I meant all the characters, not just the kids. Puddleglum is one of the reasons SC is such a favorite of mine, but to go into how brillantly C.S. Lewis created him and what a wonderfully written character he is would take a much longer comment than I care to write. ^_^

    • Pepper Darcy says:

      OH! Silver Chair is my favourite too!

    • Hwin says:

      Definitely my favorite book of the series as well!!!

  • Davey says:

    These are official UK numbers, the reason I didn’t convert it originally is because it’s Britain and I’m British ;P

    UK Box Office:
    Prince Caspian (final gross): Β£11,653,554
    Voyage of the Dawn Treader: Β£11,263,418

    VODT will still make a few million more at this rate.

    • Xande says:

      Regardless of the currency, I guess the important thing is, as you pointed out, in the end, VDT will have a better gross than PC.

      • Davey says:

        Yeah it will be quite a landmark for VODT when it beats PC in the UK. Lets just hope it does the same in other markets. Its weird the way Prince Caspian did so badly back in 2008 but I guess it was the competition. I think Dawn Treader is getting good word of mouth in the UK as well as the US. I guess we’re all just gotta keep seeing it.

      • WhiteRider says:

        Oh I see now

  • Anhun says:

    VDT has already passed PC’s lifetime totals in Russia, South Korea, and Brazil, among the not-to-be-sneezed at markets. πŸ™‚

  • Alambil and Tarvis says:

    Okay, the fact that VDT’s gaining ground on PC is definitely giving me more hope. But the less than $100 million domestic total really bothers me. Usually for a film to have done "well," it has to gross at least $200 million in the U.S.

    But then again, it’s still only been a month, and it has yet to be released in some countries. The international gross I feel is going to be much more important to the making of SC than it would be in terms of other films. Narnia is more of a
    global franchise anyway.

    By the time it’s pulled out of theaters internationally, it probably will have around $400 million worldwide, which is pretty good. This doesn’t take into account DVD/Bluray sales, though, because it will earn more from those too.

    THE SILVER CHAIR WILL BE MADE!! Keep on praying, people.

    • Anhun says:

      I think that the DVD sales for Dawn Treader will be better than those for Caspian. They’re releasing it on DVD sooner.

  • Queen Lucy the Valiant of Narnia says:

    I haven’t gone to the cinema to watch the VDT. I am waiting (almost on tip-toes) for it to be released in DVD. Anyone knows when it will be released? I hope to buy it then! I am sure others will which will make a good sale I think. I so want SC to come up. Puddle-glum is my favorite character in that book! For Narnia and for Aslan!

  • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    PC was NOT a flop. the audeince showed for a lesser known sequel in full force, they should have DROPPED the production budget for PC since it had less fans of the book and INCREASED the budget for marketing to aqquaint the audiences with it. They should have left it in DEC and they would have OWNED the christmas market for the next ten years! THEN, they made us wait 8 months to get the video!?! hello?? the money they made was substantial for a sequel, they just blew too much money making it to make a profit, and made crazy foolish decisions with their marketing stategy. WE THE FANS SUPPORTED IT!

    • Kristine says:

      Yes, I agree. I know hindsight is always 20/20 but they did go overboard with the pc budget. If it was not so expensive, then 419mil would not have been considered a disappointment. As much as I loved the landscapes of pc, I do think a damson got s bit carried away with filiming on location all over the world (at least according to the movie companion where they supposedly went to nz, Poland, Czech republic, Slovenia, etc.) I honestly think it would have been just as beautiful if he had saved money and did all of it in nz. It was vdt actually, that I expected them to film on location since there are so many islands. I do remember apted saying they were originally going to film in Malta nd Iceland which would have been amazing. I still loved vdt, but a part of me will always wish we could have had location shots instead of so much cgi. With sc I think the budget can be cut since there are no large battle scenes that I can recall or varied settings like in vdt. It is pretty much just the giants and the under land part.

  • Nathan says:

    Suffering Succotash

  • lilliandilhater says:

    how much dwas the budget for LWW again?? I forgot the number after being so concentrated on VDT.

  • Lazuli of Cair Paravel says:

    i believe that if they make all seven in the series, itll make at least 7 billion.

    • son of adam says:

      yes, they got BBC version’s LWW, PC, VDT & SC, there is no other people that has seen Magician’s Nephew, The Horse and His Boy and The Last Battle live-action movies yet, so after SC, I bet it will become a hit!

  • SusanHater says:

    Still a long ways to go.

  • aslanarabia says:

    Domestic: $88,017,196
    + Foreign: $210,235,758
    = Worldwide: $298,252,954
    domestic needs to be above 100, i,l say it should be 110 and foreign 300, then silver chair will be made. the worldwide total would be 410, which is close to caspain .

  • son of adam says:

    I saw it 6 times!

    • ben says:

      6 times, I hoep ur int he US, cos we need that domestic to be above 100!. πŸ™‚ tell your friends and enemies πŸ™‚

  • reepicheep's_fangirl says:

    this is great! i just hope it doesn’t decline even more. πŸ™

  • Cross Trainer says:

    Jesus replied, β€œTruly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, β€˜Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. Matthew 21:21

    We can do it guys!

  • Josh says:

    So my theatre is JUST NOW getting Narnia on Friday. Oh well, at least our city can contribute to this coming weekend’s box office now! YAY!

  • always narnian says:

    So this is good???

  • reepicheep's_fangirl says:

    while we’re on the topic of the future of the Narnia movies, what if….
    1. We get Harry Gregson-William’s back on board, first of all! πŸ™‚
    2. Peter Jackson as director? or at least someone who is well known and has a good reputation as a fantasy movie director

    3. work harder to publicize VDT ourselves! i mean, really, there’s no better way to publicize than that. after all, it’s narnia fans that got the movie made, right?

  • narniafan says:

    ok all narnia books have to be made into movies, its probably the best book serise i’ve ever read and im sure many other people agree, and they deserve to become movies, they have good teachings to!! but it will also not make much sense not releasing the other movies, i mean why only film a few books in a series and leave the others, its like the lord of the rings with out the fellowship or mabye the return of the king. the SC is one of the best books as well as LWW so it should make just as much money as LWW did, and in my opinion the other three are better than PC so they should make more money.

  • Anhun says:

    It’s official! VDT is over 300 mil worldwide. Box Office Mojo is predicting that it’ll top VDT’s overseas total.

  • Lucia says:

    And VDT have not come to Japan.There are many fans of Narnia,so I think their works will be wonderful in this Feb.!!!

    • Anhun says:

      While SC isn’t my favorite, I do think that with the right direction and cast, it could be an excellent movie in an artistic, cinematic sense. A commercial megahit like LWW? I’d be shocked. But if they’re smart with their money, it could be worth their while to make.

  • Queen Elizabeth says:

    This is good πŸ™‚ That’s 10 million more than before! Hey that rhymes! lol

  • claireyy says:

    wow this is awesome!!! it seems like almost everyone’s fave book out of the series is sc, so i think many people will watch the flim and it might bring more money.
    i <3 all the narnia movies! please make more and more and more!!!!!

  • Braden Woodburn says:

    Whoa, the news with this movie and it’s box office keeps getting better on every update! I am so in love with that fact! So since it is in the $300 million range, I can so see "The Silver Chair is a go!" update!! Man I would probably faint if that happens! Such exciting news yay!

  • Queen Elizabeth says:

    We have to have Silver Chair! Hard-core fight scenes await!

    • Mei-Lin Po says:

      If Dawn Treader has more than drawn level with Prince Caspian already, how can they possibly even consider not making Silver Chair???

      • Anhun says:

        But it hasn’t drawn level. Overseas it’s doing better than PC, but in America it’s falling far short.

    • Mei-Lin Po says:

      And what is this nonsense about skipping SC and doing Magician’s Nephew first? Magician’s Nephew could always easily be made later, but there is only so long that Will Poulter would be able to reprise Eustace, before he grows up and outgrows the role.

    • Rafael says:

      Now it is almost 100 m domestic and 337 worldwide.
      It can get over 400 m overall πŸ™‚

      • Duffleglum says:

        I had huge doubts that would happen, but God has blessed this movie profoundly!!

        Here’s hoping for a $400+ million grand total!!

  • Thyservant says:

    I have a feeling that if SC is to be made, true to the book, the production budget won’t be big, at least less than VDT. BTW, is the idea of the northern land of Narnia from the highland of Scotland?

    • Anhun says:

      If you’re asking about Lewis’ intentions, I have no idea. But if you’re putting out a suggestion, I think that’s brilliant! Check it out:

      http://www.1adventure.com/archives/000120.html

      • Thyservant says:

        Well, I was actually asking and… Enjoying the picture! It’s a suggestion now… LOL

      • Thyservant says:

        I also think that the landscape in BBC’s SC is great. With technology now, you just need to add more high mountains and make it dimmer.

      • Not Of This World says:

        I can totally picture that as Etinsmore!

      • HighQueenofNarnia says:

        My first reaction was "That looks just like a scene from SC!!" πŸ™‚ But, on further consideration, it’s almost too pretty for Ettinsmoor; I see it more as Northern Narnia, before you reach the river Shribble.
        Or maybe that is the river Shribble, or one of its tributaries.

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        That looks incredible. It’s very Puddleglum-ish–dark grey skies for pessimism, contrasted with the bright green vegetation for hope and faith. I could see that.

      • elanor says:

        How amazing! Why do people go to New Zealand?

