‘Dawn Treader’ Grosses $10.5m Over New Years Weekend
Happy 2011! The Voyage of the Dawn Treader grossed an estimated $10.5m over the holiday weekend. Box Office Mojo writes:
[Gulliver’s Travels] remained in eighth place and couldn’t top its 20th Century Fox stable mate The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, which drew $10.3 million in its fourth weekend. With $86.9 million in 24 days, Voyage lost more ground to [Wardrobe] but it gained some on [Caspian].
The film has now grossed $86.9m domestically. Its worldwide total is up to $297.1m.
Still no word on another Narnia film being green-lit, but keep checking back!
Hey, that is good news!
And better news yet: the total is now at $302 million!
Pray for a final count near $400 million!
They considered this to be the sign of a thriving franchise.
I really am amazed we are up to this total now!
Wow! It's doing pretty good (mostley overseas).
Praying that Silver Chair gets green-lit…checking everyday.
Me too…
Me three….
Me four!
Me ONE… 😀 sorry it's my favorite book overall and I HAVE to see it in film form.
I thought the character development in Silver Chair was some of the best in the series. Jill, Eustace, and Puddleglum practically come alive on the page. It's one of the darkest books in the series, but, at the same time has more humour. Also the metaphor is striking.
please elaborate on the metaphors/spiritual merits of this book, i have a hard time getting into it-
Well, you know how the White Witch is a metaphor for coldness and hatred of others. The Lady of the Green Kirtle is a metaphor for darkness and hatred of self. While the white witch turns her victims to ice, reflecting how some people are said to have "hearts of ice," the effect that the Lady of the Green Kirtle has on her victims is strikingly similar to the effects of depression. In some, she puts them into a deathlike sleep. In others, she causes them to shuffle quietly through life, not knowing or caring why they do what they do. When you don't love yourself as God loves you, life can seem pointless.
This is also reflected in the climax. In LWW, the climax is an epic battle. The fight against intolerance is often a large scale social battle against society's injustices.
In SC, the climax is a small-scale fight taking place in a locked chamber. Also, throughout the book, the characters struggle with their own fears and inadequacies, particularly Jill, who is arguably the central character. She suffers from claustrophobia, which makes some parts of their quest extremely difficult for her. She keeps "muffing the signs." All the same, Aslan loves her.
thanks, good insights- anyone else?
The Silver Chair MUST come out. I'm not as worried about them not doing all seven than only doing three. SC is my absolute favorite book in this world and nothing can change that. If it doesn't come out I'll just have to become a director and make it happen. Don't worry I'd stick to the books.
Yeah, I was pretty worried that you wouldn't.
I'll be able to sleep tonight.
at least SOMEBODY will- thank you!
Me as well!!!!! I haunt the website now for news. SC is one of my favorites!!!
Me five
um, i know this sounds REALLY stupid, but what does it mean when somethings "green-lit"? for some reason, when i hear that, i think of the white witch in the green mist tempting edmund. sorry :S i know that sounds really bad:)
it means they have gotten the go ahead to film it-
Me six!! 🙂
Good news! We're still making money! I read on Yahoo VDT made 5th place in the Box Office. I didn't see what place it had on Box Office Mojo.
It can only have one place lol. Doesn't matter who reports it. And yes it was in 5th place just under Yogi Bear which surprisingly had a strong weekend. (It rose 56% from the weekend before)
I didn't know if the yahoo one was official, but now that I think about it, it was a silly coment LOL 🙂 I didn't think that one through 🙂
I think Yogi is getting the munchkin vote. People want a movie where they can take the little kids. Tangled went up as well, briefly rising about VDT's daily, probably for the same reason. I wouldn't be surprised if Yogi drops dramatically over the next week, since it's getting thoroughly panned by audiences and critics alike.
VDT will definitely drop, it remains to be seen if it falls off the grid immediately, or ebbs away over several weeks. Today's box office should give us some indication.
All movies will likely drop next weekend. Traditionally this weekend is good for movies since many are on vacation from school/jobs.
@Tribunal: I know. The question is, how much of a drop? If VDT falls by 80%, I don't think that bodes well for the future of the franchise. Where as if it eases 30%, there's definitely hope. Somewhere in between is probably more likely, but who knows?
80% is a bit much I think. It's rare to see movies drop by that much on any weekend.
For comparison, LWW dropped 39% in its 5th weekend so I think a similar drop for VDT is in order.
hmm . . . might even drop less than that. VDT seems to be a lot more stable than LWW. Didn't drop as much it's 2nd and 3rd weekends, didn't rise as much it's 4th.
You forget that it's being released in China January 6th, huge market that.
Sorry, I meant January 7th. I had it mixed with the release in Argentina, lots of people there too though 🙂
Yes, I belive it will fall to. I'm guessing 45%. I don't know where in the box office they will place, but I think it will be like this weak. However, that being said, I think when they pull the movie out of theatres, they will have $400 million and we shall have a reprot that Fox has green-lit Narnia.
For Narnia! and For Aslan!
@freya: I can't speak for Tribunal, but I was specifically talking about American earnings. The studios get a bigger cut of American ticket sales, so that income carries more weight.
Few things to note:
VDT rose 10% from last week as most of the other films in the top 10. Mainly due to schools being out.
At this time, LWW had grossed $217 million in North America.
And Prince Caspian grossed $125 million.
Overseas the film dropped by about 50% from the weekend before.
I expect another $30 million from NA and probably $50 million from overseas, putting it under the $400 million mark. If it can pass that mark then Fox and Walden will probably consider another Narnia film. Remember, the VDT had a $150 million production budget and about $100 million for its marketing budget.
Hmm, I think hitting $400 million will be hard.
They claimed to have resurrected the franchise, even with such a poor opening weekend, so surely they'll be considering SC with much less than $400 million collected from VDT
I honestly want to know what is wrong with tribunal. He/She is systematically trying to get everyone down on this movie. Any news is bad news to tribunal. Listen, the movie is a good movie, that's just plain and simple. C.S. Lewis wrote pure fantasy for children, and overt supposition(if not complete allegory) of the story of Christ Jesus. The same is true of the movies. Now, while people(for the most part) for some strange reason didn't like Prince Caspian (though it follows the book very closely), it still sold $419 million riding the coattails of LWW. Note: I loved Prince Caspian. Voyage of the Dawn Treader on its opening weekend was riding on the coattails of the dislike for PC, which is the reason it made what it made on its first weekend. However, the popularity of the movie keeps going up, coming up 10% on its 4th weekend(by the way, LWW came up on its 5th weekend 30%, if you're going talk negative, at least get your facts straight).
Now, this movie still has 1month+ left in the theaters in North America, and has yet to be released in some foreign countries. Meaning this movie could still make very possibly $350-$400, plus what other people have mentioned about profit coming from DVD sales+PayPerView+TVspots. I mean, what you don't realize is that when Christians find out that a movie was made for them, the support is seen eventually; which is what is happening with this movie.
Another thing you're not accounting is that Walden Media wants, repeat, WANTS to make movies like this(which Micheal Flaherty mentioned himself in an interview posted in this website, again, if you're going to be negative, at least know all the facts). Walden media doesn't need a lot of motivation to make family oriented, or value driven, or Christian films. So my projection based on these things is that VoDT breaks even with production budget and marketing, and makes profit on DVDs and TV; which is more than enough for the series to be continued.
