New Set Photo of the Dragon Cave?

Posted October 19, 2009 10:12 pm by fantasia_kitty

MundoNarnia has a new set photo. We don’t know for sure if it’s for The Voyage of the Dawn Treader or not, but it looks like it could be the dragon cave full of treasure.

Dragon Cave?

They also have some concept art and set photos from an earlier shoot. You can check them all out here.

Thanks to Narniamiss for the heads up!

186 Comments For This Story

  • Empress of the Lone Islands says:

    We have news finally!!! It looks really cool, I hope it is the dragon cave πŸ™‚

    • EmpressoftheLoneIslands says:

      Yes, Finally! I have been waiting for some news!
      I really hope that’s the cave.

      • NarniaNut says:

        You know I’ve been waiting desperatly for news too but the first time I saw this headline there was already 124 comments.What do you guys DO???

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Haha….we have all been so starved for news that as soon as we saw a new update, we all kind of jumped on it at once….lol πŸ˜€

      • NarniaNut says:

        But how do you SEE them so early?!

      • Fire Fairy says:

        It’s called we check NarniaWeb 25 times a day, get disappointed when there’s no news, write two or three comments, check again, get disappointed because nobody’s had time to respond, check again… πŸ˜‰

      • Princess Arya says:

        Fire Fairy — you’ve about described me literally. I probably should "get a life."

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        I am not quite /that/ excessive, but I guess that I am a twin of yours Princess Arya. πŸ˜€

      • NarniaNut says:

        Ah.
        I understand.

      • NarniaLuver4Ever says:

        Wow! Fire Fairy that’s me exactly! My parents think I’m crazy, because I check NarniaWeb several times a day. They’re like "What could possibly have happened in the last two hours?!" And my mom thought I was the only one… lol

      • Princess Arya says:

        NarniaLuv4Ever — before I got on NarniaWeb I thought I was the only one who is such a fanatic, and I told my mom so! She said that I can’t be the only one. Behold, she was right! πŸ˜€

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        No, you are not the only one….I am on here alot too! That is funny! πŸ˜€ I guess we are truly Narnia Nuts! haha…

      • Princess Arya says:

        Lol! I need a new "Narnia-Nut"-like screenname. I’m not as big on Eragon as my name implies about me!

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        That’s what your name is from! I thought it sounded familiar….well, now I know. πŸ˜€ btw…the fact that we comment so much on this website shows that we are all Narnia Nuts at heart. lol πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

      • NarniaNut says:

        Thus my user name,narniafan4ever!!!!
        Glad I’m not the only one! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Yeah, I totally have a NarniaWeb shortcut on my favorites bar… My Dad actually blocked NarniaWeb with parental controls for a while because he felt I was being too obsessive and wasting my time… :S
        But, yeah, the one of the reasons I didn’t choose a Narnia name is because I didn’t want to be like everybody else. At least it’s not from some other movie or something, because Narnia is definitely #1 on my list. πŸ˜€

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        haha….I have Narnia Web as my home page! lol. πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

      • Lucy&Reepicheep says:

        No don’t change your name Princess Arya, I like it, I like Eragon too(actually I love the books)

    • Starlily says:

      I know, I’m starving for news! It seems like forever since the flood of spy videos and pictures. It feels like the Dawn Treader just dropped off the face of the earth. Ah, well, I guess it’s a good test of my patience. πŸ™‚

    • Bother Eustace says:

      First news in weeks! I was nearly going insane!

    • JadistarkilleR says:

      could very well be. and if you look at the sketches, the top sketch looks to match the cave set.

      • icarus says:

        Unfortunatley the concept sketches arent of anything. They are just randomly picked out of John Dickenson’s website from a bunch of other sketches it seems. He has done loads of other sketches of reepicheep-looking mice which are clearly completley unrelated to Narnia ( i.e. this one here: http://jdickensonart.com/gallery/sketches/index.php?directory=.&currentPic=51 )

        Also, if you read the comments section on MundoNarnia, a user called Cyclops says they have received confirmation from the artist that they are totally unrealted to the movie.

      • JadistarkilleR says:

        a couple of those are defo Reep Icarus, either that or Dickenson is ripping off Baynes lol! they may not be related to VDT, but they are defo Narnia related. the similarity is much to obvious to deny.

      • JadistarkilleR says:

        btw, i dont think any of the Narnia related art work on Dickenson’s site are top secret, otherwise he wouldnt have uploaded them for all to see. whether or not he admits to any of his artwork as being related to the current or future filming, thtas up to him and his confid clause.

      • icarus says:

        True, but there is absolutely no way that the picture i linked above has anything to do with any of the Narnia movies, even though the mouse in the purse has a reep-style feather and sword on him. And since that isnt Narnia, there is no reason to assume any of the other ones are Narnia related too, unless it can be proven beyond absolute doubt, which it can’t. I would be more inclined to believe that the pictures in his sketch folder are simply just sketches, done for his own amusement, and thus he can draw whatever he likes, which seemingly he has.

    • Silver the Wanderer says:

      YES NEWS!!! I was starving. I do hope this is from VDT – it definately looks like dragon cave.

    • Lillyput90 says:

      Yep, that sums it up!!!! I almost jumped out of my chair when I got onto the website and saw something new in the news stream!

    • true-narnian_queen says:

      I know finally we get some News!!!!!! For a while there i thought they had called the movie off!!!!!LOL!!!!

  • Princess Arya says:

    AH! AH! AH! We have news! Finally!!! *tries to compose self* Yes, yes. Very neat. I hope it is for VDT too.

  • Narniamiss says:

    I really hope it is also. If you look closely at this picture, you will see what looks like a treasure chest and some gold items on the bottom.

    • Starlily says:

      Oooh, you’re right! If it is the dragon cave, it’s looking good! And that would mean they’re keeping the old dragon and the treasure and everything in the movie, which is good.

    • WillMoseleyandSkandarcrush! says:

      It could be that Goldwater place where the water turns things into gold. But it’s most likely to be the dragon cave. Besides, I doubt they’re already at the Goldwater part. And FINALLY news! I feel like I’m 70. It’s been so long. I hope more news comes quickly!

  • 7chronicles says:

    Finally!!!!!!!!!! News!!!!!!!, I got spoiled with all the video’s from Australia. I hope this is for Dawn Treader. The only other movie I could think that this could be used for would be Prince of Persia, I’m not evern sure if their done filming that though. Anyways, glad to get some news!