        I think Ettinsmoors should have that kind of desolate beauty. The fun contrast about SC compared to the other books is that you can imagine the scenery in the North being so starkly different from the fairy-tale-like beauty of Narnia. It matches gloomy Puddleglum, man-eating giants, a dark, mysterious Underworld, and Rilian and his strange enchantment.

      • Anhun says:

        I LOVE the natural green-and-grey palette. One of my favorite places on the planet is Guilin. You can get lost in the somber beauty of it (In my case, I quite literally got lost, but that’s another story, lol).

        http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/exploreamerica/17/1214960940/guilin-countryside-tour-91.jpg/tpod.html

      • Warrior 4 Jesus says:

        Anhun, that Scottish landscape is beautiful, totally what I imagined when I read the book.

    • Crazface says:

      I think I read somewhere that the inspiration for Ettinsmoor were the Mountains of Mourne in Northan Ireland.

  • ajSilver X says:

    Well. Narnia is a wonderfull movie. If Silver Chair will be relsead, I suggest it should be earlier than 2013 and it the remaining books: Magicians Nephew, Horse and His Boy and of course the Last Battle should be a motion picture too. Narnia will be a more better movie if the film and the book will be really related to each other. we must see the following movies in the near future. FOR NARNIA! FOR ASLAN!

  • Reepicheep says:

    So far, the franchise has made about $1.5 billion. If Fox continues, say on average they make about $350 million each, that’s still about $3 billion and it would be one of the biggest franchises of all time, which is a pretty big incentive for Fox to make the rest of them. Here’s what I think the plan should be for the rest of them.
    – Silver Chair gets released in November 2012, because 2013 is too long a wait, Will Poulter still needs to be Eustace and if it comes in December, it will be smashed at the box office by The Hobbit. Silver Chair has a good chance of better box office success than the Dawn Treader because it is the market for such a story.
    – Horse and his Boy and Magician’s Nephew are filmed together. This will save Fox a lot of time making these movies. MN comes in November 2014 and HBB comes a year later. November 2014 is good so that it won’t compete with Avatar 2. HBB should be made after MN so that audiences are introduced to the Calormenes in time for The Last Battle, and so the Pevensies can get time to grow up.
    – The Last Battle gets released in December 2017. This should be a box office king because it will be last in the series. Whether it should be in two parts, I don’t know. The second part can come in mid 2018. Comment as to whether The Last Battle could be done in two parts.

    • Anhun says:

      1. "one of the biggest franchises of all time, which is a big incentive . . ." A large gross is only an incentive if it’s in proportion to the cost.

      2. "This will save Fox a lot of time . . ." If Fox cared about saving time, they would have started pre-production on Silver Chair already.

      3. "This should be box office king . . ." You seem to be living in the same La-La Land as Disney was when they spent 400 million on Prince Caspian. Chronicles of Narnia is not a baffo-popular series. It’s a series with one baffo-popular book. There is no overarching plot to tie all of the books together, so people won’t be waiting on the edge of their seats to see what happens to their characters. Add to that the fact that the last 3 books are more like addenda to the series than part of it. There is no reason to believe that LB will be particularly successful.

      • Tribunal says:

        It will also have to face off against major competition. If they release a new Narnia film every two years or so during the Christmas season.

        The Hobbit is slated for December 2012 and its sequel the following year in the same month. Then in December 2014 comes Avatar 2 and in 2015 Avatar 3.

    • Cross Trainer says:

      I like your optimism, cause it’s all starting to look like a good possibility. Don’t pay too much attention to the negative Marsh-wiggles.

    • I voted... says:

      I agree, very positive attitude–but Colormenes have been introduced !
      I am surprised I have not read any comments on this yet. I was so impressed ! The slave traders in VDT had slightly darker skin, curled mustached, long robes, turbans, and scimitars ! I thought, Wow, they introduced Calormenes !

      • Reepicheep says:

        To oppose your comments
        1: I said presuming each one makes $350 million, which seems to be the average of the last two movies. I only said The Last Battle would be big because it’s a finale. I never said it would be bigger than LWW.
        2: Fox would want to see how the Dawn Treader plays out before they continue with these plans.
        3: November is a good time for the next few Narnia movies so it can get a month’s head start against major competition.
        4: Viewers wouldn’t know enough about Calormenes just from seeing the Dawn Treader. They are only mentioned when they are looking at the map and only subtly depicted through the slave traders so HBB would look a lot more in depth than Dawn Treader.
        5: I still never got anything back about the Last Battle being in two parts.
        6: Who said $400 million needed to be spent per Narnia film.

      • Anhun says:

        1. Did I say anything about LWW? You said that it would be "box office king" because it’s a finale. That is the point I was contesting. I think it’s doubtful that LB will be a success, let alone box office king. If it is, it will be a function of two variables: How well they make it, and how well they market it. The mere fact that it’s a finale won’t help LB, when you consider that it has no plot connection to the rest of the books, and the series as a whole isn’t all that popular.

        2. Um . . . My point exactly. Fox is not going to invest in any future Narnia film until they gauge whether or not the series still has life in it by observing the previous film’s earnings. They certainly wouldn’t invest all of that money in a struggling franchise by filming two installments at once.

        3. November is extremely risky for this series. The movie might lose a lot of theatres before the holidays come around, so that it receives little or no benefit from the holiday bump.

        6. I didn’t say you thought they would earn back 400 million, I was saying that your LB automatic dominance theory was just as unrealistic as that.

      • I voted... says:

        That’s right, Calormenes ! WOOHOO !!

    • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

      That’s an interesting idea, the Last Battle coming out in two parts. But I reckon it would be a very bad idea to do so.
      Firstly, everyone would be comparing it to Harry Potter, which is already done too much for my liking. The truth is that Narnia isn’t Harry Potter, in fact, it’s completely different. Narnia shouldn’t try to be Harry Potter, it should just be Narnia. If it were to have two parts to the last movie, movie critics everywhere would be claiming that Narnia was copying HP. Thing is, many people who have not read the books do not know they were written 50 years before HP. They will think Narnia is a cheap take-off, which is not what we want.
      Secondly, and most importantly, I really can’t see how LB would be split into two parts. To me, there aren’t two parts of a story, there is one whole story, so why try to split it up? It’s not like it’s a long book either, so there’s really no reason to split it up. There are no really suspenseful moments in the middle of the book where the filmmakers could end the film so that the audience would want to see it again, and I am fearful that if they tried to split the movie into two parts then many people would lose interest in the last part.
      I see where you’re coming from (two movies make more money than one?), but I believe that to keep with the spirit of Narnia that LB should just be one movie.

      • Anhun says:

        Now that I think about it, VDT might have benefited from being made in multiple parts. They could have made the conflict with the slave traders the central plot of the first one, with Gumpas as the arch-villain.

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        VDT certainly could have benefitted from being split into two parts- its episodic nature would have complimented that decision very well. However, LB is nothing like VDT; it has a beginning, complication, climax and resolution. It would not do well to be split into two.
        Imagine how much better VDT could have been if it was split into two, though! They could have included all the islands and gone into more detail for everything without having to rush through everything so much. Man, Anhun, sometimes you have really good ideas!

      • Anhun says:

        No, I wasn’t arguing against your position on LB, just going off on a tangent. When I read your list of all of the qualities that would make LB ideal for a single installment, I realized that VDT had none of those qualities.

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        Yeah, I knew you weren’t arguing against my LB opinions, I was just reinstating my point so that the conversation had some *remote* relation to the original topic. πŸ˜€
        As I think about it more, I begin to wish the filmmakers /had/ made VDT in two installments. If they had done that, perhaps they could have dropped that whole unoriginal ‘evil mist’ plot and made something a bit more believable. Perhaps the sea serpent could be the main enemy in the second half of the film, between the crew of the DT and Ramandu’s Island? Once that was out of the way, the end of the movie could be focussed on the ‘discovery’ aspect, and they could focus on the spiritual climax, which is where Aslan comforts the Pevensies by telling them he lives in their world too by a different name, and that they must learn to know him by that name. Man, I love that part! πŸ˜€

      • Anhun says:

        Like your idea for part 2. πŸ™‚ Here’s my proposed plot for the first part CoN: Dragon Island (calling it Pt1 would seem too HPish).

        Everything starts out like in the movie. Then they arrive on Felimath, and things progress like they did in the book. Caspian, Bern et al. free the kids in a fight like they did in the movie. He turns the slave traders in to Gumpas, who is shocked! shocked! to hear that slave trading is going on around here. Caspian thinks all is well, so the gang sail off from Bernstead.

        They arrive on Dragon Island. I liked the idea of making Deathwater and Dragon Island the same in the movie. Eustace goes and finds the dragon treasure while the rest go down to the death waters. Other than that, the episodes unfold like in the book, except Eustace show his name in the burning rocks. Now, everyone is sorry for Eustace, so they decide to double back to Lone Islands to find a magus or whoever one goes to to get undragoned.

        They return to Bernstead, Bern’s wife tells them that Gumpas is in league with the slavers, that they plan to ambush Caspian, and that Bern is in prison for his loyalty. Caspian then takes on Gumpas’ men in a ruse like in the book. He confronts Gumpas in his office in that memorable scene. He frees Bern and makes him Governor.

        They find a magus in the town, but he tells a tearful Dragon-Eustace that nothing can be done, "Only Aslan himself could free you from this curse."