So to tribunal I say, be easy homie, ok? In love I say, be easy. If this series is to die with VoDT, let us mourn when and if they(Walden/Fox) say so; until then, let us hope. Moreover, for those who are confused, the fact that its made $300 Million IS good news.
Live on Narnia…
Live on Narnians…
What version of the book Prince Caspian did you read? :O
The movie deviated dramatically from the book, which is a good thing plot-wise, because the book was dull and flimsy, reading more like an epilogue to VDT rather than an interesting book in it's own right. In the 80s version, they actually filmed it that way.
Anhun I read the same version CS Lewis wrote. For a movie adaptions changes always have to be made, regardless it still contained all the basic elements of the plot, and a lot of the specific elements. Also, all the basic thematic elements were there as well, so it did follow closely. What some fans want is a word-for-word, or rather word-for-image adaptation, and a lot of the times thats not feasible.
Alexander, where exactly was I negative in the post you quoted? The first four points I made are facts, is it so bad to compare VDT to the other Narnia films? I never said that I thought the film was bad and you calling it a good film is an opinion, not "just plain and simple." It does after all have a 50% on Rotten Tomatoes. Compared to 76% for LWW and 67% for PC.
And I love how you tell me to get my facts straight as you fail to do just that. LWW had a 30% bump in its 4th weekend, not 5th as you state. I actually already mentioned this in a post made a few hours ago.
And lastly I never said Walden didn't want to continue the franchise. Why wouldn't they? It's their highest grossing franchise, but if it is not making them a decent profit, why continue? Don't forget, Fox is in this too.
@Alexander and Tribunal: I think there's room on this website for different opinions and perspectives. I personally loved the movie VDT and am hoping for a continuation of the franchise. Just the same, I've still been heckled for being a Negative Nelly just because I make comments that I consider to be common sense.
Tribunal you're right, I misread some of the information. However, I notice you not have correct figures, or at the very least have information that doesn't take everything into account. For example, the reason you can't compare these films is because of so many factors:
1. LWW is the Crucifixion story, that's pretty hard to beat.
2. PC was riding the popularity of LWW, and so made the money that it made.
3. VoDT on week 1 was riding the popularity (or disdain) of PC. People had given up on Narnia. Then Narnia comes back with part 3, and the people that thought it was dead, noticed it was alive again; which is why its made near $300 Million. Come on man! PC was erroneously placed in the summer, and was chocked by Iron Man, Indy: the Crystal Skull, Sex and the City, Kung Fu Panda, Wall-e, Hancock, The Dark Knight! I mean come on, PC had a monumental marketing error, and VoDT's opening weekend suffered for it. How can you not take this into account? I think you and the rest of you negative folk ("no we're just being honest, those are just facts") need to realize:
1. This movie has made $300 Million, in spite of the marketing mistakes of PC.
2. If/when this movie makes $350 million, the series would have made 1.5billion dollars, making it around 17th or 16th on the highest selling film series of all time. If all 7 are made, the series could be worth 3Billion dollars and be in the top 10 for highest selling film series of all time.
Those two facts aren't something to just glance over. And might I add, who cares what Rotten Tomatoes says, they have distorted figures all the time(the Passion of the Christ has 50% on Rotten Tomatoes as well, so please). If you want the continuation of this series, then I challenge you to do something about it, rather than sit there talking 'bout, "no, i dont agree, LWW made alot more than this…"
Live on Narnia…
Live on Narnians…
he is an underground agent of doom, planted by disney…..
…Right. And you're a close minded fangirl planted by Fox…
See, I can make stupid comments too. High five!
Alexander, exactly where in my post are these incorrect figures? As for the rest of your post, I won't even bother responding as it is just opinion and baseless what ifs.
Although, I do agree with you on Prince Caspian's release date. Disney went overboard releasing it on the date they did. Though it didn't really have to go up against The Dark Knight, Wall E, or Kung Fu Panda as those released later in the summer.
I don't know why I'm spending my time on this conversation….
C.S. Lewis wanted to glorify Christ with all that he did. This series was no exception. I don't why I'm sitting here bickering with you. May God bless you Tribunal, and may you truly know Jesus. I honestly wish you the best, and I apologize if I've offended you.
As for the movie, its already done well, I don't know what us Narnia fans are waiting for. I'd love to have all 7 made, but a 3-movie DVD box set is just fine. Just another tool I'll use to bring people closer to Christ. Because in the end, that's what these movies are: evangelistic tools. And if the Gospel and Christian walk can't be depicted and portrayed through Narnia movies, then please believe God will use some other medium; 'cause you can't stop Him.
Live on Narnia…
Live on Narnians…
Live on Aslan………….>
I stand by my original post and only decided to respond because you pretty much accused me of lying. But this conversation has lingered far too long. I agree to end it.
I wish you the best as well.
Aye! For example,the voyage didn't land yet . So we can consider that I'm in China,and we have 1.3 billion men ,at least 10 million men will see a movie on the holiday ,we can suppose that 500 thousand among them see the Voyage ,what a such great sum of funds!
I think it may reach 0.5 billion!!!!
Long Live ASLAN!
I have to disagree with you on your opinion of tribunal. He has stated his facts with accuracy and his assessment of the industry is spot on. That said I loved the film and have seen it multiple times. The film is by industry standards doing poorly at the box office in relation to expectation and cost. This does not mean they will not make another one it just means it is still an uphill battle. Because of Narnia's prestige it is compared to such franchises as the Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, all of which grossed over 200 million domestically and 800 million worldwide. I believe VDT will make over 400 million worldwide and I believe another installment would increase the boxoffice intake.
"Overseas the film dropped by about 50% from the weekend before." Aslan's Country is reporting that the movie dropped less than 8% overseas from the weekend before (the figure is apparently what Fox released to the press, so it is unlikely to be wrong). In other words the film is still doing well overseas and should most likely still have legs through January.
I personally think that the film is doing great. It's at $300 million and holding very strong, and it still has some pretty big markets in China and Japan where it has yet to debut. But even so, I feel very privileged to have had 3 of the Narnian books to make it to the silver screen and each one has been faithful to the heart and intentions of its creator. This may sound selfish but I personally don't care if everybody sees these films. These films are made for us… the Narnians. And if we enjoy them that should be all that matters. I'm proud to have made it thus far and hope that the series continues, but if it doesn't I'm alright. We've been given 3 of the best movies ever made and we should all feel very honored. Thank you all for being such loyal fans with me. Further up and further in!
@tribunal: I was only joking, crabcake-
Ahh I see you haven't learned the #1 unspoken rule on the internet. "It is impossible to write a comment so sarcastic that people won't take you seriously…" 😉 all in all I see that this conversation has been a classic case realist vs optimist, and honestly I don't think either side is too far from the realm of possibility. In the end Fox has a lot of factors to decide, possible benefit from having a seven movie completed set being one of them, people later down the line buying one dvd, will probably want to buy the second and so forth, but I think we just need to wait and see and influence with our wallets.
he called my comment stupid – a pox on his house! and may his ears be filled with camel fleas!