    • narniafan4ever says:

      haha…I think we all got spoiled. Just look at most of the comments….(people freaking out cause we finally have news….) lol πŸ˜€

  • GlimGlum says:

    That would be nice if it is. Definitely want that scene to be in VDT. Keep sailing on cast and crew!

  • Sammie says:

    I’m just stupid, but is the cave unfinished, or is this just the outside of the cave they’re filming?

    Loved the other photos, especially the ones of the WWII/late 40s scenes (presumably from before the entry into Narnia). I really like how the new films have included period visuals, letting us see Lewis’ context for the Pevensies’ (and Eustace’s) situation.

    And so lovely to finally have news. Between filming at Cleveland Point and all the Barnes interviews for "Dorian Gray," I got so spoiled in terms of new news. πŸ™‚

  • Going4God says:

    Yes, I really do think it’s for VODT!!! I mran, what else could it be for???

  • yeswelovenarnia says:

    WOW!!!!! news!!!! finally!!!!! I really hope it is for VDT!!!!

  • greenbird37 says:

    Good to have some news again! Very nice!

  • Mark Friedrich says:

    I told you we would get pictures an news

  • narnia_lover127 says:

    o this is soo exciting!! finally some more news!

  • Giuliano says:

    News finally!!!!!

  • Eden says:

    NEWS! NEEEEEWWWWWSSSSSSS!!!!! FINALLY!
    *coughs sheepishly* Erm, yes…. Anyways, I an SOOO glad we finally got some news, cause honestly I felt like I was in the middle of a desert where news would be water and no news would be… me dead. XD

    Nice pictures, I wonder what scene the cave is for. But why don’t you guys think the cave pic is for VotDT? It was in an article-thingy with other pics from the DT, so I kinda assumed it was from there too.

  • Narniabigfan says:

    NEWS!!!!!FINALLY! I was like dying for new news!!!And now,here it is!
    And hope that would be Cave in VDT.

  • NarniaLuver4Ever says:

    Yay! I know everyone else has already said this but: WE HAVE NEWS!!!!!!! THANK HEAVENS!!! Anyway, I think that this could definitely be the dragon cave, because you can see what appears to be gold and a treasure chest in the cave if you look closely. Go Narnia!

  • Braden Woodburn says:

    Yay finally an update! Been awhile! But yeah, it does sorta look like a cave. Maybe the one that Eustace was in with that dragon! Anyways, good to see something new!

  • Bother Eustace says:

    If that’s not a dragon cave, I don’t know what is. There’s gold and treasure spewing out of it!

  • marcuydr says:

    finally news!!

  • Frodo Fan says:

    YAY! The first bit of news in weeks! Wow, that picture of the supposed dragon cave looks really cool! I hope it is for VDT.

    • narnian resident says:

      hey i love your username! im a sam fan! lol! and aragorn fan, and legolas fan, and pippin fan, and gandalf fan, and merry fan, and gimli fan, and eowyn fan, and arwen fan, and faramir fan……im sorry i could go on forever! πŸ™‚

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        How about we just call you a Lord of the Rings fan! lol I love LOTR, too! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

  • Mark Hunt says:

    This is good. I though its not how I imagined the cave. Then again I would like to see more angles and other photo shots of this set-piece.

    To Narnia and the North!!!!!!!

    • WillMoseleyandSkandarcrush! says:

      I agree. Not what I imagined. I’m gonna pray hard for this to get good and no spoiled up like PC.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Same for me, but it almost seems better than what I imagined…

        Oh, well. Enough speculation. It’ll end up the way it’ll end up, so no use getting worked up over what might be…

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Right on, Fire Fairy! You said it.

    • narnian resident says:

      it looks small too. perhaps a miniature?

      • Fire Fairy says:

        That was what I thought. There’s no way any actor’s could fit. Besides, they used a lot of miniatures in the first two movies. A definite possibility.

      • JadistarkilleR says:

        its not a miniature (thats the Movieworld Studios backlot).
        its just the cave entrance, or perhaps a small part of the cave where actors will be interacting. they can always add the rest of the structure in post production

  • Starlily says:

    Hey, can anyone read the words above and below the photos? Does anyone know Spanish, or whatever language it’s in? It probably doesn’t say anything important, but still…

    • Long Live King Skandar says:

      It isn’t in Spaninsh, it’s in Portugese. I think I heard that MundoNarnia was a Portugese site, but don’t quote me on this. But since they’re similar, I can tell that the paragraphs above and below the pics are just summarizing the plot released by Fox/Walden and the release date/cast of major characters(below) and summarizing what they’ve filmed so far (above), like locations, nothing really specific. Actually, I think it’s mentioned that some of the scenes in the concept art were of the scenes before the Pevensies and Eustace enter Narnia. But the person writing keeps saying he/she doesn’t know if it’s related to VDT, but it’s safe to guess so. I wish they had more info to give all of us Narnia nuts:) but I’m so grateful for the pics now I dont know what to do with myself…*cheers*

    • Eden says:

      Here is a very rough translation:

      "VotDT is filming inside a studio and therefore we are not getting much news. While I was looking for something, I found a photo of the set of the movie that is not on the ship set. Unfortunately, it does not show anything important.

      I found another photo of a set but there is no confirmation one is for Voyage. It seems a large place with metal objects spread around the ground that, although it will go away for the movie (not sure what this means), goes together with the scenery of Dragon Island or even with Deathwater Island. This scenery could be what was described in a previous report.

      A photo of Ben Barnes behind the scenes of the filming in Redland, Cleveland Point – Gold Coast, which was taken in the set of the ship.

      To finish, some drawings that I found on the site of one of the concept artists for the movie (there is no confirmation if the drawings are connected with Voyage of the Dawn) and a few photos that I do not remember if I showed before; they show one of the first days of the filming of the movie in which they filmed scenes that would go on before the Pevensie and Eustace get into Narnia."

      Hope this helps!

      • Fire Fairy says:

        That helps a LOT. It answers some of the previous questions about whether the concept world was really for VDT or not. Thank you!

      • JadistarkilleR says:

        yes definitely helps a great deal. thanks for translating Eden! πŸ™‚

      • Eden says:

        Oh, well I’m glad it helped! Hopefully I didn’t translate it wrong…. πŸ™ But I’m pretty sure I got at least the basic meaning right. πŸ˜‰

    • Starlily says:

      Thank you King Skandar and Eden! That was very helpful. πŸ™‚

  • narniafan4ever says:

    NEWS!!!!!!!!!!! horray!!!!! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ I am so happy! That is really neat. At least we might have an idea of what scene they are filming now. πŸ˜€

  • Aunt Letty says:

    MundoNarnia is our new hero! Three cheers!