        Things end with Dawn Treader and Dragon sailing off into the sunset.

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        Sounds good. A friend of mine had this fantastic idea for the beginning of the movie (before it came out) that one of the Pevensies- probably Edmund, as he has less patience with Eustace- narrates the beginning: "There was a boy called Eustace Clarence Scrubb, and he almost deserved it." etc. I thought that was a great idea, because it’s humourously introducing the Pevensies’ situation the same way the book does. Just a thought…
        So for CoN: World’s End (or something like that, I don’t know, it sounds more like an apocalypse movie if that’s its title) I reckon that Eustace should get changed back to human form /before/ they confront the sea serpent, maybe on Magician’s Island. It would be more exciting anyway, if there was no huge dragon to help them. Eustace can then show how much he has changed in the period he was a dragon by being willing to help (and breaking Caspian’s best sword… he he…). Dark Island should stay how it was in the book, where the albatros/Aslan guides the crew with Rhoop out.
        Wow, I just realised how carried away I got there… I’m acting as if this movie is actually going to get made. *sigh* My bad. Oh well, we can always dream! Maybe Peter Jackson will one day stumble upon this thread and decide ‘I have to make a movie out of this!’
        Ha ha just kidding, but it would be awesome if in 10 or 20 years time he decided to make another set of Narnia movies!

      • Anhun says:

        I’m thinking the second installment could be called Voyage of the Dawn Treader, like the book. Hey, there’s no harm in fantasizing. I loved the movie for what it was, an appetizer sampling of the book’s depth and brilliance, but it would have been nice if they had the screen time to explore the different islands (and their associated themes) in depth.

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        That’s a good way of putting it. πŸ˜€ I don’t think that anything on screen would ever quite be able to tell the story of the Voyage of the Dawn Treader as well as my favourite book does, but it gives us a nice little taste that captures the heart of it, which is a lot better than what I could say of PC. Saying that, it’s nice to dream of a near-perfect adaptation that will come out some time in the far-ish future. πŸ˜‰

      • Reepicheep says:

        Forget what i said about LB’s success, the entire story will have been done and therefore the whole story will be complete, something which has bogged the series’ success. It is an advantage that Potter and Rings had over Narnia to begin with, and when LB comes, they wouldn’t need to worry.

  • Not Of This World says:

    Let’s pass the 400 mark! I really want to see these movies made. All of them.

    • Jess Porlock says:

      Why people think The Last Battle is just one of the last three books is beyond me. It won the presitgious Carnegie prize in 56 when it was first published and it remains, for me, the finest dramatisation of the book of revelation ever written. The pn;y question regarding it is whether anyone has the guts to film it with all the issues it addresses. It is far more significant than any of the others.

      • Cross Trainer says:

        I would think–I would hope, that the release of "Book of Eli" and "The Passion of the Christ" shows some guts in the industry. But yeah, Last Battle would be taking it where it’s never been.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        it’s so great it actually made me cry, no book has ever done that before

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        I absolutely DREAD the thought of ‘The Last Battle’ in the hands of the current producers. It would not even be remotely recognizable after they water it down for the PG-rating, and to placate misguided parents. Can you imagine what they’d do to it? Susan not only would make it into the Real Narnia with everyone else, she’d probably single-handedly take out the entire Calormene army with her bow along the way. Or, they’d spend a zillion dollars on a spectacular CGI train wreck, only to have everyone walk away from it, unscathed, A-Team-style.

        "Wow, Ed! That was a close one!"
        "I’ll say! Has anyone seen my torch?"
        "I think it rolled under the White Witch."

        Oh, to see a faithful adaptation of that book…

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        agreed, non, I dream of a production team that is brave enough to keep to the story, deepen the subtext, and blow our minds with the thrilling spiritual intensity of the original plots. Instead we get watered down, twisted, PC mishmashes. it’s baffling. Taking superior material and trading it out for inferior dishwater, in the name of updating. If you look at the grosses, you can deduce this is not what the audience wants to see, it’s what the producers are foolishly , incorrectly projecting that’s what we will want. I am totally grateful for the new movies, but I really wish they would stop tampering with a classic. And i understand about adapting to cinema and am not against that where it is needed, the problem is they are changing things where they are not needed. Narnia is not a property that needs updating with more headbashing and dumbing down, it should stay intelligent and deep. It needs to stay heartfelt and character driven.

      • Ionic Bonding Rocks says:

        NNC, that made me laugh so hard… but it’s kind of worrying because it’s utterly ridiculous but scarily accurate. As for my concerns, I’m seriously worrried that they’ll turn Jill into another ‘warrior princess’ with an unlimited supply of mascara. Or they’ll have a huge battle between Susan and Lilliandil when Susan gets to the new Narnia, where she shouldn’t be anyway. *shudders*
        Yes, as JP said, the filmmakers will definitely need guts if they are going to do the Last Battle any justice. I’m not saying there needs to be blood and guts everywhere (Aslan forbid!), and it is definitely possible to do a train crash scene without being gory (they’re all sitting on the train, then they’re wondering why another train is coming towards them, then there’s a jolt and it goes black?). As long as the kids realise that it doesn’t matter the Pevensies died, because it meant they could spend eternity in Narnia with no more battles and everything, it wouldn’t be too bad.
        And if they do LB, they HAVE to keep in all the symbolism, no matter how weird they reckon the audience will think it will be.

      • Not Of This World says:

        Listen to this: In the train sceen, the train is going, then it starts to giggle, then it flips over. (The camera is pointed toward the people on the platform) It then shows the people on the platform or where ever they are. Then the train is falling toward them. (Right now the camera is on the platform, facing up to the falling train) Then right before it falls on them, the kids are taken into Narnia.

        What do you think? πŸ™‚

      • Not Of This World says:

        I ment "jiggle: not "giggle" ! whoops! LOL

      • Anhun says:

        @Not of this World: lol on the "giggling." It could be a crossover concept: Narnia kids killed by Thomas the Tank Engine!

      • Not Of This World says:

        LOL Ha HA! Very funny

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        I would film susan in bed having a terrible dream, nightmare images swirl in front of her , then a loud crash makes her bolt upright in bed, shaking and sweating. she then gets a phone call with the terrible news.

    • Cross Trainer says:

      That was, by far, the funniest thing I’ve read up here. Because they would do exactly that; but it’s improper teaching kids about death and all. It’s not something they should be exposed to until they’re old enough to die. (sarc.) So keep that in mind.

  • Queen Elizabeth says:

    I think the Silver Chair would be a fabulous action/magical film. I don’t know if people would agree with me but I think Silver chair could be a PG-13 if they stress the action. But I am totally fine with the PG status, I love family movies, and knowing my little cousins could go see it would make me happy.

    Love Live Narnia! πŸ™‚
    and check out my blog at… http://thegirltheblogandthepainting.blogspot.com/

    • Anhun says:

      If I understand correctly (which I might not in this case) one of the terms of the agreement between the C.S. Lewis Estate and Walden is that all movies must be PG or less.

      • narnian21 says:

        To me it seems like they are gonna have a hard time with LB

      • Queen Elizabeth says:

        I didn’t mean to "Rebel" when I said that I thought the PG-13 idea could work. But I forgot that they were all going to be pg πŸ™‚ I ack-chelly knew that lol πŸ™‚ Sorry

      • Not Of This World says:

        I thought that too, Anhun. I knew there was some sort of agreement that it had to be PG. If you guys remember in PC, they had the Telmarines wear masks in the battle so it could get a PG rating.

      • Queen Elizabeth says:

        How would the Telmarines wearing masks make it PG. Some people thought the masks made them scarier. And they let a lot of things slide into the PG catagory these days.

      • jag says:

        Prince Caspian was rated M15+ here in Australia…

      • Anhun says:

        @jag: What does that mean? You can’t see it unless your 15, or you need a parent?

      • Not Of This World says:

        They said in the PC commentary (I think. I might have heard in an interview somewhere else) that in LLW, the war sceen didn’t get them a PG-13 becuase it was like they were fighting animals, and that’s not to scary for children. But when they fight the Telmarines, those are men, so then it is too scary for children. Giving them masks made them seem more like robots then men. It dosen’t really make sence to me either.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        it makes the killing more impersonal and less likely to feel sorry for them as a person, hence less upsetting.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        or maybe that is a cover story because it was easier to computer replicate masked men, and they needed lots of them.

  • Bethany Weathers says:

    It’s the little engine that could.

  • Anhun says:

    VDT’s daily take has dipped back below PC’s at the same point in it’s run. πŸ™

    • Xande says:

      I saw that too. I wonder if today is just an isolate "incident". Note that the week was pretty bad for other movies also (VDT actually performed better than Yogi Bear and tangled).

      • Anhun says:

        Now that the holidays are over, all of the family-friendly films are down, during school days at least. We’ll see if this trend holds on the weekend. Hopefully not.

        At this point in PC’s trajectory, school was already out. I suspect that, from here on in, VDT will do better than PC on weekends, but worse on week days.

      • Xande says:

        That was precisely my thought about it. Indeed all family films did very poorly today, at the level of movies like black swan, the fighter, etc… Hopefully, it will pick up some stamina this weekend. I am hoping it will reach the 100mil mark soon (maybe next week). After that, I don’t expect much more (115mil might be too much of an optimistic stretch). I only hope that, together with foreign profit, it is enough for the producers to continue the franchise.