Not just camel fleas!! his ears are filled with rotten eggs and mountains of earwax, dragon bogies and overdue feces, not to mention dead bugs and bits of fluff from decapitated pillows!!
and may his first born child be a doody-head!! ha-HAH!
Keep making idiots out of yourselves, please.
Tribunal, therir joking. No need to be a wet blaket crabcake.
Be kind to Tribunal. She has a severe sense-of-humour deficiency. It's a crippling affliction, one that warrants your compassion, not your ridicule. 😛
Next movie should be out in the summer it's not doing very well during the Christmas Season.
But the series fared even worse when it was released in the summer.
No way. The Christmas holidays is the only reason this film did not bomb in the U.S. Prince Caspian had a good opening weekend but then disappeared rapidly because of all the summer competition. Because there evidently wasn't much interest (outside of the fan sites) in Dawn Treader prior to its release, even in the summer its opening weekend would have been weak. The difference is, in the summer the movie would have disappeared soon after opening. Because it was released in December, the holidays kept the movie in a truly large number of theaters for a long time, allowing the film to build up good word-of-mouth and for the news about it to get out. Thus, the overall domestic box office has been growing slowly, but fairly impressively.
Fox and Walden would be insane not to release the rest of the films before Christmas too, especially The Silver Chair, which has so much snow in it that it can be (somewhat) marketed as a Christmas movie. They just need to keep up with what they did this time in regard to Harry Potter; they need to make sure there is a three week gap between The Silver Chair and The Hobbit (getting out some publicity that plays up the friendship between Lewis and Tolkien might not be a bad idea either–they may even be able to get a bit of a boost from The Hobbit's buzz that way).
good ideas, lewis. their first mistake was making PC a fanboy movie, which necessitated it being moved to the summer action slot. thye could havehad dec. sown up keeping the movies gentle and family freindly.
I have to agree with the others. Moving pc to the summer was what contributed to its horrible box office. It only had one weekend to itself, and then came the onslaught of summer blockbusters (Indy, etc.). Vdt is still alive because of the holiday release date. If only they had kept narnia as a traditional Christmas release date In the mind of the public maybe narnia would not be struggling right now.
it DEFINITELY WOULD NOT HAVE struggled! this is the biggest muff-job of a beloved franchise i have ever seen. i am hoping, however, it was god's plan to get it out of the hands of disney.
It would not have suffered? Okay, this is a movie based on a boring, relatively unpopular book. While the overarching plot changes were an improvement, the movie suffers on it's own merits, not comparing it to the book series or the LWW movie.
Some of the editing decisions were just stupid. Because of the excitement over the LWW battle scene (which was unique and brilliantly envisioned) Adamson believed that "everyone wants to get to the battle scene." So he cut out some endearing character-development moments, like the picking of the Marshalls, and we ended up with a bloated, overdone battle scene that bored quickly.
Also, they darkened the movie unnecessarily, and targeted it more to teens. For me personally, it didn't hinder my enjoyment, but Narnia made it's name on childlike wonder and bright family-friendly magic. This teen action movie slant doubtless turned off some of the franchise's fan base.
All of these factors contributed to PC's "suffering." Not just the release date.
Whatever Disney made with the first two Narnia films doesn't matter. It's what N3 made and if it was profitable for FOX. FOX doesn't have to worry about recouping PC's cost. I think it's safe to say that VDT will make around 400 million give or take 20 million.
There have only been around 130 films that made 400 million worldwide. So the fact that the Narnia films have done that three times is no small feat and the opportunity cost is more than worth it. They'll lose little money on the downside and make a lot on the upside.
And remember the 3D conversion of the film added to its cost, so TSC and others can be made for less than 150 million.
There is little negative spin you can say about VDT if it makes around 400 million. The franchise is still strong and with the right casting could even be stronger. Whatever bad taste that was caused by PC has been corrected and VDT proved that the audience is still there and no evidence that it will change in the future.
VDT made 1.1 million on Monday, looks like it'll end up making 115 millon plus domesically.
$1.1 million on Monday? Is that good or bad?
It dropped less than LWW did (percentage-wise) the first day after the holidays. If that trend continues, it should make about 6.5 million next weekend. Basically, I would say it's not great, but it's not horrible either. I'd wager it'll pass the 100 million mark some time in it's 5th week.
if they were smart they would tell us how much they need to make domestically then we can go out and get it done-
I thought everyone knew that facts to a fandom are like holy water to a vampire. "It burns!"
where've you been, bookworm? hqven't seen you around in ages-
I don't know if this is good news or not :/
I'm still waiting for an article called "Silver Chair Green-lit!" to show up on here 😀
Well it's always a good thing when a film rises when it has been out for almost a month. Back in 2005, LWW gained 30% its 4th weekend grossing $25 million(which is actually more than VDT's opening weekend)
I hope Silver Chair is Green-lit.
I do too!
I want Magician's Nephew but any book will do except for The Last Battle just because they might change A LOT from the book
Yeah, realistically, there's no way you can successfully market a "family friendly" movie in which everyone dies at the end.
sure you can, pevensies die painlessly int he blink of an eye,they didin't even know what hit them. and kids of today have seen 50 thousand murders on tv by age 12, so its not like kids of today are sheltered. plus they get to heaven at the end. all kids have played murder videogames today- its not a shock. not to mention all the murders in fairytales-
Yes, but it isn't generally child protagonists getting killed. One of the reasons why murder-video games appeal to some people is that the victim is dehumanized. I remember my brother used to play Wolfenstein. The Pevensie are characters that children care about.
I don't see why, the deaths are sudden, the book itself doesn't really give you any time to mourn for them, and you see them later in the New Narnia, I can see them changing the story in some ways, they could bank again on reminding everyone of Lucy's 'look-of-wonder' at the 1st entrance into narnia by showing it in a similare way, they're riding on the train the screen goes black and then you hear the crash, you could simply cut to Eustice and Jill in narnia, and then later cut back to show the other characters in the dark perhaps the characters could walk out of the darkness to the wall of water we see in VOTD, the other characters could then allow lucy to be the first one to pass through the wall of water into the new Narnia, a simple added scene which would focus on the result not the death of the characters. Perhaps they could meet Reepicheep first (similar to the book) and have Aslan there explain that the end of Narnia has come, and that "We must go to help those true narnians who are left." I don't think this is too much of a change from the book and could be inserted at a crucial point to help build the intensity
i guareentee they will make it a wondrous transition, as opposed to a bloody crisis. it's all in the way you film it.
Not to mention, if Adamson directs, we'll probably get a make-out scene with Jill and Tirian. 😀
. . . jk . . . CALM DOWN!
LOL Anhun! Funny!
Yeah,let's wait for the greenlit of SC!!!
It will be wonderfuL.
Well, I emailed Mark Johnson as well as Fox yesterday. This is what I sent:
"I had a question that Narnia fans have been dying to know the answer to. Considering that the Dawn Treader has been performing moderately well worldwide, and is just under $300 million (with Japan and China yet to open), has any move been taken to start the production of the Silver Chair or Magician's Nephew movies?"
from Mark Johnson:
"The status of another Narnia film is up in the air at the moment."
from Fox Publicist:
"Sorry we just don't know at this point…"
By these statements, we do know that they just haven't reached a decision yet. I'd say we'll get a statement in February, about the time that the Dawn Treader film comes out in Japan.