  • Reepicheep775 says:

    Finally! It looks like the news blackout is coming true, just like the Susan/Caspian romance before it.

  • Narnia Lover says:

    NEWS!!!!! It looks cool! I wish we knew for sure what it was!

  • De says:

    Finally news!!!!!

  • Narnia Is My Life says:

    Finally I was about to go insane because there hasn’t been any news for ages!!!
    Anyway i really hope it is the cave!!

  • narniaismylife says:

    its most likely to be for vdt

  • Lucy&Reepicheep says:

    it probably is for Narnia, which is sooooooooooooooooooo cool.
    sail on VDT

  • tenthofthatname says:

    Finally some news! Loving the picture of Ben too and presumably Caspian’s ring.

    • Aunt Letty says:

      what? Where?

    • WillMoseleyandSkandarcrush! says:

      It’s probably just a ring like we wear for fun. Nothing serious like marriage though. Well… let’s hope not. They’re not filming Ramadu’s daughter YET! they can’t be that far in filming. And Ben is not married. If he is, WHY DIDN’T I KNOW?!?!?!?!
      PS. I do NOT have a crush on him. I ONLY like William M. and Skandar K. possibly Josh Hutcherson, but not as much as Will and Skandy.

      • Starlily says:

        Even if he does have rings, they’re probably rings that kings wear to show their power. King rings. πŸ™‚ In history, rings don’t always have to mean marriage. Like you said, they can be just for dress up. I wonder if he wears them all through the movie? I would think they’d get in the way…

      • tenthofthatname says:

        I think the same as Starlily, it’s a ring to signify his royalty or some such. He’s wearing it in another one of his King Caspian photos, the costume with the brown coat that has slashed sleeves.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Interesting. Does this ring on Caspian’s finger have any significance with the upcoming movie? Or are we simply over-analyzing a mere accessory that Ben Barnes decided to wear on a random day? Both are very possible (especially since we Narnia nuts over-analyze every little bit of news…). I would guess it’s part of his costume, just because he’s in costume in the picture.

      • tenthofthatname says:

        Fire Fairy: I think it’s part of his costume too, which is nice to see but I am a costume nut so it’s one of those things I fall for. It would be nice if it has a backstory but it’s not required. I just love seeing Caspian looking kingly in some way, shape, or form.

      • JadistarkilleR says:

        its a costume ring. its part of King Caspian’s overall look. he switches costumes but a few things are part of the "standard" Caspian attire– the ring, long hair (worn lose or half tied), the sword Rhindon (except for that one time we saw when it was with Edmund) and black boots.

        i’m a little iffy with the addition of the ring, mostly because King Caspian is swerving a little too close to the Strider-look already (which in all honesty, it cant be helped). but the ring is kinda unnecessary, unless of course they added something about it in the story.

        my friend just mentioned to me… Captain Jack Sparrow has a large ring on his index finger too. and it looks similar to that (green/blue with a silver band). ohhh boy, and i was really hoping they would distance themselves from anything POTC related.

      • tenthofthatname says:

        JadistarkilleR: I agree with you he has a Strider look going for him which disappointed me at first because I really enjoyed his younger look as Prince Caspian. I didn’t feel a beard was necessary and the wavy extensions will be missed, but at the same time he does carry the look well and it definitely makes him look older, more than three years in my opinion. But then again I am one of those people who thought he looked 17 in PC. Now he looks mid to late 20s, not that I mind. Hopefully the ring is something to signify kingship. I looked through my folder of VDT set pictures and so far that ring is the only piece of jewelry I’ve seen on him between two different costumes. The copyrighted photos of him in the wine colored coat are my favorite but his left hand is obscured in all of them sigh. I noticed Lucy carrying her cordial but there’s a Telmarine hilt at Edmund’s side in those photos, Rhindon’s ownership continues to baffle.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        I love the costume element, too, being a professional, as it were. The ring, as others have speculated, looks very much like a signet ring such as a person of rank would wear long ago. As such, it works as an important symbol of his royalty. But, it’s also the sort of thing he might leave behind as proof of Trumpkin’s official stewardship. It would be funny, though, if it just happened to be something Ben Barnes picked up in a shop that day and decided to wear. Not likely, since he’s in costume.

        I was thinking he’s got this whole Orlando Bloom resemblance going on…(shudder!) is it just me?

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        I was thinking that took, Aunt Letty! That’s too funny!

      • Princess Arya says:

        I didn’t see the pic you all were talking about so I looked again. AKK! Caspian’s hair looks CREEPILY like Strider…and with the addition of the beard….AKK x 2!

        I just hope that they aren’t doing it intentionally. If they aren’t, I have nothing wrong with the costume. He seems to look kingly to me, but if they are doing it to intentionally remind one of LOTR…UGGHH!

        I’m not too concerned about the ring. Surely it’s just a royalty ring of some kind. Anyway, I can just imagine Ben wearing it for whatever little reason, and then of course here go we NarniaWebbers analyzing it! Haha at that.

      • Starlily says:

        Yeah, Caspian is starting to look like an Orlando Bloom/Aragorn mix. I think he looks good and everything, I just hope it won’t look too obvious in the movie. :S We don’t want anyone thinking Narnia is trying to copy the Pirates movies, or LOTR.

  • Glenstorm the Great says:

    cool! I was wondering when we were gonna get some new :p

  • sirsimon says:

    HALLEULAH finally some news at bloody last!!!!!
    *Straightens hair* so anyway, the dragon cave looks cool, looks like they are sticking to the plotline,

    What happened to the Dawn Treader???

    • narnian resident says:

      they moved the dawn treader to a new place, so they can continue filming, but im not really sure where. and then after that i believe they’re going to give it to that guy who bought it(how could he i dont know). and i wonder how you can use the word halleluyah and bloody in the same sentence…are you trying to sound british? πŸ™‚ lol because they use that word to describe something annoying or terrible.

      • decarus says:

        This is weird news. It is news that we really don’t know whether or not it is actual news. I don’t really think it looks like a cave, but it is a rock with some gold at the bottom. I have no opinion.

    • narnian resident says:

      like, "where is that bloody map?" with the british accent of course. πŸ™‚

    • 220chrisTian says:

      What happened to the Dawn Treader? Check out the links in this story. http://www.aslanscountry.com/2009/10/dawn-treader-finally-leaves-cleveland-point/

  • I am the man says:

    Maybe it could be at Deathwater Island???

  • aravistarkheena says:

    O MY GOSH I AM GOING TO SO CRAZY AND EXPLODE!!!!!!!