    • Kristine says:

      Yes I saw that too. I was pretty surprised at how much it has dropped since mon. I thought it would make close to a million per day this week, but I can see that the adult films are doing better now. The tourist topped vdt for the first time today. I guess we will have to wait for the weekend. I hope it can pull in at lest 4 mil.

    • Anhun says:

      Glum news on the box-office front. The trend from this week has continued into the weekend. VDT has basically fallen off the grid, to 11th place. While it is performing better than Caspian at this point, it dropped even more than LWW. πŸ™

      • Kristine says:

        I was sad to see that as well. I was hoping it would pick up on the weekend but it looks like families aren’t going to the movies right now. It is all the adult films doing well, even the tourist. I just hope it can tick around for the mlk holiday in the us. Maybe it can pick up a bit then. It should still make a 100mil, but not much beyond that. It is rally up to the overseas total again to hopefully convince fox to do another one. Also, they did say vdt will be the first fox film since avatar to cross 100mil. Considering how poor the initial debut was, that is still quite a feat. I just wish it had made 120mil or something closer to pc to ensure we would get sc.

  • regian says:

    I saw the movie last Sunday and it was great! I brought my husband and 4 grown-up kids (ages 21-26), who all were reluctant to come. But since I rarely go out to the movies (just LoTR and Narnia recently), they treated me to this one. They were not disappointed. A couple of them were even teary (sniffling) by the end of the movie. My hubby kept commenting on how he loved the music score. Also, I noticed how the people lingered at the end either looking at the credits or listening to There’s a Place for Us. I probably will watch it again just one more time then buy the blu-ray/dvd when it comes out.

    Sorry if I posted in the wrong thread.. new here.

    The Voyage didn’t disappoint….

    • Anhun says:

      GET OUT!!!! . . . just kidding
      Well, you’re talking about how you contributed to the gross, so it fits perfectly in a conversation about Dawn Treader’s weekend gross. πŸ™‚

      I was crying at the end, too. The look on Lucy’s face was heart-wrenching. I can’t wait to get this on DVD.

    • Not Of This World says:

      Welcome! By the way, what did you mean by LoTR? Just wondering πŸ™‚

      • Anhun says:

        Holy Moses you’re young! You don’t know LotR stands for Lord of the Rings?

        [Anhun toddles off to go shoot herself]

      • Not Of This World says:

        Ohh. Is the Lord of the Rings Christian based too (I mean, like the way Narnia is)? I’ve have wanted to see that and Indiana Jones for a long time.

      • Anhun says:

        Not really.

      • Not Of This World says:

        Whats the Lord of the Rings about?

      • Gem says:

        Tolkein, the guy who wrote the LOTR books, was Catholic, so there isn’t really a sound Christian emphasis obviously like Narnia, but there are allegories and other things that make it feel a bit like it is Christian.
        Oh wow, you will have to read it for yourself to answer that question. Basically, in a few sentences, it is about a creature called a hobbit who is given an evil Ring that was made by the evil Lord Sauron, whose life and power basically depends on the Ring. The hobbit then goes on a journey to destroy the Ring and ultimately end Sauron. You really should read the books, they are some of the most amazing and brillant pieces of work. I recommend reading The Hobbit before the LOTR, though: The Hobbit is basically a sort of prequel to LOTR and it helps introduce you to the world of LOTR before you read that series. And DON"T go and see the movies BEFORE you read the books…I partially did that and rather wish I hadn’t now. But DO see the movies AFTER you read the books, they are stunning.

      • Not Of This World says:

        Okay! Thanks!

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        @Gem, sorry, but you have been mislead , catholics ARE christian, they are the ORIGINAL CHRISTIANS that were around for 1500 years before luther started changing doctrines and throwing books out of the bible. that is why the book prince caspian refers to the kids being gone so long. do not listen to wild distortions of catholicism, that is not what the catholic church actually teaches. www. catholic.com refutes the misstatements you have been taught.

      • Anhun says:

        Shelly, don’t. Gem has a history of flaunting her ignorance. She doesn’t have to be talking about Catholics. Give her a topic, any topic. I don’t talk to her when she behaves that way, and I would caution you against engaging her as well. You’re "feeding the troll" as they say.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        lol, thank you, anhun.

      • Gem says:

        Shelly, there are two ways to be "Catholic". True Catholics, the ones you are probably reffering to, are not Christian, because they believe that you have to perform acts or do a certain amount of good to get into heaven, that leading a good life to please the Trinity is your salvation. Christians believe that God sent his Son Jesus Christ to take away the sins of the world so that us humans could believe in Him and live an eternal life of love instead of pain. Christians believe this is the way you get into heaven, not by good deeds. Now there are some Catholics who follow the traditions to some extent of the Catholic church and therefore call themselves Catholic, but they believe in salvation the way Christians do. I’m not an expert on this stuff and certainly not Catholicism, but I do have some very long-time close friends who are Catholic and some other close friends who are born-again Catholics. And seriously, come on! Of course a website is going to try to make itself sound good. But trust me, Catholics are NOT the same things as Christians.
        Ummm…Anhun, I really don’t feel like commenting back on someone who seems to have the maturity of a kindergartener, but when you write stuff like you did you just kind of make yourself look bad. And I’m sorry if you think I’ve been ignorant in the past, I try to get my facts straight, but sometimes-because, duh, I’m human- I get things wrong. But more likely than not, you were just mad about something I said because my opinion was different from yours and therefore, you saw me as ignorant.

      • Not Of This World says:

        I’m not going to say my thoughts on this matter, but I will say that Shelly and Gem, your points are very interesting and very good. This is one of the most interesting conversations I’ve ever seen on NarniaWeb! πŸ™‚

      • Gem says:

        Well, thank you, Not of This World, I appreciate that. And I think you are wise to not say your thoughts, I (and everyone else) should probably be careful about what we say around Anhun or she’ll go into a temper tantrum about something someone said that she doesn’t like, OR, something she didn’t know. Anyway, hope you like LOTR! It is really is a great story.

      • Anhun says:

        @Not of this World: Interesting? Well, whatever floats your boat. I thought Gem’s first comment was bigoted and rude, calculated to offend people. Her second comment was utter nonsense. I attended a Catholic high school for 2 years, and had to study the catechism. The Catholic church teaches that salvation comes through faith in God. You don’t earn salvation through good works, like earning points in a video game. There may be some sects of Christianity that preach the good works game, but Catholicism isn’t one of them.

      • Not Of This World says:

        I had never really thought of Chatholics and if they were Christian or if they were, as you might say, on their own. And I thought both Gem and Shelly’s points were very good and convincing. That is why I think the conversation is interesting. And I didn’t think Gem’s comments were rude or nonsence.

      • Gem says:

        Again, thank you, Not of This World. Anhun, YOU are not people. YOU are only one person, and I’m sorry you don’t agree with me, but do you really think I care about offending you? No, I don’t even KNOW you. And I am also sorry that you have been taught that about Catholicism, and, more importantly, you BELIEVE it. And parting word- Catholicism is NOT the same as Christianity, their doctrines, ideas, beliefs, and core values are completely different. I don’t know WHY someone would think they are one and the same.

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      hello guys, yes, i love these discussions! @ gem, just because i like you : ) , i dug this up: catechism of the catholic church: 617:1992- "justification has been merited for us BY THE PASSION OF CHRIST who offered himself on the cross as a living victim". that’s the ACTUAL official position. the thing about works is" work out your salvation with fear and trembling" –
      ‘is distorted by ant-i catholics insinuating catholics believe you earn salvation by works. the AcTUAL position is faith will RESULT in works . the catechism is available online at ewtn.com or catholic.com -the catholic apologetics site with the official teachings. I encourage anyone in another denomination to look up the actual catholic position instead of believing anti catholic sources. They are distorting( some innocently) what catholics actually believe and innocent persons end up thinking it’s actually true that it’s the real catholic position. satan wants to keep believers separated and quarreling amongst ourselves to weaken us as a group and make us easier to attack. We are ONE body, the body of christ!

      • Gem says:

        Exscuse me if I did not make this clear before, I was comparing the Catholic beliefs to Protestant beliefs. Both religions have Christ as their center. But I just went online and looked up extensively the beliefs of the Catholic Church to make sure my argument was legit, and it is. The whole beliefs of Catholics is that you have to purify your soul in order to get to heaven—Purgatory, praying to people other than God…it all is for the purifying of their soulds so they are "clean enough", if good enough isn’t the right way to put it, to get into heaven. That’s their whole salvation belief, that you "earn your right to heaven", or you have to believe or do certain things to "get into heaven", like just accepting God and His free gift of Love isn’t enough. I am not bad mouthing Catholics, they believe what they want ot, but I know Catholics and they have said that this is their belief. I am deciding to go only on what I have been told myself from people who are actually part of the Catholic Church themselves.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        the protestant argument confuses * justification* and *santification*. JUSTIFICATION means jesus paid the penalty for the sins of humanity, which reopened the gates of heaven to us. (those God fearing people who had died before the crucifixion were in "abraham’s bosom"- a place of rest outsside heaven until christ came and ushered them into heaven) . SANTIFICATION is the cleansing of our souls- a purifying . that occurs after death.
        this was not a new doctrine, the jews have always prayed for their dead- so it was obviously revealed to them by
        God to do so. You don’t have to pray for someone who is already in heaven to be saved, and praying for someone in hell CAN"T save them. so logically there is a place where your prayers take effect. The old testament shows the jews praying for their dead relatives to be saved, and it was that way for four thousand years until christ came-it is not a catholic invention. If you want to do research on what the catholic position is, you have to go to the official catholic church documents. protestants have a vested interest in twisting catholic doctrine, it’s the way to keep you anti-catholic and in THEIR church. it’s very bizarre what some denominations teach that the catholic church says, when it is not even close to actual catholic doctrine- they confuse issues and sometimes outright lie. That’s why i’s good to go to an actual apologist like catholic answers group, they take questions from protestants who would like the catholic position explained more clearly. catholics DO NOT : worship saints (they are just people we know are in heaven and they are just our brothers and sisters in christ) catholics DO NOT worship the virgin mary- she is just a human being we honor profusely for facing the death penalty by stoning for pregnancy out of wedlock to bring us jesus. those are just two examples of misunderstandings that keep being passed around. you can even call catholic answers during their "for non catholics only" radio show once a month and they explain where non catholics have been confused. It’s usually Dr. Scott Hahn or another former hard core protestant answering the questions because they know where the caller is coming from. Try reading "Surprised by Truth" his book filled with protestants stories about the things they had been errantly taught about catholicsim. Most average catholics do not know how to explain the church as expertly as a professional apologist.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        PS – even CS Lewis believed in a purgatory state- as he had used logic to come to that conclusion- even though that was not his church’s (anglican) official position.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        http://www.catholic.com/library/Grace_What_It_Is_.asp scroll down halfway to "Justification and Sanctification" sorry i don’t know how to make links