Thank you very much, It's good to hear that they haven't made the decision against it so fast
must be nice to have friends in high places, and their email adddress : )
LOL Queen Shelly Belly, it has its ups… up here 😉 For Narnia, and for Aslan!
wow, you e-mailed them, Cyclops? that's cool. i REALLY like your picture, i love the colors. LWW is probably my fav movie in the series.
I don't know if I want to see a "green" light maybe orange?
lol
we certainly don't want to see a green mist… 😉
LOL 😀
What is the Box office numbers of the other movies? I mean, what's number 1, number 2, number 3 . . .
1. Little Fockers $25 million [down 16%]
2. True Grit $24 million [down 1%]
3. Tron Legacy $18 million [down 2%]
4. Yogi Bear $12 million [up 56%]
5. Dawn Treader $10 million [up 8%]
Thanks 🙂
I'm happy that Dawn Treader is about to cross the 300 million mark worldwide. I too think that if it can sail its way past 400 million globally Fox will be interested in continuing on with this franchise. This can happen; how the film performs in the month ahead will be crucial. And if SC is made, why not trim down that budget some more? I'm confident that a quality Narnia can be made for no more than 100 million. They'll just have to be creative! 😉
I was thinking along the same lines. Much of Silver Chair would require limited or no effects. Of course it depends if they make Puddleglum a make-up enhanced character or a CG-enhanced character.
The problem is that they MUST advertise SC better than VDT.
We need announcements at christian concerts, billboards galore, and narnia collectables in happy meals to truly explode the movie.
PC did that, but it simply wasn't a good narnia movie to excel like LWW.
My motto: make a GOOD movie, & THEN advertise it tons
Yeah, that was the major, major problem with VDT. It was a great movie but their marketing left a whole heap to be desired. What about merchandise? I've seen Justin Beiber dolls in toy stores, and I honestly think that kids deserve somethig better to play with!
And once they make a good movie, they need to reflect that in the trailer. The trailers for VDT almost turned me off D:<
Most people prefer Fox to Disney, I think I do too, but at least with Disney we had good marketing. Fox really needs to get their game together if they want SC to be a hit (if it is greenlit, which I am really hoping for!)
Yes, I could not agree more. The marketing at least in my area was pretty much nonexistent-no billboards, no posters, etc. I think the worst was the fact that vdt was not even included In any holiday movie previews. I remember looking thru entertainment weekly expecting at least a picture but there was nothing at all. We also had no tv appearances on talk shows etc with georgie or skandar, no La or NY premiere with pictures,etc. It is amazing it has held up as much as it has. I think it is a testament to the good word of mouth that it has not completely fallen off the grid.
I did read that the majority of the marketing money spent by Fox was invested in overseas markets which would account for the little marketing done here in he U.S. However, that also means that Fox would be pleased with solid overseas numbers and acceptable domestic numbers seeing as they spent more there than here. Also, VDT is the highest grossing film for Fox in 2010 and it isn't even finished yet so my euducated guess would be that Fox is already looking at another film but don't want to confirm it until VDT's run is finished. Considering that Japan's premiere is in February, I wouldn't expect an announcement until March at the earliest.
my motto- "don't disembowl a christian book, and lay off the ADHD meds while youre editing it"-
Pandering to the religious fanbase won't make Silver Chair a hit. You might as well just put on a local theater play with that attitude. Hate to burst your bubble but Christians didn't get VDT where it is now. The take is mostly from overseas and that is where it's future success lies as well. More marketing is necessary, but to a wider audience, not a narrower demographic. Besides, if you really want to get a message across as is the case with these books films, it's the untouched you need to touch. Ie, the unenlightened and wider audience. There's no point preaching to the already converted.
@Bob: I have 2 completely different points to make in response, so I'm going to say them in 2 posts. First of all, what's wrong with preaching to the converted? Don't Christian preachers do that every week? Calling yourself "Christian" doesn't instantaneously turn you into a saint. And you can say the same about other religions. Calling yourself "Muslim" doesn't turn you into Muhammad, etc., etc. Helping the faithful explore and think about their faith in different ways is an important part of ministry in a number of world religions (yes, I know, not all of them). Also, I doubt that the Chronicles of Narnia would be that effective of an evangelical tool, if that's what you're suggesting. Although the moral lessons are pretty easy to spot, you can say the same about much of secular children's media. The religious symbolism is much more heavily veiled.
Okay, on to my second point: I agree with what you're saying about not pandering to the religious fan base if you want commercial success. It's clear, in the way that they marketed VDT in America, that they grossly overestimated the role of the Christian audience in LWW's popularity here.
IMO, LWW got off to a strong start because so many people have fond memories of reading LWW and/or watching the cartoon. It had strong legs because it was an excellent movie, and it got great word of mouth.
Prince Caspian did not open as strongly for 3 reasons: The book isn't nearly as popular. In the intervening 2+ years, some of the movie-only fans had forgotten how much they loved LWW. And the May opening. It still had a very healthy opening, all things considered, due to those fans of LWW who hadn't forgotten.
However, the legs quickly fell out from under it. First of all, PC wasn't nearly as good of a movie as LWW. It could have benefited from smarter editing, among other things. Second of all, LWW fans were turned off by the fact that it didn't "feel" like Narnia. It was the kids from LWW running around in a pointless rip-off of Lord of the Rings. Basically, by the time PC had run it's course the Narnia film franchise had only a small fraction of it's fans left.
Walden, and Fox if they stay on, need to get wise to this. They need to market these films as though they are stand-alone. Convey a sense of the plot and the characters. The "Narnia" brand name won't get them anywhere. Neither will the Christian audience.
does anyone here remember the gross for a little self financed movie called the passion of the christ? the one that pandered to the christians? yeah, go check out mel's bank account with the billions of dollars. that's the potential when you DO pander to the christian audience with a film that IS christian. they WILL MOBILIZE. JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH LWW. you give them some watered down poo like PC and they have no reason to mobilize. This was a highly spiritual and blatantly spiritual christian book. this was the WRONG book to secularize. This could have been the wizard of oz of christian literature if they kept the obvious christian edge and mobilized the christain fanbase. the NEXT book, SC is the one they could direct towards secular audences and fanboys and fantasy fans.
The Chronicles of Narnia is not the Passion of the Christ. If it was, why would so many non-Christians get excited about it?
because, as cs lewis said himself, he wanted it to be read as a straight story first, then the subtext could surface but was not the main thrust. he wanted an engrossing story tat could be enjoyed by anyone.
im just saying if your property has a built in fanbase army who thinks it may help save souls so are highly motivated to help, why not utilize them. im taking about the passio'ns marketing plan, not the subject matter.
Agreed 100% Todd. This really goes to any Hollywood blockbuster, but studios really need to get their act together with these huge budgets they spend on movies. There have been plenty of films with great visual effects made with very low budgets.
Example? Look at District 9, it cost $30 million to make and it grossed $115 million domestically[$210 miilion WW]. There is no reason as to why The Silver Chair can't be made for $100 million.