  • pselpevensie says:

    FINALLY! an update. i was getting really worried!
    nice pic! the cave looks really cool!

  • Lucille Brown says:

    Yes, finally, we are getting new again. It’s seems like years since we got news. I hope it’s the dragon cave for Dawn Treader.

  • aslan's child says:

    finally!!!i’ve been waiting for news endlessly!!!.cool cave.i cant wait to see the cast up close!!!!!!!!!go narnians!!!whooooooh

  • Aravis Tarkheena says:

    Nice finally something new.^^

  • NarnianElf says:

    AWESOME!!!! I hope it is the dragon cave, that would be so cool! I love narnia.

  • NarniaWarrior says:

    yahoo…news..thanks and keep it coming…Long Live Aslan !!!

  • LucyReepicheep4β™₯(used to be celtic13 and Narnian Jesus Freak) says:

    NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES! πŸ˜€ *does a happy dance because there is news on NarniaWeb finally and then stops cause everyone is staring at her*
    Uh… sorry about that. πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜€
    I really hope that is for VDT!! I’ll bet it’s the dragon cave. Sail on VDT!! πŸ™‚

  • waleed sajjad says:

    Ahhhhhhh!!!! finally more news i nearly lost it wenever looked ther was nothing new!!
    that sure looks like the dragon cave!
    im so crazy for the next movie that i made the Dawn Treader my DESKTOP!!!!!!!!!!

  • Samuel the Magnificent says:

    finally some more news!

  • Polly Plummer says:

    That looks great. It’s wonderful to have news at last! From the photos of England – it looks as if they’re going to expand on Lewis’s description of what was happening with the Pevensies before they go into Narnia. Like they did with the bomb raid in LWW

    • narnian resident says:

      it would be cool if possibly they have a scene of susan going off to america, or peter with the professor, but i dont think they will, they dont have the actors. it would be cool though to have a scene of lucy and edmund driving up to eustace’s place, or something like that. im sure they’ll have the scene where he teases them about narnia in the beiginning.

      • narniafan4ever says:

        I sure hope so…It really sets the whole mood in the book and, in a way, gives the audience a glimpse of the characters and their personalities. πŸ˜€

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Definitely. I always wondered what it was like for the Pevensies in the real world, and I really loved how they went into that for the first two movies. I can’t wait to see how they go about it for VDT.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Best opener ever:

        "There was a boy called Eustace Clarence Scrubb, and he almost deserved it."

        Those first two pages are chock full of hints to the "real world" story going on between Narnia visits. I’ve always wondered what exam Peter was studying for. It doesn’t sound like a term-exam in a regular class. More like some kind of entrance exam. What do you suppose someone who’s already ruled a kingdom would choose to study at university? Theater, maybe? Or, music? Ahhhh, I know: biology or medicine. Just in case. You know.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        They should have a narator read that part of the story and then have him give a little background on what has been going on since they left Narnia….then again, maybe that would be a little corny….never mind….just thinking out loud. πŸ™‚

  • narnian resident says:

    wow how long has it been like almost a month? or maybe just a few weeks. idk im just glad we have something! i love that picture of the huge wave, i wonder what that could be for? i still am not sure of where they are now-the crew and set. did someone say the Gold Coast? i cant remember if they told us already.

  • Anonymous Narnian says:

    I love the 40’s era trucks in Mundo’s gallery!

  • King Skandar the Just says:

    YAY!!!!!!!! news!!! I hope that it’s the dragon’s cave… but it’s kind of a light color though.

  • iLiveInNarnia says:

    Ah…finally new news!!! πŸ˜€ This looks quite interesting. I agree that it does look like a cave full of treasure…we’ll just have to wait and see! Thank’s for breaking this what seemed never-ending time of no news with this awesome picture!! haha

  • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

    I am getting soooooooooooooooooooooo excited for this movie! yay!!!!!! *jumps with joy, but then quickly attempts to recover and act like a normal human being so as not to scare anyone else around…*

  • always narnian says:

    hmmmmm…How interesting. It probably is something like that. Who knows though. =D

  • Fire Fairy says:

    I’m just as excited as everybody else that we finally have some news, but I don’t dare go all spastic like everybody else (I’m very close to it, though). That just goes to show just how much we all depend on NarniaWeb to keep our sanity intact (or keep up a healthy level of insanity, if you want to look at it that way…). I must say I really appreciate this bit of news, though, whether it’s really for VDT or not. I’m just glad to get some new photos to look at. I think it’s safe to say the first picture is for VDT, but I’m not so sure about the other ones. It’s very possible, though.

  • 220chrisTian says:

    What about this story? Nobody’s posted it on NW yet and it’s recent hard news! πŸ™
    http://www.baysidebulletin.com.au/news/local/news/general/taste-of-home-for-narnia-crew/1651417.aspx?src=rss

    • Empress of the Lone Islands says:

      That was nice of them to give that care package! I would think they would get a bit homesick after being away from home for so long.

    • Fire Fairy says:

      That’s very sweet! I think the picture of the two kids with the faun is absolutely adorable.

    • Starlily says:

      Interesting to read about the treats they sent in the package. Minstrels are big, non-colored M&Ms? It sounds so funny to my American ears! I like it!

  • Mirima Rosetrader says:

    Yes!!! News!!! Finally! I have been checking Narniaweb.com every day and nothing until now! Come on spies do your stuff! Good news though. It looks like it could possibly maybe be a dragon cave, but it looks far from completion. It needs to be bigger and the stone needs to be darker this is a dragon’s cave people, but good work. Sail on VDT!!! Give us more news!

  • narnia 4 ever! says:

    finally some news!!!!we haven’t had any in ages!!!!I REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY HOPE THAT IT’S THE DRAGON CAVE!!!WHAT DO YOU THINK?DO YOU THINK IT’S THE DRAGON’S CAGE?

  • Eilonwy Arwen Kenobi of Narnia says:

    I’m just glad that there’s finally an update. I’m waiting for another podcast too! You know if that cave is for VODT, then that’s great…I think it looks cool. I was really starting to get worried when I kept checking narniaweb and there was literally no news for a few weeks…YAY!!!

    • Fire Fairy says:

      This is really random, but I just have to say I love your name. I take it you’re a fan of The Black Cauldron, Star Wars, Narnia, and what else?

      • Princess Arya says:

        LOTR? Arwen?

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Ah. That explains it. I’ve never seen LoTR. (I know, it’s pretty pathetic).