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        groovy! it made the link itself! narnian magic! hail aslan!

      • Kristine says:

        Thanks for all that info. It is amazing how much is misunderstood about the catholic religion. I appreciator all the clarification, and it is great that we all love the story of narnia!

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        thank you kristine, it’s hard to clear up misunderstandings when someone in error gets there first, it’s natural to let that source infiltrate your mind, then have a resistance to the correct source if it comes along after. so much has been twisted and many protastants of today have only heard disinformation from their organization that has been passed down for 500 years. it’s hard to get through to people of today who sincerely have anticatholic beliefs that there are innacurracies and distortions they are being fed. it is only logical when you hear something questionable not to just swallow t hook line and sinker but to go to the original source, such as catholic.com, the catholic tv network ewtn.com, a great catholic bookstore tan.com (TAN books has n awesome book calledTHIS IS THE FAITH that will spell it out like you,ve never seen before. ) I’ve noticed that fundamentalism and evangelicalism especially have many misunderstandings about catholicism embedded in them.and it’s usually a twisting of terms so you try to discuss something, you go around in circles, and come to find out you have different definitions for the same word or idea. so of course you keep going around in circles. CS Lewis had been fed anti catholic innacuraceis when he was young, so couldn’t go catholic although he developed into an anglican with many catholic beleifs. As you can see with Gem, she’s been fed distortions first, and it’s hard to break through now and say they were wrong in the first place, don’t believe those sources. they aren’t even the correct positions.

      • Gem says:

        I honestly am surprised that you would trust a website for information about a religion. Catholics DO pray to the Virgin Mary and to the apostle Peter and other people, they believe that they are saints and therefore are closer to God, so if they pray to them their prayers will be told to God by these "saints". I have been in the very presence of Catholics as they pray to their Mother Mary. I am sorry, but you can’t escape the fundamental beliefs of a religion, and that’s exactly what you are trying to do. Catholics also believe that in order for your sins to be forgiven by God, you have to tell them to a priest who will tell them to God. I am not bashing Catholicism, I am just telling the facts. This is what they believe in, and have for centuries, and it can’t be changed. I am very close to some Catholic friends of mine and they are amazing people, and because I have been around them so much I have heard and seen what they believe. I don’t care if you have a different opinion, that’s totally fine, but you are not going to change mine, because I believe what I believe and that can’t be changed. But, seeing as we are both not Catholic, ((actually, are you? I don’t think you are, but you are very defensive of Catholicism)) I think we should just leave this alone. I know what you think and you know what I think, but who knows, one of us may be right while the other is wrong, or we both may be right, or we both may be wrong. I do enjoy conversations like these, even if I don’t agree with you and personally think that you have been rather blinded and don’t know what you’re saying. It is nice to get another person’s viewpoint on something. I just don’t agree with you because you are defending a religion that I think holds people in a unseen bondage and holds God over them like a menacing threatening being that will eat you alive if you don’t obey Him. Well, I am not that against Catholicism, I just don’t agree with some of it’s teaching. Which is fine! It’s a free country and it’s my opinion.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        @Gem, the websites I am referring to are not just joe schmoe’s home website- they are official catholic websites with the actual doctrines of the catholic church, written by professional fulltime apologists with doctorates . If you check the link you will see they are not private, personal opinions. That is what you are gettting from your sources, because you are repeating common misstatements. I am catholic and well versed in the official doctrine. My husband was a fundamentalist and that is how I can spot anti-catholic disinformation a mile off. What you have written in your last post is NOT CATHOLIC DOCTRINE, BUT DISINFORMATION. It is misunderstood and the catholic postitions are totally distorted. You are welcome to hold your opinions, but they are not the true postitions of the church. the Catechism of the catholic church is the actual book of the doctrines and explains what you are misunderstanding. Also, the writings of the christians of the first 3 centuries after christ is called the Early Church Fathers and they recorded what happened in those days. these sources will tell you what christianity at the time of christ was like by actual witnesses who were there. PS you dont HAVE to talk to mary or saints if you dont care to,it is not a requirement, and confession to a priest was established by Christ and is right in the bible ( christ to apostles: " whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven , whose sins you retain, they are retained)" what Christ himself has established as a sacrament, let no MAN put asunder–

      • Gem says:

        I am deciding to believe that you are a born-again Catholic, because I have friends who are not and they do believe in what I have said they do. Otherwise I would not have posted it, I am not trying to look ignorant or like a hypocrite. But obviously you are from a more modern, more progressive way of believing in Catholicism, which is fine, I am not calling you not a Catholic, I am just saying you probably wouldn’t agree with all of the doctrines of the original Catholic church if you knew what they were. You are welcome to your beliefs, but I’ve got to say though, you seem a bit wishy-washy in your opinions, for example, it seemed to me that you first said that Catholics do not pray to the Virgin Mary or other people they regard as saints, and then you said that you can but don’t have too, that it is not required…okay…please, I am not bashing your religion or trying to make it look bad, all the Catholics I have known have been dedicated to God and their families and incredibly dear people. But Catholics also are known for their uncertainty in their own religion, and unfortunately some of the things you have said have confirmed that for me.

      • Gem says:

        And might I add, I find your remark on Jesus saying it is right to confess your sins to a priest as completely hypocritical. That belief makes it look like as humans we are not holy enough to go to God and personally repent and talk to Him. No, we really aren’t for all we do and have done, but even still God wants us to be close to Him and have a personal relationship with Him, not feel like we aren’t good enough to go to Him ourselves and ask for forgiveness, that instead we have to go to a person who will ask our forgiveness for us. And what makes the priest holy enough himself to ask forgiveness on the behalf of others? I mean, if regular people don’t have the right to repent to God personally, why would a priest have the right? Do you believe that God has put spiritual figures in charge of what we each believe of God and our own spirituality to be a bridge, if you will, between us and God? God’s Son Jesus is our bridge, that is the very base of Christian religion, and to say what you are saying, that Jesus intended for another to repent to God on behalf of us because we are not worthy, is completely boggling to me if you claim to have a personal relationship with God. We must all guide our own spiritual journeys, no one else can do it for us, no other human can talk to God for us, or has the right to talk to God for us, because somehow or another they are more worthy to do it…??

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        dearest gem, you along with many others are being MISLEAD by the "spin" of misinformed non catholics. there was originally ONE CHRISTIAN FAITH. everyone believed the same doctrine. everyone was a christian and everyone knew what that meant, what the doctrines were, and were all in agreement and OBEDIENCE.. As time went on ,little heresies cropped up and were stamped out. The major assault on christianity that had a widescale effect was when a monk named martin luther who was known for his emotional issues (abandonment by his father, guilt issues-he would spend hours in the confessional and couldn’t accept he was forgiven, etc.) started twisting doctrines and stirring up problems based on his own misunderstandings. BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM. This led to the PROTESTant revolt- and you can see the FRUITS of his rebellion- christendom was split in two- just what satan would love. the protestant wold devolved into division into division into division of mere men trying to make up their OWN self-pleasing versions of christianity. You now have in the protestant world of today over THIRTY THOUSAND different, bickering denominations. This is NOT unity, and the devil LOVES IT! One denomination allows abortion, one abhors it. One believes in the true presence of christ in the eucharist, one believes it’s symbolic. one believes in water baptism, one doesn’t. one uses one version of the bible, another uses a different version. ONE HALF OF CHRISTIANITY IS NOW A DIVIDED MESS. Jesus left us with a shepherd to guide and lead his people FOR OUR BENEFIT-the only church to have existed from the time of the apostles- the CATHOLIC (which means universal) church. if you read the writings preserved from the first 300 years of the early church fathers (documents most protestants and nondenominational people don’t even know exist, never mind reading them) it describes the early church practices as being the SAME AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OF TODAY- 7 sacraments, an appointed leader, bishops under that leader, real presence of christ in the eucharist. Jesus wants all people to belong to the institution HE set up, NOT martin luther or other mere men.-
        You will notice the first tactic of misleading christians is to TURN YOU AGAINST WHAT CHRIST HAS LEFT YOU FOR YOUR -BENEFIT- for example, you have been given a free spiritual life coach- your confessor- who is your guide in the spiritual life. This has been somehow turned around in some people’s minds as in insult to God. ( i don’t need a go between, etc.)Your confessor uses the power conferred on him BY christ’s church to absolve you of your sins since christ is no longer physically present as he once was. It has nothing to do with the power of the individual man, it is Christ giving you the absolution. This is a comfort to those who understand this is a comfort, and a tool for those wishing to progress in the spiritual life. It is so we don’t HAVE to be alone, and we can receive the same power christ conferred in person. Historical documents recorded that this has been the practice since the time of christ and the apostles. this is nothing new, non- catholics are just not informed of it. If you reject it, YOU REJECT WHAT CHRIST HAS ORDAINED TO BE THE METHOD HE APPROVES. TO REJECT IT is to be led into arrogance and NOT HUMILITY, WHICH GOD LOVES. The saying goes, TO BE INFORMED OF HISTORY IS TO BECOME CATHOLIC. It is only logical to make informed decisions in christianity to start at the top, THE BEGINNING – go to the ancient documents of the christian church and what the practices were. it is illogical to start with claims of today and then work backward, you will be knee deep in error and disinformation and trying to swim backward toward the truth. And you will be caught in a circle of trying to inform catholics that their practices are wrong, when you are misunderstanding their practices and their meanings in the first place. You are being misinformed by people who have a vested interest in keeping you misinformed so they can have their own church/ business.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        @gem you have not stated your denomination – if you would i would understand your beliefs better, as to where you are coming from-