ABSOLUTELY. and get a decent scriptwriter, that's the biggest battle.
Tell me about it. They've actually set up a thread in the forum where you can vote for which line in VDT was the cheesiest. Way too many nominees. It seemed like they barely included any of Lewis' dialogue, which is a shame.
We got quite a bit of advertising where I live which is in Fort Worth, Texas. I saw at least two billboards with Aslan on them. And there were tons of Narnia TV commercials.
i miss when LWW came out in 2005. there seemed to be a lot of advertising for that one and everyone was so excited, but probably because it was the first Narnia movie AND because it was everyone's favorite book. 🙁
i will admit, LWW IS pretty awsome, it's very artisticly done.
That is good! But I don't think any of the movie will ever top LWW. It was the first and most-advertised and well known. But I hope this tops PC!
Its understandable Susan, LWW was the story of the crucifixion, so thats hard to top. However, there are still some stories that have great appeal like Last Battle (the end of the world, people love the end-times stuff) and The Magician's Nephew (the creation of the world). With those two at least, I expect big box office outcomes.
Though like the rest of you I'm hoping and praying for The Silver Chair!
Live on Narnia…
Live on Narnians…
I agree with you. I don't expect any of the movies except for LB to top LWW. I want SC to do just as well, but I'm not sure it will. MN should be huge, maybe do as well as LWW, because of, as you said, the creation of Narnia, but also because the digital effects they will have to do to pull it off will be huge and absolutely amazing. And LB, being the last book and the end of Narnia, will be huge cause it's the series closer and the end of the Narnian world and the beginning of something so much bigger. Besides, it's much darker than any of the others, and I can see it having a PG-13 rating so they can get across how scary and dark it is that Narnia is ending. That will probably bring in more viewers and fans, because families and younger kids will still see it cause it's Narnia, but knowing it's more intense then the previous movies will attract more older kids and young adults. I really hope LB does exceed LWW success. Wouldn't that be the perfect ending of the Narnia movies to have the last film be the ultimate finale, everything else climaxing up to it, and nothing else being as spectacular as it.
plus. it REALLY concerns the fate of narnia- since they love to push that angle
Long Live Narnia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is greate news
Should I dare to get my hopes up? I so hate to be disappointed, but I'll cross my fingers anyway. Long live the Narnia movie franchise! (Even with its flaws)
here, here!
and Aslan 😉
I guess we can still have 'hope' that the franchise continue. Compared to Eragon or Golden Compass, Narnia has better and more solid fans. Another opportunity if they continue is the fact that Potter series ends this year and Narnia could be also the next consolation for fantasy fans. I am just hoping that Fox is not as greedy as Disney. I think Narnia movies has long term sales from DVDs…
IMHO, I am bit fed up myself, that many 'children' movies are pretty shallow – only emphasizing on (sometimes dirty) humor and uneducative compared to Narnia or Bridge of Terebithia. Many reviewers are also reviewing Narnia with 'prejudice' that it is a Christian movie while if Narnia series are assessed properly, I bet they would give better reviews. People should remember also that Lewis wrote this for children! Surely the movie is suited for children – not like Deathly Hallows which is more for teenagers! How many secular reviews you read that already 'bashing' the movie for its Christian values from first or second paragraph?
I read tons that are practically dripping with venom. These people have a bug up their butts with their issues and they take it out on the christian movies.lots of times they spend half of the review spewing about christianity and barely even address the movie. and how many critics laughed in glee that potter trounced narnia? as if they have anything to do with each other. why not compare potter to Tangled, for instance? pure predjudice.
Exactly my sentiment. It is very bias to read the reviews. I posted my thoughts here: http://hshandoyo.net/wordpress/?p=1194
i think HP and Narnia are compared sometimes because both authors Lewis and Rowling came from the UK and both are very popular fantasy novels for kids. i don't think it's fair for Narnia to be put down because it's more Christian than a ton of kids books, it makes me kind of sad when people do that. it really sucks sometimes, but, you know, you can't give up trying to make things better.
Almost 300 million. It still playing here. Then later it will go to the cheap seats. Then there's DVD sales. Critics said this would be a flop. I was very discouraged. But it's doing good despite that. I would have liked it to do better, but what's done is done. I want to see Silver Chair and the rest of the series.
this is exactly what they predicted, that it wouldnt do as good as LWW but better than PC. after seeing i knew that would be the case. im happy, this is good news.
hey, it's not doing so bad! I'm very hopeful *now* for Narnia 4!! 🙂 Hope so! Hope so! Hope so!!
Hey! I'll ditto that!!
It's doing great! I went to see it New Year's Eve with family and the theater was packed. Everyone I've talked to likes it and can't wait for it to come out on DVD.
Me too! I can't wait to get the DVD. 🙂
I think another Narnia film will be made. The budget might be slashed again, but they'll make another film.
I Agree! PC was a flop, and they still made another one!
There's a difference between not being as successful as its predecessor and being a flop. It still made almost half a billion, not taking into account ongoing DVD sales.
Ummm…PC was not a flop.
Yes, but it cost 400 million to make and market.
No, PC was not a flop. I was disappointed in the movie, but still, it did better than a lot of other films of that budget have done. It just didn't live up to the success of LWW, which everyone thought it would.
@Gem: What movies? Were they considered successful? Did they have sequels?
Also, in an article in the L.A. Times, representatives at Walden admitted that, even with DVD sales, they never made back their money on Prince Caspian. Lack of profit = flop.
PC wasn't the most sucessfull movie, but I wouldn't consider it a flop. It wasn't sucessful, yet not unsucessfull. It was average. (I'm talking about the money grose, not the picture. I loved the movie)
Please, please stop calling 'Prince Caspian' "a flop". This implies that the film did not perform well, when, in fact, it performed *spectacularly*, given that it is based on such a relatively uneventful book that only a fraction of the audience from the previous film even knew existed. Not to mention the major league competition it faced that summer.
No. You see, 'Prince Caspian' cost far, far, faaaaaaar too much money. End of story.
That does NOT, necessarily, make it anything even close to "a flop". From the *production* end, yes, it was a financial catastrophe fueled by greed and woefully unrealistic expectations. Two studios (well, at least one mouse-eared one) decided they could equate seven Narnia books with seven 'Wardrobe's. That is *not* reality, in any sense. 'Prince Caspian' was never, *ever* going to make 'Wardrobe' money, and to *increase* its budget by 25% was *crazy*.
Expectations need to be adjusted accordingly, money needs to be spent wisely, and the films MUST be better than this. There's your recipe for success.
see my comment further down……
@Non-negotiable: I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of the word "flop."
I agree with Non-Negotiable Comment- either people have different definitions of the word 'flop' or some people need to look it up 😉
Definition of the word "flop" from Dictionary.com:
–verb (used without object)
1. to fall or plump down suddenly, esp. with noise; drop or turn with a sudden bump or thud (sometimes fol. by down ): The puppy flopped down on the couch.
2. to change suddenly, as from one side or party to another (often fol. by over ).
3. to be a complete failure; fail: The play flopped dismally.