      • Princess Arya says:

        I only saw it once a few months ago for the first time. I read the books last summer. I’m no LotR expert! (yet) πŸ˜€ Arwen’s role is a lot bigger in the movie; she only appears twice in the book that I recall.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Yeah, I didn’t see them all until last year. I love them, though. I think they did a good job at staying pretty true to the books. πŸ˜€
        But, yes. Arwen’s role is a lot bigger than in the books. πŸ™‚

  • Aunt Letty says:

    I wonder if someone can help me? I wanted to see all these pictures you’re mentioning, so I went to the MundoNarnia site (yeah, I’m so techno-savvy, I thought MundoNarnia was a person’s username until you enlightened me) and as far as I can tell, you have to register to look at any of the "fotos". So, I tried to, but got to a step in the registration process with a bunch of asterisked questions in Portuguese…it can’t be that you all speak Portuguese, how did you get to these "fotos"?

    It’s not an emergency or anything, but if someone would be willing to enlighten me, I’d be grateful.

    • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

      If you are talking about that photos that we are seeing that have to do with Narnia, they didn’t load on my computer….I had to click on the little square outlines and then the pic would come up on the screen. You just have to go back and click on a new square each time in order to see all the pictures. Let me know if this helped! πŸ˜€

    • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

      btw…I didn’t have to sign up to something on the website. Just click and vwa-la! πŸ˜€

    • 220chrisTian says:

      End of news post: "You can check them all out here." Click on the hyperlinked "here" to go straight to the photos. πŸ˜‰

    • Aunt Letty says:

      OOOOhhh! Thanks guys! You’re the greatest.

    • Puddleglum says:

      Actually, I intended to put it on this page, but messed up.
      Sorry. We marsh-wiggles are not knowen to be techno savvy.
      If it is preffered, we could continue here.
      I had asked if anyone had read anything of Lewis’s other than the Chronicles. Personally, Mere Christianity is my favorit. He was a collage professore, and could talk lofty, but this one proves his ability to convey straightforward comlexities.

  • NarnianElf says:

    I think it would be awesome if this was for VDT. I can’t believe that there is FINALLY NEWS!!! I can’t stop grinning :D:D:D:D:D I love narnia! It is so fascinating.

  • martin the warrior says:

    FINALLY we have some news ive been wating for weeks! it looks cool! i cnat wait to see th first trailer or something big like that!

  • Long Live King Skandar says:

    This is awesome!!!!! I only hope we don’t have to wait until there’s more than 400 comments on THIS story before we get some more news:) That last one was insane…just shows how crazy we are about Narnia!!
    And seeing the pics of the truck reminds me…I really hope that the scenes with the "real world" are really good, like the ones in LWW. The opening scene and the train station scene as well as the ones inside the Professor’s house really introduced the plot and gave us some really important info (ex. Edmund’s estrangement from his siblings.) PC didn’t really have scenes like that. I really hope that VDT uses a good balance of "here" scenes and "there" scenes too…hope I’m making sense:)

    • Fire Fairy says:

      No kidding, it’s only been, what, two days now, and we’ve already got over 100 comments! Can you say "Fanatic" with a capital "F"??

    • Aunt Letty says:

      Fantastic Fanatics. Huzzah! Narniaweb Fanatics are the best kind.

      King Skandar, what about the way we see Susan moving toward the attitude that keeps her from answering the call in Last Battle? And the change in Peter and Edmund’s relationship? In LWW, we have Peter rescuing Ed from his own "stupidity", and in PC we have a reversal of that situation, of sorts. It neatly foreshadows their roles in Narnia later in the film, don’t you think? Feel free to disagree!

      I love how Edmund plunges in to support his brother without having any idea what the fight’s about. Then, minutes later he says, "I’m not holding hands with YOU!".

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        haha!!!!!! You make me laugh, Aunt Letty! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ K, I’m done now….lol

      • Long Live King Skandar says:

        You made some really good points, Aunt Letty. I LOVED the part that you mentioned, where Ed shouts "I’m not holding YOUR hand!" Hilarious!
        The characters’ overshadowing was very subtle, if detectable at all. I know that in cases like these, where the Pevensie kids are maturing due to age and their experiences in Narnia, their changes must be kept subtle to keep it realistic. However, I wouldn’t really say that Peter rescued Edmund in LWW; Aslan did. Peter’s character isn’t really developed through the transition from LWW to PC; he suddenly goes from being a great guy to being self-righteous. Ed does indeed save him several times; however this shows Edmund’s growth, not Peter’s. It shows how Edmund has caught up to Peter with respect to maturity/faith in Narnia. As for Susan, it is true that her initial reluctance to be back foreshadows her role in LB. However, I think that too much time was spent developing her relationship with Caspian, rather than her relationship with Narnia…one more reason why I didn’t approve of that whole romance thing. When she’s about to leave, she tells Caspian, "I’m glad I came back." Caspian should NOT have been the reason why she was happy she had come back…I’m afraid people were led to believe otherwise. The main point is, we want the average moviegoer (especially those who don’t have any background knowledge of Narnia) to walk out of the theater understanding the importance of the Pevensie’s absolute faith in Narnia as well as their evolution, as characters. In my opinion, the only one who was developed well enough was Edmund, probably because of the immensity of his "stupidity" back in LWW. The filmmakers had more to go on there.
        I hope you see what I meant…did i write too much? Yeah, I think I did…oh well πŸ™‚ The more the better. How do you spell Narnia fanatics? N-A-R-N-I-A-W-E-B-B-E-R-S!! haha

      • Aunt Letty says:

        King Skandar,

        sorry, I guess I didn’t write ENOUGH:)my comments are too cryptic. What I meant was A. Susan’s subtle interactions with the gawky young man at the newsstand and her absorption in the fashion mag. and, B. Peter "rescuing" Ed when the latter runs back into the house during the air raid.

        What you said about Edmund’s character development made sense to me. It’s true that Edmund had the most space for character development. It’s hard to imagine what else could have been done to give Peter’s character an arc. As I’ve said elsewhere (at great length!), I found his behavior in PC painful to watch, but have made my peace with it.

        I just sort of wince and close my eyes in response to the Caspian/Susan thing because I like the rest of the movie well enough, but I agree that it’s distasteful. Your point about the "I’m glad I came back" line makes sense. It could also be read another way maybe; the filmmakers could be showing how flirtations and romance are becoming much more the focus of Susan’s life than Narnia and the things it stands for are. It SHOULDN’T have been her reason for being glad, but since they had gone and established this whole romantic angle, and since her heart clearly isn’t in the right place by the next time we "see" her in the books, I can see how it works to shift her from Queen Susan to Susan the Worldly. Still, that hug and kiss are hard to take. Seems most of the Narniawebbers are in agreement on that.