      • Gem says:

        I am shocked at your hypocrisy and self denial. I am completely fine with you having your opinion, but I just don’t understand you having the one you do. It is pretty arrogant to say that Jesus himself established the Catholic church. Jesus did not start any denomination, you, being human and wanting your religion to be the best of them all, have concocted that idea to make your religion feel legit, instead o0f knowing it is legit because it worships and gives glory to God and God alone. Just another strike on the uncertain, questionable doctrines of Catholicism. And I am so sorry for you that you have been tricked into thinking that you aren’t good enough to repent to God yourself, that you feel like you need a human as a bridge to God, and that that human is somehow appointed more holy than the rest of you and therefore holy enough to talk to God. That’s the whole purpose of religion, the whole reason it exists, is that God gave us His Son so that we could be forgiven of our sins and have a personal relationship with God. I have not said directly that I was against Catholicism, but I do detest any religion that encourages the thought that we as normal people have no right to have personal contact and communication with God- God gave us that right through sending Christ His Son, and to say that the use of another human JUST LIKE US is the only way to have our sins heard and forgiven by God is absolutely deplorable to anyone who believes in God as their only source of life.
        To answer you question, I have grown up in a Evangelical-Free denomination, but I really don’t believe in religion, because nowadays the meaning of religion has become what mankind WANTS to think of God. Religion has become about traditions, "holy objects", and most and worst of all, humans. Therefore, I believe in love. I actually will be honest with you, although I come from a Christian background, I do not have a personal relationship with God right now at this time in my life. I believe in His existence and the existence of good and evil, but I do not claim to having Him as the center of my life. But I do believe in love, and whatever or where ever I find that, that’s what I’ll believe in.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        @gem, to respond to your other statements- to clear up misunderstandings- you are looking at the situation in your denomination’s terms, which you are mixing in with your mistaken idea of what the catholic position is. The word "pray" is an ancient word meaning, to communicate- as in "pray tell, Juliet, yada, yada," there fore, you can "pray" to Mary, communicate with her, or anyone else who is with christ, as christ will allow them to hear you. This does not mean Mary or anyone else who is holy and gone before us is a god/goddess or that we are equating them with the creator of the universe when they are simply a human being who is on the other side of the veil. That is why it is aggravating for anti-catholics to go around in circles with us about ,"you worship Mary, you’re divinizing her ", blah blah. CATHOLIC DOCTRINE IS SHE IS A HUMAN BEING CHOSEN BY GOD TO BEAR THE SAVIOR, SO WE ARE GRATEFUL TO HER. For this reason God has given her many special priveleges, and out of LOVE she intercedes for us on earth. Jesus has revealed he wants her honored for her role in salvation history. She is right there with Jesus, we are NOT- so why wouldn’t he especially listen to her requests? OF COURSE SHE HAS MORE MERIT WITH HIM THAN WE DO, SHE BORE HIM AND RAISED HIM ! THAT’S ALL, AND WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT THAT? You don’t have to ask her to intercede for you before her son, but why on earth wouldn’t you, logically? It pleases christ to see her honored, just as you would enjoy seeing your mother honored. And it is an arrogant position created by the anticatholics of long ago to suggest one should be offended by tribute to Jesus’ mother. That way YOU have been conned out of beautiful relationship with her. Even Martin Luther had a great devotion to the virgin mary and wrote quite a bit about it. BEING OFFENDED BY THE VIRGIN MARY IS A TRICK OF SATAN DO DISEMPOWER YOU, because he knows she has been given the assignment to lead the charge against him in the latter days.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        @gem, — re: me being a modern catholic, once again this reveals you are misunderstanding. and if i knew the real catholic doctrines a
        i"d change my mind, and im being wishy washy- you’ve got all those things BACKWARDS- I KNOW the catholic faith because i’v deeply researched the OFFICIAL documents and don’t listen to rumours from anti-catholics/misinformed people or half-truths or out right smears. That’s why I say to you or anyone else (because i know there are a lot of noncatholics here who have heard the same mistakes) I am not a "cafeteria"catholic , picking or choosing to beleve what I like- I require hard proof and evidence that is well documented. That’s how i decided the catholic church is the original, complete christian faith. It’s either the church christ himself founded or it’s not- and anything after the reformation was created by mere men to please their whims. And re: priests- priests were established by God in JEWISH OT days- there is nothing weird about that- and he laid hands on the 12 apostles to be his first twelve priests of the new church. that is all historically documented,and those apostles laid hands on others, who laid hands on others and passed down AUTHORITY ESTABLISHED BY CHRIST HIMSELF. Once again, non-catholics have twisted this and appealed to men’s arrogance-"he’s no more holy than me, blah blah…" no one said he was more HOLY, he has had the sacrement of holy orders conferred upon him which gives him the ability to hear confessions-as christ established right in the new testament. If you have not had hands laid upon you and recieved the priesthood of christ, well, guess what, he DOES have christ’s authority and we do not.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        but the catholic church does NOT think you have no right to have a personal relationship with God, that is a misunderstanding. And christ set up his church it’s right in the bible how he did it. And we Do repent and talk to God on our own, anytime we feel like it, then recieve the sacrament christ established. It’s not : nah nah, my church is better than yours, it’s- what is the complete faith as experienced by the apostles.
        Well, I hope you get closer to God when you feel right about it, and i hope you are not going through a hard time. thank you for sharing that with me. I will pray for your happiness. Love, High Queene Shelly Belly

      • Gem says:

        Thank you for your prayers and concern, I deeply appreciate your words.
        God is a loving God, but also a jealous God, He is so adament about us only having Him as our God (the first commandment) and praying to His mother Mary is completely suggesting that you do not believe God is the one and ONLY one we should pray to. Mary was another human just like you are me, that was the absolute miracle of His birth. Yes we should hold her in respect but not put her in a place that only God should hold. The Catholic religion puts her in a place God says in His very word is only for Him. That is blasphemy.
        God tells all of us to go out and share His word with the world, that is what he told His apostles, He did not appoint them to a certain church like you suggest. So you are saying that Peter, for example, went out and touched somebody and gave them the right to be a priest and lead a church, and then that person went out and touched another person, and then another, and then another, and then another, and it goes on and on…That suggest that God is choosy about who can follow Him and who is worthy to lead a group of believers…the wonderful thing about it all is that God doesn’t choose who he wants serivng Him, all are welcome. In fact, he uses the weak and most undeserving people to bring glory to Him. All are welcome to come to God and serve Him. Another strike against Catholicism, there is a certain criteria you have to live up to in order to be a part of the religion. I despise that, or more importantly, deeply hurt for those deceived into thinking that this is the "God who loves" when their church tells them they are not even wanted enough by God to ask forgivness from Him.
        This is religion for you. People twist it into what THEY want to believe, which is why I don’t believe in religion. And I believe that you have created a sort of world where Catholicism is the answer to everything and does everything right ((hmmm, is raping little children right? I know this is a low blow, but I thought I should point this out that the priest that were supposedly directed and blessed by God to lead their religion are rapists and molesters) and thankfully for you, you have probably never had anything happen to you until now that has questioned your beliefs. Therefore your little world has never been shattered completely, but you can’t live in imagination forever. I just hope one day you wake up and see the bondaging and ACTUAL doctrines of Catholicism before they bondage you. If I ever one day believe enough in pray to believe my prayer will actually be heard or count for something, I’ll remember to pray for High Queen Shelly Belly who has "built her house on the sand".

      • Not Of This World says:

        I’m going to pray for you too Gem. I hope that one time in your life you come to know the Lord again.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        -as someone who has has 20 years training in the theology of catholicism , I can assure you there is nothing in the catholic church documents that permits molesting children. If you can find a passage in the catechism that allows it, let me know. If anyone does something wrong like that it is their own personal sin and it will be meted the justice of God.