4. Informal . to sleep or be lodged: to flop at a friend's house.
5. to swing loosely; bounce; flap: His long hair flops in his eyes when he runs.
–verb (used with object)
6. to drop with a sudden bump or thud: He flopped his books on a chair.
7. to dispose (oneself) in a heavily negligent manner: to flop oneself in a chair.
8. to invert (the negative of a photograph) so that the right and left sides are transposed.
–noun
9. an act of flopping.
10. the sound of flopping; a thud.
11. a failure: The new comedy was a flop.
12. Informal . a place to sleep; temporary lodging: The mission offered a flop and a free breakfast.
In order for it to have been "a flop", it must have underperformed. It did *not*. It met all *reasonable* expectations. It simply cost too much money. But, spending another billion on it wouldn't have increased its business one bit, just like having a sane budget, allocated wisely, wouldn't have *decreased* its business, but *would* have made it financially palatable. The film found its audience. It was supported. It was *never* going to make the same kind of money as the first film, because *only* the first film had the "event" factor that its name recognition granted it. The other films will never be in that elite class of marketability. Spectacular adaptations *might* bring good returns in the future, but none of the other six books have the inherent, built-in "buzz" attached to them to warrant allocating a $225 million production budget. The financial mismanagement of 'Caspian' was clearly indicative of borderline delusional expectations that have, erroneously, created an altered perception of what the film "should" have grossed.
I do not say this because I have a warm and fuzzy feeling when I think of the second film. I thought it was a very good adaptation of a thin, little-appealing, less than spectacular book. Some boneheaded moments aside, they did a good job of making a passably entertaining film from a very inflexible narrative. It was ok-ish to pretty good. No, I say it because this community needs to let go of the idea that any film with 'Narnia' stamped on it will have the same appeal as 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe". It's the exact same disastrous line of thought that led Walden/Disney to collaborate on that obscene budget, and it's that same incorrect perception that led Disney to blame "a clearly declining trend" (of two points!) for their ineptitude and subsequent abandonment.
right on, non- very elequently stated-
No, Anhun, lack of profit does not equal a flop. Just because they didn't earn back their millions of dollars doesn't mean the movie was a trainwreck.
glumPuddle, I got a great book about Narnia for Christmas that I thought you would like. It is about Narnia (of course 🙂 ) and it shows Christ in Narnia in a way I have never thought of. It is totally awesome. And it's completely about the books. Not the movies. It is just fantastic. It is called "Believing in Narnia" by Natalie Gillespie.
In fact, I recomend this book to any Narnia fan
awww, i love that book. that's how i found The Lion's Call website, and then, of course, i found NarniaWeb 😀
yeah, i kind of agree. i really don't want the budget to get cut. maybe….i don't know, if they got a different film company and a more popular director…. as long as Will Poultler is still Eustace, I'll be happy 🙂
for Narnia(L)
It looks fairly good…I have a good feeling we will see the next narnia film..hopefully…300M is not that bad..and theres at least a couple more weeks to go…and btw how many countries has it not shown in besides China and Japan…it should increase more…and how can VDT not do that well as it is the most favourite book in the series..if its like this with this book..what about the rest…I hope I'm wrong 🙁
I saw this the other day on IMDB and was so happy!! I really hope they do make more movies!! It is still within the top 5 in the box office and it is 4th week! I think that is really good!
I'm really glad that it's doing so well! Hopefully that will continue.
But everybody who has been talking about the bad publicity — you are so right! My local theater had no posters for it. And they couldn't even tell me when it would be playing there three days before it opened. How could they expect that anybody would go and see it, unless they were very determined? (I was ;-D)
Just the opposite in my theatre. Narnia posters everywhere. There was also this huge Narnia cardboard thing that made you look like you were on the boat positioned front and center.
you may have had an anti christian theatre manager who wanted it to flop=
yeah, that would really stink, though. i mean, even though Narnia is very Christian, i think everyone can get something out of it ( the themes of redemption, forgiveness, loyalty etc.)
really? you should go to Regal, the place was,like, a Narniac's dream on the premier weekend. posters were EVERYWHERE and they were doing all this promotional stuff. i got an Aslan window cling 😀
i'm jealous- i only got posters
you think you're jealous NOW, wait till you hear the prizes i won for Regal's 'Create Your Own Fantasy Island' contest! (partly because i was the only one that entered 🙂 )
– three movie posters (two were mini, and one is the full size poster)
-Narnia silly bands (there's even a reepicheep!!!!)
– an notebook with Aslan's picture (the same as the one on the soundtrack)
– a t-shirt with the same aslan pic that says 'The Chronicles of Narnia The Voyage of the Dawn Treader' on the sleeve
-and, almost as cool as the t-shirt, more movie tickets!!!!! guess what i saw???
😉
There is still a fairly good chance of the series continuing, you can't argue with that 😀 Obviously it could be better, but it could be WAY worse! In my opinion, this is 'quite good'. . .
YAY!
I think it'll make over 100 mil in the states and 300 mil worldwide, not to mention DVD sales. This will be enough for a Silver Chair, though they will probably slash the budget to 100 or 120 million. But you can make a great Fantasy movie on that budget.
Some things we should insist on as the Narnia community: The studio needs to be sure to get a good screenplay written by someone who loves Narnia . . . and listen to Douglas Gresham! Dismiss his concerns and you dismiss the concerns of the Narnia community.
amen, brother narnian-
It's good news and it's been fairly well-advertised at the cinema I went to see it at and that's the main cinema near to where I live. 🙂 I'm glad that it's getting in more money than PC- it could mean that SC is made. However, I don't think it will top LWW because that's the most popular book that everyone knows.
I forgot to mention that VDT still hasn't come out in Venezuela & Japan, so it could still make a lot more money.
Voyage of the Dawn Treader is just about to beat Prince Caspian in the UK (a big market). Its at £11.2m and Prince Caspian finished with £11.6 so it will easily top it by next week.
According to boxofficemojo PC grossed 21.6 million in the UK? Not sure where your source is coming from.
Yes. $21,581,030 according to box office mojo.
Box Office Mojo reports in dollars. Davey's talking British pounds.
It should be a simple conversion…
On the edge of 300 million…great! 🙂
I've seen it 4 times, once in 3D. Too bad the only cinema in my town that shows 3D films has stopped showing The Dawn Treader. I'm definitely going to see it again and again, but in 2D 🙂
It's such a pity that they did hardly any advertising here in Estonia. Seriously, I haven't seen any posters in the streets or commercials on TV. Even the cinemas don't seem to care. Yet it's still rather popular, the hall is always quite crowded. I guess it's because there's no school right now (winter holidays for the win), so teenagers and kids have lots of time, and last week they showed Prince Caspian on TV, which might've made some people want to see the sequel. Still, I think it would be a lot better if they had advertised it more. I've told all my friends that they should go see it lol 😀
I am happy for Voyage. It could have been better. The direction certainly wasn't as tight here, and the score was certainly nowhere near as good, but I did like it's more intimate style of storytelling. It felt more like a tv episode than a movie, but I put that down to the book. Needless to say, my favourite three books are done so I don't really care if Silver Chair is made. But if that gets us closer to HHB, the last book I have any interest in, I'll certainly be hoping the series continues.