      • Long Live King Skandar says:

        Yeah, I think we’re mostly in agreement, Aunt Letty. And I had my a-ha! moment when you clarified πŸ™‚ I know exactly what you meant now… thanks!
        Actually, I kind of interpreted Ed running back into the house as kind of sweet; he seemed to be really attached to his father, more than his other siblings. Sure, it was stupid to run back in and almost get killed, but it was kind of like "awww.." Maybe the filmmakers did that to make him more likeable and not entirely bad, since in the book it’s implied that he was fine until he started going to school or something. And with Susan, I agree that the mag., etc. foreshadow her role throughout PC and at the end of the chronicles. Her "glad i came back" line definitely implies what you said; however like the rest of the hints it was very subtle and most people would just take it at face value and assume she’s talking about Caspian and not think about what she will be like later on in the books. I’m glad we’re on the same page now πŸ˜€ You always have such good points to make Aunt Letty

      • Aunt Letty says:

        "Sure, it was stupid to run back in and almost get killed, but it was kind of like "awww.." Maybe the filmmakers did that to make him more likeable and not entirely bad, since in the book it’s implied that he was fine until he started going to school or something."

        Yes, I think you’re right, there. He is pretty attached to his dad.

        There’s an aspect of Edmund that is almost missing from the films; he’s essentially the 40’s equivalent of a tech-geek. Even after his change of heart, he’s still fairly argumentative and overly equipped with facts in PC. I liked the way that "electric torch" gave the nod to that part of him in PC.

        Also, I feel like I should clarify something; when I said Susan’s heart was in the wrong place, I didn’t mean she was "bad", just that she doesn’t want Narnia as much as she wants other things. Much has been made by critics of the books of Susan being "left out" of heaven at the end of LB. It’s been said that she’s cast into hell for getting interested in clothes and boys or for growing up, etc. I don’t think that’s what happens at all. I think she simply gets what she wants, and there’s ample textual support for the idea that the others are sad about that, but I see no evidence that she’s condemned by Aslan.

        Shutting up now.

      • Long Live King Skandar says:

        I agree that it’s wrong and unrealistic to label Susan as condemned or something just because she places attention on "worldly" things; maybe more than she should have, but that’s besides the point. It makes sense that since Susan was the last one to accept Narnia, that she would sort of lose touch with it after not being in it for a while (after PC). I love how you said Ed is sort of a techy-geek, never thought of that. But he is one, for sure. Clarifiation: an AWESOME techy geek, one that can swordfight, ride a horse, and fly with griffins, etc. Can’t get much better than that:)

      • Fire Fairy says:

        If you don’t mind my butting in on this conversation, I’d like to add my two cents worth…

        Aunt Letty, on Susan being "left out" of heaven in LB, I’d like to say that I feel those critics who think it means she went to hell are taking completely the wrong way. I’d always gotten the impression that even though she was "left out", she was also given another chance. Considering the fact that she was the only one in the Pevensie family that was not on that train when it crashed, she was therefore the only one that didn’t die at that time. I always felt that C.S. Lewis was implying that Aslan was giving her another chance to come back, simply because she was not ready to come home. She had lost faith in Aslan and Narnia, so Aslan was perhaps giving her a little more time in the mortal world to redeem herself. And since Lewis never tells us what happens after LB, who knows…?

        On the subject of Edmund’s and Peter’s individual growth, I think you both have made very good points. I always felt that the filmmakers pinpointed Edmund’s trasformation and growth to a T. Peter on the other hand…

        Oh, wow. I just realized I have somewhere to go. Stupid me, spending all my time on NarniaWeb. I’ll have to finish what I was saying later!

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Excellent points, both of you make.

        It does seem as though Susan is being given more time to make her choice, doesn’t it?

        I don’t believe we ever "get" a reward we don’t want, and that divine punishment is more a matter of what you really want; do you want light or darkness? We choose. I don’t think God wants us as hand-puppets, but as independent beings, to act for themselves. What would be the point of us, otherwise? How would we truly worship Him without Him having first created us to be independent? Which means, of course, that we have to be free to choose spiritual death, too. God lets us do that, though He does everything possible to help us choose life. He does not, however, rearrange truth so that we can have joy in choosing darkness, in choosing not-God. So, in my mind, Susan’s choices are still open, but Aslan will not force her to heaven if that is not her choice. We humans often have a tough time giving and receiving that kind of love.

        Ok, I may have just fastened a large bullseye to my chest with those statements…

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        I hope you don’t mind me butting in here either….I have only one cent to add though….

        You guys all make great points. And I wanted to add to what you said, Aunt Letty. God created us with free will; with choices. Otherwise, we would be robots to Him. We were created for His enjoyment and pleasure. No one gets any pleasure out of a computerized person saying "I love you" one hundred times and going through the motions.

        Same thing with love…..You can’t force someone to love you. If I went up to someone, put a gun to their head, and said "Love me"….they can’t love me. Love is a free will choice, not something that is forced.

        And I agree with you Fire Fairy in that it seems as though Susan wasn’t on the train so that she would have a second chance. But, I also believe that if you keep rejecting God’s call, you will eventually be unable to accept God’s gift of Eternal Life. And it isn’t that God isn’t able to reach you, but that you aren’t able to hear God’s voice. Yes, He is powerful and strong and mighty and able to make us hear Him, but like I said earlier….He gave us free will and because of that free will, we are able to get ourselves in a jam. Think about Saul in the Old Testament. He was anointed by God and blessed, but when He started to ignore God and his commands, after a while, he was no longer able to hear from God. He went to Samuel but Samuel had nothing for Saul.

        I’d like to know what you think about all this…. πŸ˜€

        Go Narnia! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        btw….Don’t think I would go to someone and put a gun to their head and tell them to love me….I was just using it as an example. I would NEVER do that! Just thought I should clarify….lol

      • Fire Fairy says:

        I wasn’t saying I think Susan is being forced to be good. Not at all. You guys make very good points, though.