        – If you want to discuss facts, instead of emotions, the insurance industry has already released their data stating the majority of sexual abuse case payouts is from protestant churches, NOT catholic churches. the majority of cases are youth pastors crossing the line with teenagers. don’t hear THAT in the news though, huh? this however, does not predjudice me against youth pastors, that would be absurd.

        – Yes worshiping mary or a saint would be blasphemy, since we don’t do it, I’m not worried about it.

        – As a matter of fact, I had an elementary school teacher cross the line with me. Even back then, I just realized he was a wacko. I do not now have a vendetta against schools, or teachers, or assume school and teachers are all evil.. And I do not let it stop me. I pray God does not send him to hell over it.

        – Since you are not familiar with actual church doctrine, I can assure you from the outside looking in, nothing of the sort is happening that you believe is. If you keep going around in circles on topics you are not even familiar with, but are concocting your own reality about what is going on, and won’t be logical and actually look at the REAL teachings, and not the distortions you have picked up, then you are
        unwilling to be openminded and unwilling to deal in facts. That is your decision and i will have to leave you there.

        -my faith has been thouroghly researched, which is why i joined it, my faith is built on the solid rock that christ established.

        For your sake, I hope you come to the realization God has left us the deposit of faith for our BENEFIT, don’t let man or Satan convince you against it. that would be a victory for the advesary, and I guarentee you he is enjoying creating turmoil in you to keep you off balance and bitter against what has been left to you by christ in love.

        -let us close this discussion. Best wishes to you-

      • Gem says:

        Thank you, Not of This World, I appreciate that. I am sorry, HQSB, that my words didn’t seem to show you how maybe you believe in something that you truly don’t know about. I really hoped to ignite in you a want to really go and find out the purpose of the Catholic church, which is to exult people who have no right being in the place of God, claim to have direct blessing from God just to make their religion sound valid when it really sounds rather selfish and wanting. That’s the point I’m trying to make, Catholicism is a wanting religion. When and if I ever have a personal relationship with God, I want it to be fulfilling and give me significance, and I want to believe in something that is the answer to everything, and Catholicism is not any of those. Unfortunately for you, you have not changed my mind about Catholicism, I still believe what I do- the true, cold facts. I’m sorry you were molested as a child. I really hope someday you find your way.
        Best wishes to you as well. I’ve really enjoyed discussing this matter.

  • This is the Morning says:

    The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader grossed $13.3 million in its fourth week for a total of $89.9 million. While it has fallen short of its predecessors, it’s a lock to become distributor 20th Century Fox’s first $100 million movie since Avatar passed that mark in December 2009.

    Hey this is good, right? I mean granted "Avatar" made almost 100 mil its first weekend but VDT has been consistent at least. I hope we get to see Puddleglum, Jill, and Eustace! Fox needs to come off some of that cash it raked in from Avatar and do SC right and just have a huge budget, just stay true to the book. Is that asking too much?

    • Anhun says:

      I think that’s asking an awful lot for a company to sink a ton of money in something that won’t make it back for them.

      • Moviecynic says:

        With all the underground sets I wonder if SC wouldn’t be cheaper to make than VoDT? MAKE Puddleglum a man in a suit so there are no CG costs. I know that VoDT really fell short in the US and UK but I am still hoping they find a way to keep the series going. It would be great if the movie could get 100 million in the next two weeks. VODT was a fantastic film. When people see it on DVD and TV they will want to see SC.

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        Moviecynic, I believe you are correct. ‘The Silver Chair’ could be made for less money, and still be a quality production. That brings up another potential problem, though. How will they present this, visually, when so much of it does take place in little to no light? The BBC production, which I love, is hard to use as a barometer because it’s shot on video, and, well, even the best shots look bad.

      • Anhun says:

        They can do amazing things with make-up these days.

    • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

      Good grief. It does not work like that, in any fashion.

  • Thyservant says:

    OH, the people who are responsible for the series, when would you answer us with a YES or NO? Please… SC… Anyway, I’m grateful that there’re already three Narnian films. I’m ready to jump with the YES or stand with the NO.

  • Anhun says:

    According to an article in the Guardian dated Jan 5(so more up-to-date than Box Office Mojo) VDT is doing better than PC pound-wise:

    "Meanwhile Narnia flick Voyage of the Dawn Treader is cruising along steadily with takings up by 30% on the Christmas weekend and dead level with grosses from the 17-19 December weekend. Despite opening with a lacklustre Β£2.20m, the sequel has quietly amassed a total of Β£11.26m after four weeks. Including takings from Monday 3 January, its gross stands at Β£11.83m, already ahead of the lifetime total for 2008’s Prince Caspian (Β£11.79m). Although clearly not destined for the lofty heights of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (Β£44.40m), Dawn Treader has at least arrested the steep downward curve for Narnia box office in the UK."

  • NewNarniaFan says:

    From the Guardian (UK):
    Meanwhile Narnia flick Voyage of the Dawn Treader is cruising along steadily with takings up by 30% on the Christmas weekend and dead level with grosses from the 17-19 December weekend. Despite opening with a lacklustre Β£2.20m, the sequel has quietly amassed a total of Β£11.26m after four weeks. Including takings from Monday 3 January, its gross stands at Β£11.83m, already ahead of the lifetime total for 2008’s Prince Caspian (Β£11.79m). Although clearly not destined for the lofty heights of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (Β£44.40m), Dawn Treader has at least arrested the steep downward curve for Narnia box office in the UK.

    • Anhun says:

      Jinx! πŸ˜€

      Seems to me that, in most parts of the world where they used a broad marketing scheme, VDT is doing as well as or better than PC. Whereas, in parts of the world where they used a targeted scheme, it isn’t coming close.

    • Anhun says:

      In Australia, it should catch up to PC by the end of this weekend.

  • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

    Looking at the numbers after 29 days, I think it will break $100 million, domestic, on January 17th, and finish with $112.5 million. Disappointing to many, I’m sure, but it’s actually fared a bit better, bang-per-buck, than ‘Prince Caspian’. $112.5 million would be about 80% of ‘Caspian”s domestic take, but at less than 70% of its cost. That *is* moving in the right direction, I suppose.

    Those of you looking for some hope, there’s a tiny bit. It’s better than a pokey thing in the eye, at any rate.

  • Dr JC says:

    Just some updates. N3 cost 150M to make. The P&A (Print and Advertising) buget was 100M. I found a references below that gives this fact. With 65% coming back to Fox/Walden N3 will need to get very close to 400M world wide to pay back its investment. It will be a struggle to make it but it is possible. Keep your eyes on the totals. I think SC is by far the most visual and best story of all the books so far (including N1, but that is my opinion), problem is it will take more FX to make it well. This could be a problem and a huge risk. They really need to focus on the story this time. The story for N3 was very weak but the movie looked and sounded very beautiful.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-ct-narnia-20101203,0,1708261.story

    • Anhun says:

      I think they might be willing to settle for less than 400 million in the theatrical run if it looks like they’ll make up the difference in DVD sales. I don’t think 400 million is going to happen.

      I don’t think it would take as much FX to make SC, but that’s just my opinion.

      • Dr JC says:

        Check out the dvd sales for N2. About 70M. that compares to about 350M for LWW. Of this, Walden/Fox would get about 1/2 at best (I guess). That does not help a lot. For this one it needs to happen in theaters or there is little chance. … As to FX for N3 — read the book again … giants, gnomes, snake witch, underwater city, it would look pretty silly if not done right.

      • Anhun says:

        You’re assuming that DVD sales for VDT would be similar to PC. Given that legs that VDT has compared to PC, and the fact that they’re releasing it on DVD sooner, it should do better.

    • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

      It won’t break even at the box office. It doesn’t have to. It will lose considerably less money than the previous film, and should reach profitability sooner, once additional revenue streams are applied. The numbers aren’t great from a public relations perspective, but, they’re good enough to provide a rational basis to argue for another film. That wasn’t the indication a month ago. The ball is in Walden’s court now. Not only to decide about whether there *is* another film, but to decide how to make it much, much better than this recent effort.

  • claireyy says:

    silver chair shall be made!!!!
    it seems that many people’s favorite book out of the narnia series is sc, so i think many people will watch it, right?
    do you think the profit of the movies depend on how much people like the book?
    (like lwd, many people liked it so they earned a lot of money. some people didnt really like pc so they earned less money)

    • Anhun says:

      No, that’s only among fans of the book series, which are a small percentage of the movie-going public. VDT is, by and large, just as popular as SC and it didn’t do very well. You have to remember LWW is popular and well-known even among people who haven’t read the whole series. LWW has actually sold twice as many copies as the rest of the series put together.

  • Alambil and Tarvis says:

    Since it was just released in some countries, the worldwide total should reach $400M, which should be enough for Fox to greenlight SC. By that point, it would’ve made just over twice as much as the production budget, which should be just fine for a studio that’s not as overly ambitious as Disney. Plus, you have to keep in mind that the budget for PC was WAY too big and that’s why Disney considered the earnings as disapointment.

  • Tribunal says:

    This Weekend’s Estimates:

    Depending on the source, VDT is either at #10 or #11. It dropped 53% from the weekend before to gross $4.7 million for a total of $94.6 million.

    http://boxofficeguru.com/weekend20.htm

    • Anhun says:

      We all knew it would go down, but that’s just pitiful.