VDT is almost at $300 million worldwide and will probably make it to 115 million domestically adding an extra 25 million approximately. Narnia still opens in two huge markets overseas with China and Japan. PC made 12.5 million in China and 27 million in Japan. While LWW made 8 million in China and 57 million in Japan. So VDT should make an extra 40 million off of those two countries at the least. That's 75 million more, taking the worldwide total to 375 million including domestic total but still does not account for all the other countries it still has more money to make in. I'm very optimistic VDT will make it to 400 million.
wild-witch-humps! The Japanse sure push the box-office market! China 8/Japan 57 million for LWW?! Oh my word! That is so stinkin' weird that there's such a difference. China is such a bigger country too! Well, let's hope they help out Dawn Treader!! 🙂
Japan has been the biggest source of overseas income for all of the Narnia films. Japan's a very wealthy country. China is progressing, but a number of the provinces are still, for all intents and purposes, 3rd world.
My mistake. Britain was the biggest overseas haul for LWW, but Japan came in second.
Woops, meant 65 million not 75 million, bad math with adding domestic, China, and Japan.
I don't know if "probably" is entirely accurate. It *may* make it to $115 million, but that would be really pushing it. If you use 'Prince Caspian' as a low-end baseline, it had earned 89.45% of its domestic take after 25 days. That projects to a total of $98.4 million for 'Dawn Treader'. If you want to use 'Wardrobe' as the high-end baseline, it had only earned 77.37% of its domestic gross after the same time. That works out to $113.8 million for 'Dawn Treader'.
It's in the neighborhood, optimally, but not guaranteed, at all.
While it makes sense to use Caspian as a low-end baseline, I don't think it makes sense to use LWW as a high end. VDT's holds have been better than LWW's.
I have no choice. Those are the only two complete historical data sets available to use as baselines. To me, it makes more sense to use the percentage of gross over time as a basis of comparison than to rely on projected "hold" rates for an incomplete data set. Regardless, I do not maintain that the film will *not* reach $115 million domestically. Only that neither of the two historical examples we have thus far would support the notion that $115 million is "probable". It is *possible*, under ideal conditions. That's not the same thing.
I love how so many of us keep mentioning the overseas markets that haven't debuted yet. I mean, how anxious must they be to see the movie we're all gushing over? I'd go crazy if I lived in China, Japan, etc.
My cousin lives in South Korea and she was showing me how her church had a program for the youth group based on PC a couple years ago, complete w/ Narnia logos, music, T-shirts, and so on. East Asia seems to love the Narnia series for sure. (All the more reason to anticipate success there for VDT)
Well, I'm in China and I've seen it many times on the Internet through some so-called illegal ways(you know, in the mainland of China), but I'm stil going to see it in the following weeks three or four times in 2D and 3D in original and Chinese-dubbed version with my family and my friends. Though the film may sound childish to many other Chinese audiences but as the media know well how to tell it, I believe that many people are going to see it. And the winter vacation has just begun here.
i hope they make the silver chair i love narnia sosos much !!!! i am going to see it again hahha!!
Glad to hear the numbers are up. The marketing has been terrible, so it's a surprise. Fox seems to no longer care to advertise the film, on TV or otherwise. Disney, meanwhile, is overdoing it with Tron. People need a reminder that the film is still out there, though not be so constantly hit over the head with it that they get sick of it.
Ah well, it'll do what it does, but I think the film deserved greater attention than it got. I'm hoping they won't skimp on DVD/blu-ray and release an extended edition.
It seems that Silver Chair is warranted. I just hope the suits at Fox don't try to stick their nasty paws in it. SC is a darker book (visually and otherwise) and needs the right artistic direction at the helm.
i agree, even though SC wasn't really my favorite. I hope they find the right director (Tim Burton anyone?) that could portray the darker themes correctly, but also make it more artistic than VDT was. I really want Andrew Adamson ( and ESPECIALLY Harry Gregson-Williams!!!) to come back, though. or at least he could come back for the last one, since he started everything. 🙂
Walden could not afford Tim Burton, nor would he want to do it, nor would you want him to, if you really thought about it.
Not Tim Burton! I watched his movie 'Coraline' and it was kinda dark and disturbing. In my opinion, he seems to do really intense movies that are not family friendly.
I just saw the numbers on the box office drop yesterday down to $1,090,799. That's a drop of -68.7% compared to last week. We all knew this slowing down would happen this week, but there is still reason to remain optimistic. If we compare VDT's numbers (at day 25) with PC (at day 25), we can see that there is some positive aspects about them. At that same day PC was making less than VDT ($703,754 reported), despite the fact that it was shown in more theatres (3,065 against 2,948 of VDT). That is an indication that there is still more people/theatre for VDT. From day 25 on, PC was still able to pull out another 12.4 million domestically, and there is every reason to believe that VDT can do better than that.
While I can't say this is official, there is good news. I read on an Internet Movie Database board that someone had been in contact with Fox, and Fox said another sequel will indeed be lit if the worldwide total is about $400 million. I am not sure how accurate this is, but stay tuned for updates. We also have DVD sales to consider.
Really??? That is very interesting do you know or remember the link?
Unfortunately, there was no link. It was a report by someone who was in contact with Fox. Just wait and see if Fox releases any info on this; then we'll know it's true.
well, I can disconfirm that right now. I've emailed Fox just two days ago now, and they replied with:
Mark Johnson: "The status of another Narnia film is up in the air at the moment."
from Fox Publicist: "Sorry we just don’t know at this point…"
if I hear anything from anybody, I'll post it here. But there is reason to hope.
I had felt something wasn't right about that. We probably would have had a public note regarding that if it were true.
The Silver Chair MUST come out. I’m not as worried about them not doing all seven than only doing three. SC is my absolute favorite book in this world and nothing can change that. If it doesn’t come out I’ll just have to become a director and make it happen. Don’t worry I’d stick to the books.
It'll happen, I'm almost positive. I'm more worried that they will stop after SC, which will be horrific. SC is one if not my favorite book in the series too, but I would be devastated if they didn't make all of them. Although if they keep making them the way the made PC and VDT, changing them so much they almost couldn't be called PC or VDT, maybe they shouldn't. Maybe you SHOULD take over as director. ^_^
Let's start a campaign! 😀
I know right, someone ought to!
i couldn't get into it- SC_ what is it about it you like so much? just curious-
I think people either love it or couldn't really get into it. I understand, because in the beginning it is rather slow, but I think what C.S. Lewis does with the story is amazing, I mean, he takes a storyline that's rather unoriginal, a journey to rescue someone, and he makes it feel like you've never read anything like it. He adds his own signature to the story, I just feel like it is Lewis at his best, bending a typical, if you will, plot, into a interesting, unique, mysterious, threatening and overall wonderful story. And also the characters are great. I feel like they are maybe the only characters in the Narnia series where you can see so much of who they are and where they come from and what they are going through with C.S. Lewis wrote. I mean, take Jill for example. Lewis never writes about who her family is and what kind of life she has outside of school, but I love to think about it, about who she is and what she went through and is going through that has made her the way that she is. Except for maybe Edmund, and of course Eustace in VDT, I feel like he made the SC characters come to life like never before.