        I was more thinking of Susan’s situation being compared to the parable of the lost sheep. Didn’t the shepherd leave the ninety and nine and go after the one that was lost in the wilderness? That’s kind of what I feel like Aslan’s doing for Susan. Susan has been lost; Aslan is going after her. Now, the parable never says that the Shepherd forced the sheep to come back with him. I truly don’t think Aslan wants to force Susan to come back. That goes completely against his nature. But, if Susan does accept his outstretched hand (paw?), as did the sheep in the parable, then Aslan (the Shepherd) will "bring her home on his shoulders" and He and His friends will rejoice over her return, just as the Shepherd carried the sheep home on his shoulders and rejoiced over their return with his friends. In other words, I feel that Aslan loves Susan very much, and longs for her return, and will rejoice if she does, but He will not force her. Instead, He is providing her with the opportunity (leaving the fold to search for the lamb) to return back to Him.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Yes, I completely agree. And I love that parable. It seems to apply to my everyday life, you know? I fall so many times, but He is right there to pick me up when I fall and carry my on His shoulders.:D

      • 220chrisTian says:

        Great conversation, guys. πŸ˜€ I agree with all of you and I don’t really have anything to add. Regarding PC, I think King Skandar’s comment ["However, I think that too much time was spent developing her relationship with Caspian, rather than her relationship with Narnia"] says it all. πŸ™‚

      • Long Live King Skandar says:

        Thanks, 220chrisTian πŸ™‚ Great comments everybody. I really like the parallels that were made with the parables. I’d never thought of it before like that but it makes perfect sense. That’s the whole beauty of the Narnia series; CS Lewis says and portrays such important, essential truths. He illustrates them so that any reader of any age can appreciate them and take them to heart.
        I think that CS Lewis left Susan’s future kind of up in the air on purpose; I don’t think that we are supposed to know for sure. It’s just between Susan and Aslan/Narnia, just like our own individual decisions to accept Christ are up to each of us, individually. I feel like Lewis wanted to show that without actually saying, "We can never know what happened." (ahh!!! does that line ring a bell??? anybody?? lucy…aslan…PC…btw they totally killed that line. In the book it actually sounded like Aslan knew what he was talking about, not just being vague like he was in the movie…grr)
        By the way, I’m curious: did anybody think of my "name" as showing anything other than me being a Skandar fan? (which I am… πŸ™‚ ) We say "long live king.." whoever, but people who have accepted Christ will live FOREVER. Skandar’s said that he’s an atheist, and so the best thing that I think I can do for him as a fan is to pray for him, that one day he’ll see the light and truly accept the gift of eternal life in heaven.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        I like your point, Long Live King Skandar. It’s kind of like when Edmund was rescued, and had his little "talk" with Aslan. I love how they don’t let you know what was said in the movie. The conversation was between Aslan and Edmund, and no one else.

        By the way, Long Live King Skandar, I think that’s very sweet of you. I, too, was rather disappointed to find that Skandar is an atheist. It feels like such a waste! Then again, it saddens me when anyone proclaims themselves atheists. A few of my cousins, who were raised Christians, did that very thing. It’s rather heartbreaking, really. But then again, my dad does have a saying I really like: "In a time of war or great danger, even the Atheists will turn to some sort of god." Hopefully one day they will all feel it necessary to turn to Christ. We can only love them and continue to pray for them.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Yeah, King Skandar. I have been praying for Skandar as well. I was really sad to hear that he is an atheist. I think part of it might be the fact that his great-great-great…how ever many "greats"… Grandfather was Charles Darwin. Anyway, to think that he (Skandar) seems to be a good person, but that he might miss Jesus is quite sad… πŸ™ Just keep praying…
        And Fire Fairy, you seem to have some awesome bible knowledge! It seems like I will sit down to reply to something and you have already replied exactly what I was going to say! lol. Anyways, this has been a great discussion, and I hope we can continue! πŸ™‚ It’s kind of funny how all our conversations end up talking about Jesus! It’s awesome! πŸ˜€
        And also, I really hope that when they put that scene with Lucy and Aslan in the magician’s room, that they don’t screw that line up again! (the "to know what would have happened is not for you to know" line). It needs to imply that Aslan knows what would have happened but chooses on to tell. In PC, they made it sound like He [Aslan] had no idea what would have happened either. He is supposed to know everything. πŸ™‚

      • 220chrisTian says:

        Thank you all SO MUCH! I’ve been praying for Skandar since January. His dad’s book-turned-movie "Creation" [about Darwin] premiered in the UK last month. And people are preparing big Darwin celebrations in November. Check out my Facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=117014636287 It’s called "Narnia cast and crew: pray!" GOD BLESS YOU ALL! KEEP PRAYING!

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Thanks, narniafan4ever <3. I didn’t really think I had "awesome bible knowledge", as you put it, but thanks! And I’m glad we’re always on the same page! πŸ˜‰ But, yeah, I’m kind of a nut when it comes to comparing Narnia to the bible. The parallels are endless!! That’s probably why MN and LB are my favorite books–they are so close to my personal views on the creation and the end of the world! I would love to hear any opinions and favorite comparisons, if anybody’s willing to share. I think the conversations that end up being about Jesus are the best! For Narnia, and for Aslan!!!!

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Yeah, no problem! πŸ˜€ But it seems kind of like you and me are kindred spirits in a way! I am such a nut too when it comes to comparing the bible with Narnia…. and that is also why I like LoTR as well. And you are so right….the parallels are endless! I am a little nervous in the Magician’s Nephew and the Last Battle being created cause I don’t want them to mess the whole story up! Same with Horse and his Boy….and the Silver Chair….and the Voyage of the Dawn Treader…..yeah. haha.
        Were you part of the discussion, Fire Fairy, where someone asked what a seance was and we ended up talking about the Jesus? It is too funny how whenever Christians start talking, they always end up talking about Jesus. πŸ™‚ It is such a comfort to meet fellow sis’s and bro’s in Christ. πŸ˜€ Sail on, Narnia and Aslan!!!!!! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Glad to know I’ve found a kindred spirit :D. Yeah, I’ve been a bit nervous about how they do those as well. For me, the most important aspect of MN will be how they do the music. That is going to be very difficult to get right, yet I hope they do!!! And LB, well, there’s so much involved with the end of Narnia and all that that they might pass over…they better not!!! I have to say my favorite part in LB is when Tirian goes through the stable door and comes face to face with Tash, and is almost attacked when, "But immediately, from behind Tash, strong and calm sas the summer sea, a voice said: ‘Begone, Monster, and take your lawful prey to your own place: in the name of Aslan and Aslan’s great Father, the Emperor-over-Sea.’" It just gives me the chills! I also love it when, afterword, Tirian meets the seven friends of Narnia. Since Lucy is my favorite, I even designed a dress for her as Queen Lucy the Valiant when they banish Tash and discover true Narnia! πŸ˜€ *Ahem*, but, yeah. I better stop, or this whole comment will be filled with my favorite passages! Anyhow, they better do it right!!!