      • Kristine says:

        This is sad. I knew it would go down, but I did not expect it to drop from 5 to 11. It may have to do with the fact that a lot of theaters, at least by me, only have it on 1 screen and it is in 3d. I honestly think more people would see it if it was in 2d. It is hard to justify spending so much money on a repeat viewing.

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        There are five large theatre complexes in my city currently showing ‘Dawn Treader’. Not a single one of their screens is showing it in 2D. I can’t believe that there is no option for me to see it as Dante Spinotti and and Michael Apted originally intended me to. Well, other than waiting until the Blu Ray release. I don’t know if I would have liked the film any more, but it certainly would have been less annoying. The compromises they made for the sake of the 3D conversion process made it look drab, out of focus, and lifeless.

      • Anhun says:

        I’m wondering if Yogi’s superior performance is related to the fact that it seems to be more widely available in 2D. At least it is in my area. Everybody seems to hate Yogi, whereas a fair percentage of people really like VDT.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        actually, i felt the 3d make it look lovely! and not tacky, with lots of stuff thrown at your face-

  • commonlogic says:

    VDT will make over 100 million domestic perhaps even by the end of next weekend. After the dismal opening weekend of 24 million, I don’t think anyone in the know would have believed it would surpass 100 million. It’s closing in on 310 million worldwide. China, Japan, Argentina, Venezuela and a few others could add another 40 to 50 million or more. With this and the remaining days to play in all countries, it could get close to 400 million which would be more than enough to merit SC; certainly at a 130 million or so budget. For perspective Golden Compass only made 70 million domestic but cost 25 million more (a difference of AT LEAST + 55 million in favor of VDT); When it’a all said and done PC may have made a total worldwide of 20 million more BUT cost AT LEAST 70 million more (a difference of AT LEAST + 50 million in favor of VDT).

    • LordEomΓ­l says:

      Yes, and please bear in mind that one of the reasons that Golden Compass failed was that New Line had sold the rights to the foreign markets before the release to be able to make a sequel right away. They counted on superior numbers domestically, which of course didn’t happen. New Line didn’t earn money on the film’s international gross. I don’t think this is the case with Narnia.
      BTW: I have to doubt the widely aknowledged P&A-budget for the movie. 100 mill. sounds excessive. Normally a movie will use around 40-50 % of the budget on P&A. I have a hard time believing that they they used 100 mill. for a movie with a production budget of 125 mill. Having studied a lot of similar numbers the last couple of years that doesn’t really seem to add up.

  • commonlogic says:

    Disney/BV so brilliant? Not so fast. Financially, relatively speaking (production cost to worldwide revenue), VDT is doing better than both Tron and Tangled; especially when looking at the worldwide numbers. Tangled cost 260 million to produce or 105 MILLION MORE than VDT !!! Tron cost 15 million more than VDT. It looks like VDT will beat both films handily in worldwide revenue. I saw the original Tron … ok fun, but have 0 interest in the 2nd. I saw Tangled and enjoyed it very much BUT had no idea, until a bit ago, that it cost 260 million to produce !!!

    • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

      Using worldwide revenue as one lump sum number as a comparative basis for actual performance is NOT mathematically valid. I don’t know how many times this has to be said. ‘Tron’ is doing significantly better domestically than ‘Dawn Treader’. Even with the latter’s slightly smaller budget and deceptively gaudy international numbers, the two films are pretty much a wash, performance-wise. ‘Dawn Treader’ will lose much less money at the box office than ‘Tangled’, this is true. But, ‘Tangled’ is also the kind of film that Disney knows how to sell a billion copies of on DVD/Blu Ray, from now until the end of time. Its long-term prospects are better than that of ‘Dawn Treader’.

      So, I don’t know how ‘brilliant’ Disney are, but I wouldn’t use either of those cases as examples of poor decision-making, per se. Poor management in terms of ‘Tangled’, assuredly, but, ultimately, they’ve still produced a very valuable commodity that will pay off for them for decades.

      Disney bailed on the Narnia franchise in a very panicky and weaselly fashion, I agree. But, you know, it was nothing personal. If they thought they could make more money investing in these films, they would have. It’s just business. Let’s move on.

      • commonlogic says:

        Nothing against Disney. As I mentioned, I went to see Tangled and really enjoyed it. Domestic numbers do carry more weight than the wordwide numbers BUT worldwide numbers have, in the past decade or so, become far more important than you seem to be implying. In terms of worldwide numbers it appears that VDT, which had a much smaller production budget, will outperform Tangled and Tron. China and Japan have yet to be heard. My comment was really more in responce to some VDT bashing comments and reviews I’ve seen around the web, not here; in general denigrating VDT/NARNIA, praising Disney for dropping it, and elevating Tron and Tangled.

      • Tribunal says:

        @common

        A bit early to speculate on the WW numbers don’t you think? Haven’t followed Tangled’s numbers but Disney has purposely been slow in releasing Tron in many countries. Currently VDT is out in over 70 countries versus +40 countries for Tron.

        And as mentioned before Disney, will easily make hundreds of millions over the next few years with all the merchandise, clothes, themeparks, etc. Something Fox cannot say.

      • Anhun says:

        Tangled hasn’t hit the UK or any of the major east Asian markets yet.

      • commonlogic says:

        Disney could make hundreds of millions on kids merchandise and what not, even if they had spent only 130 million on Tangled not 260 MILLION!!! Not financially "brilliant". Again, this is not against Tangled. I liked the movie. Well see how the worldwide numbers vs production and advertising costs add up in the end. All I’m saying is that VDT was a great movie in my opinion, and it is not doing as bad as some are claiming. Will likely surpass 400 million … and I think that’ll be enough for SC.

  • son of adam says:

    7 times! πŸ˜€

  • narnian21 says:

    Now I understand what it means when a movie doesn’t open up too great in a bad snowstorm. I’m going to school in Tennessee and a bunch of snow came through and nobody was out on the road. Schools and businesses were closed. It was deserted! I can see how that affected opening weekend for VDT

  • commonlogic says:

    Just passed 337 million. Has yet to open in Japan (big market), Venezuela and has just openned in China. Still weeks to run in the US and other countries. I believe it will surpass 400 million.

  • Embrace says:

    It hit number one here in Sweden is still number 2 for this fourth week. Hardly weak! Go forth Dawnie! πŸ˜‰

  • Embrace says:

    It hit number one here in Sweden and is still number two for this fourth week. Hardly weak! Go forth Dawnie! πŸ˜‰

  • freya says:

    Well, it has passed 337 mill now, so I’m thinking that maybe the China release helped. Japan still to go, so I think it’s a pretty sure bet that it will surpass 400 mill. This movie is a hit worldwide, and I’m tired of people claiming otherwise. Norway has a population of 4,5 mill people, 160.000 has seen VDT in the two weeks it’s been out, just to give you an indication. And why should Fox bother with the PC numbers anyway? They didn’t make PC.

    • Anhun says:

      I have high hopes for Japan. So far, VDT has done better than Caspian in all of the east Asian countries where it’s been out for any length of time.

      • Thyservant says:

        The Chinese audiences also hold two completely different ideas about the film: some said that it was childish; others thought that that’s what Narnia means, for children themselves and their family and for the childhood in every adult’s memory. Anyway, the majority speak highly of the visual effect. And it’s now at 2nd place in cinema.

      • Anhun says:

        Seems like here in America, there are more opinions than you can shake a stick at. I was hopelessly confused going into it.

      • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

        The film *is* childish. That’s a perfectly appropriate description. Not child-like, with its playful connotations, but child-ish:

        1. Of, like, or appropriate to a child.
        2. Silly and immature.

        It really is a kiddie movie. I kept waiting for Drinian and Caspian to exchange knock-knock jokes. Ugh.

  • Name* says:

    They should make a whole bunch of movies not related to narnia and set a little aside from the profit of each movie, then when they get enough money they should make all seven movies the length apart from each other they are in the books. Also they should ask the C. S. Lewis Estate if they could make the narnia series twice one more family friendly and the other more true to the book, thus taking care of both problems.

  • Queen Su says:

    I checked on the latest income and it’s now up to 337 million… It looks like it will at least match Prince Caspian!! πŸ™‚

    • Non-Negotiable Comment says:

      It may come close to, or even slightly surpass, the foreign numbers of ‘Prince Caspian’, but that’s all. ‘Dawn Treader’ will finish at least $30 million behind ‘Caspian’ in domestic earnings. A better investment, yes. A better earner? No.

      I also think $400 million is going to be very difficult to achieve. It would have to earn $112 million domestic, and $288 million foreign to reach that figure. That means it needs another $17.5 million domestically, and about $45 million internationally. Optimally… maybe. That’s really pushing it, though.

      • Duffleglum says:

        na, reaching $400 million isn’t too hard, but it won’t be the U.S. that will provide the push it needs.

        Japan will hopefully give us that push, as VDT has yet to release there.
        (It was the biggest foreign producer of income for PC)

      • commonlogic says:

        I’m figuring a modest additional 10 to 12 million domestic in the remaining 70 days or so, 40 million or so between China, Japan, Venezuela (others?), plus 3% or so from everywhere else will get us to around 400 million.

  • ifah says:

    I wanted to watch Last Battle
    I can not wait until 2017 because I was not sure if I still lived in the year 2017

  • Ben says:

    KEEP IT UP NARNIA….. I WILL BUY TH DVD AND I WANT YOU TO MAKE THE NEXT FILM> YOU MUST YOU MUST YOU MUST….