You forgot to mention Puddleglum! 😀 I loved how Lewis created a brand new type of creature, with their own peculiar culture. At first you think he's kind of ridiculous, almost reminiscent of Eeyore, but the more you know him, the more you realize he's actually courageous and noble. His relationship with the kids is heart-warming.
Well I meant all the characters, not just the kids. Puddleglum is one of the reasons SC is such a favorite of mine, but to go into how brillantly C.S. Lewis created him and what a wonderfully written character he is would take a much longer comment than I care to write. ^_^
OH! Silver Chair is my favourite too!
me too!
but why? what am i missing? it totally bored me and seemed so deriviative- and i dont want to feel that way-
HHB is my ultimate favorite, but SC is one of my other favorites.
Definitely my favorite book of the series as well!!!
These are official UK numbers, the reason I didn't convert it originally is because it's Britain and I'm British ;P
UK Box Office:
Prince Caspian (final gross): £11,653,554
Voyage of the Dawn Treader: £11,263,418
VODT will still make a few million more at this rate.
Regardless of the currency, I guess the important thing is, as you pointed out, in the end, VDT will have a better gross than PC.
Yeah it will be quite a landmark for VODT when it beats PC in the UK. Lets just hope it does the same in other markets. Its weird the way Prince Caspian did so badly back in 2008 but I guess it was the competition. I think Dawn Treader is getting good word of mouth in the UK as well as the US. I guess we're all just gotta keep seeing it.
Oh I see now
VDT has already passed PC's lifetime totals in Russia, South Korea, and Brazil, among the not-to-be-sneezed at markets. 🙂
Okay, the fact that VDT's gaining ground on PC is definitely giving me more hope. But the less than $100 million domestic total really bothers me. Usually for a film to have done "well," it has to gross at least $200 million in the U.S.
But then again, it's still only been a month, and it has yet to be released in some countries. The international gross I feel is going to be much more important to the making of SC than it would be in terms of other films. Narnia is more of a
global franchise anyway.
By the time it's pulled out of theaters internationally, it probably will have around $400 million worldwide, which is pretty good. This doesn't take into account DVD/Bluray sales, though, because it will earn more from those too.
THE SILVER CHAIR WILL BE MADE!! Keep on praying, people.
I think that the DVD sales for Dawn Treader will be better than those for Caspian. They're releasing it on DVD sooner.
I haven't gone to the cinema to watch the VDT. I am waiting (almost on tip-toes) for it to be released in DVD. Anyone knows when it will be released? I hope to buy it then! I am sure others will which will make a good sale I think. I so want SC to come up. Puddle-glum is my favorite character in that book! For Narnia and for Aslan!
I believe the DVD will be out around Easter, here's the link to the NarniaWeb story where it was hinted at by Michael Flaherty from Walden Media: http://www.narniaweb.com/2010/12/dawn-treader-dvd-due-to-arrive-at-easter/
I too can't wait for the DVD release! Long live Aslan! 😀
PC was NOT a flop. the audeince showed for a lesser known sequel in full force, they should have DROPPED the production budget for PC since it had less fans of the book and INCREASED the budget for marketing to aqquaint the audiences with it. They should have left it in DEC and they would have OWNED the christmas market for the next ten years! THEN, they made us wait 8 months to get the video!?! hello?? the money they made was substantial for a sequel, they just blew too much money making it to make a profit, and made crazy foolish decisions with their marketing stategy. WE THE FANS SUPPORTED IT!
Yes, I agree. I know hindsight is always 20/20 but they did go overboard with the pc budget. If it was not so expensive, then 419mil would not have been considered a disappointment. As much as I loved the landscapes of pc, I do think a damson got s bit carried away with filiming on location all over the world (at least according to the movie companion where they supposedly went to nz, Poland, Czech republic, Slovenia, etc.) I honestly think it would have been just as beautiful if he had saved money and did all of it in nz. It was vdt actually, that I expected them to film on location since there are so many islands. I do remember apted saying they were originally going to film in Malta nd Iceland which would have been amazing. I still loved vdt, but a part of me will always wish we could have had location shots instead of so much cgi. With sc I think the budget can be cut since there are no large battle scenes that I can recall or varied settings like in vdt. It is pretty much just the giants and the under land part.
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how much dwas the budget for LWW again?? I forgot the number after being so concentrated on VDT.
The production budget for lww was 180mil
i believe that if they make all seven in the series, itll make at least 7 billion.
yes, they got BBC version's LWW, PC, VDT & SC, there is no other people that has seen Magician's Nephew, The Horse and His Boy and The Last Battle live-action movies yet, so after SC, I bet it will become a hit!
TMN, THAHB, SC, TLB will become a hit!
Still a long ways to go.
Domestic: $88,017,196
+ Foreign: $210,235,758
= Worldwide: $298,252,954
domestic needs to be above 100, i,l say it should be 110 and foreign 300, then silver chair will be made. the worldwide total would be 410, which is close to caspain .
I saw it 6 times!
6 times, I hoep ur int he US, cos we need that domestic to be above 100!. 🙂 tell your friends and enemies 🙂
this is great! i just hope it doesn't decline even more. 🙁
Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. Matthew 21:21
We can do it guys!
will this also work if i tell disney to go jump in the lake?
haha. they might do that when they find out Narnia's a success without them.
I applaud this comment. It sums up everything that needs to be said.
So my theatre is JUST NOW getting Narnia on Friday. Oh well, at least our city can contribute to this coming weekend's box office now! YAY!
oooh! have fun! i'm warning u though, i had to do all i could to keep from bawling like a baby in the end.
The butler did it.
SHHHHH!
what city are you in?
So this is good???
while we're on the topic of the future of the Narnia movies, what if….
1. We get Harry Gregson-William's back on board, first of all! 🙂
2. Peter Jackson as director? or at least someone who is well known and has a good reputation as a fantasy movie director
3. work harder to publicize VDT ourselves! i mean, really, there's no better way to publicize than that. after all, it's narnia fans that got the movie made, right?
ok all narnia books have to be made into movies, its probably the best book serise i've ever read and im sure many other people agree, and they deserve to become movies, they have good teachings to!! but it will also not make much sense not releasing the other movies, i mean why only film a few books in a series and leave the others, its like the lord of the rings with out the fellowship or mabye the return of the king. the SC is one of the best books as well as LWW so it should make just as much money as LWW did, and in my opinion the other three are better than PC so they should make more money.
It's official! VDT is over 300 mil worldwide. Box Office Mojo is predicting that it'll top VDT's overseas total.
VDT will top VDT?
wooot!! yeaya!!
Correction: It will top PC's overseas total.
And VDT have not come to Japan.There are many fans of Narnia,so I think their works will be wonderful in this Feb.!!!
While SC isn't my favorite, I do think that with the right direction and cast, it could be an excellent movie in an artistic, cinematic sense. A commercial megahit like LWW? I'd be shocked. But if they're smart with their money, it could be worth their while to make.
This is good 🙂 That's 10 million more than before! Hey that rhymes! lol
wow this is awesome!!! it seems like almost everyone's fave book out of the series is sc, so i think many people will watch the flim and it might bring more money.
i <3 all the narnia movies! please make more and more and more!!!!!