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Sorry, narniafan4ever…I just realized you asked me a question, and I never answered you!! Talk about getting carried away….*sheepish grin*

        No, I wasn’t part of that conversation…but I wish I had been! I love all of these conversations, especially, as I said before, when we start comparing Narnia to the bible! But, yeah, I better go before I let myself get carried away again… πŸ˜€

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        haha…that’s okay. It is really easy to get carried away….trust me. πŸ™‚ I get carried away all the time! It is something I need to get control of….lol But it is okay to get carried away if your talking about Narnia or Jesus, right? πŸ˜€
        Yes, yes….the music. That would be hard part to do… Hmmm…how does the book describe it? I need to go back and read that book again. I have been so caught up in this Voyage of the Dawn Treader fiasco that I have been reading the book over and over again! lol. yeah, you can tell I am a Narnia Nut….lol.
        I love that scene with Tash and Tirian, too! And it seems as though there is so much speculation as to why so and so made it into Narnia, and why others didn’t. But, that is the way it will be in the end-times (which I believe we are living in right now). There will be people who we thought were saved, but then we won’t see them in Heaven, while others we will think that there is no way they were Christians when they died…but then they will find they are in Heaven!
        I have to say…my favorite scene in this movie (VoDT) is the scene where Eustace (as a dragon) meets Aslan and is told to shed his skin. And I realize that it could be graphic and all, but there is a way to make it not so graphic at all. You just don’t really show the first couple times that Eustace sheds his skin…unless it is more like pealing a potato….yeah. But when it comes to Aslan taking it off, they could show Aslan raised up on his hind legs just about to scratch and then….the screen goes black and the next thing you know, you have Eustace back as a boy walking up to Edmund and then they talk like in the book. I think that would probably be the best way to make it without it going over the PG standards…but I thought the scene in PC where Caspain has his sword going into Miraz’s neck was maybe a little more than PG would allow…but that might just be me…idk.
        Well, as you can see, I got carried away talking about Narnia. See? you are in good company….lol

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        haha….I seriously laughed out loud when I saw that you had Lucy’s dress design all laid out. haha!!! You are such a Narnia Nut! lol πŸ˜€

      • Princess Arya says:

        Wow, great discussion, guys!

        narniafan4ever:
        I looked on a website some time back — I think it may have been IMDB — that described ‘Prince Caspian’s rating. Do you know the part at the end of the night raid where Edmund is flying on a creature over the castle, and it shows all the dead creatures where the battle was? (*flinches*) It said that particular scene is strong for a PG movie.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Wow! To me, that is nothing compared to the little blood stream trickling down Miraz’s neck when Caspian goes into the bedroom to take revenge….hmm…
        Well, that scene plus the one where Peter looks back at all his warriors trapped in the castle made me cry! I cry every time I watch it. And I have seen it like a million times! Okay, not that much…lol…but I have seen it a lot of times. πŸ˜€
        Haha…We have kind of taken over half of this page for this discussion! lol. Again, just another proof that we are both Narnia and Jesus nuts! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        I meant…the scene where Edmund is flying over the battle field as well as the one with Peter and the trapped warriors made me cry. During the Caspain/Miraz scene, I was cheering for Caspian, but also screaming at the TV trying to get him to just go and get the gate open, and also trying to watch the scene with one eye closed cause I didn’t know how bad they might have made that scene as far as graphics go…sorry…that was kind of jumbled and definatly not a good example of grammar…lol. πŸ˜€

      • Puddleglum says:

        The scene where Eustace, as a dragon, meets Aslan is also one of my favorit parts of the entire series. What better picture of salvation that is beyond our own power.
        Great dialoge. Keep the witness alive.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Oops…I forgot to add the other website…please check it out.

        http://jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/narnia.htm

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Yes, narniafan4ever, I am QUITE the Narnia nut. πŸ˜€ (And proud of it). πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

        Man, a lot has happened over the weekend. I need to get caught up. I must say I agree that the blood trickling down Miraz’s neck was a little intense. I could see why they still considered it PG, though, seeing what most PG-13 movies get away with these days. πŸ™ I don’t really think all the dead bodies in that one scene was graphic, though. (Well, it was, but I don’t understand why that one was the part that was a "little strong" for PG). The raid was a very moving scene, though. It’s still a bit tough for me to watch it (that doesn’t keep me from watching it, though!). πŸ˜‰

        Uh-oh, I’ve got to run! There’s no such thing as taking a quick look on NarniaWeb…

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Hey there, again.
        I just realized that they took my other comment off…oops.
        So, To explain the website I posted…It was just showing how C.S.Lewis’s training in Greek myth come through in the books. I still like the books a lot, but I just thought I would post the website for you all to see so that you could be discerning when you read the books. And since we have all been talking about how Aslan seems to represent Jesus an such, I just thought I would post this so that you could see what the characters really represent…But I still think that some of the aspects of the story can be great for witnessing. πŸ˜€
        And be careful when you view the website…the material is pretty heavy….just so you know.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        And yea, Fire Fairy….It is hard to just spend like a few minutes on Narnia Web…it turns into a few hours very quickly….lol πŸ˜€

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Good heavens, I go away for the weekend and the Narniawebbers write a book here…

        Great discussion, everyone. I’d forgot about the moment when Peter confronts Tash. It always gives me chills, too.

        As for the rating of PC, what about that scene right after the duel, when Peter beheads (bloodlessly, I might add) the telmarine soldier who comes after him? That always strikes me as being a bit over-the-top for a PG rating. (Gonzo the muppet: "he DIED? This is supposed to be a kids’ movie!!)

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Yeah, narniafan4ever, I have to very careful not to spend too much time on here, or my dad’ll block it with parental controls. He did do it once, too, so I have to be extra careful. And since I got my little sister hooked on Narnia, he’s had to block her from it. He doesn’t want us to become obsessed and waste too much time on NarniaWeb… *looking around and whistling innocently* :S

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Hi Aunt Letty! Glad you’re back. I see your point about the beheading, but then again, images of Star Wars flash through my head…Darth Maul being sliced in half…Mace Windu beheading Jango Fett…and the only PG-13 Episode was Episode 3! (By the way, I love Gonzo the muppet!).

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Oh, and narniafan4ever, about Lucy’s dress, I don’t exactly have it LAID out. I’m definitely not that good. I just have a *coughs* few sketches done.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Yeah, that is what I meant by "laid out". πŸ˜€ That is pretty good, if you ask me! πŸ™‚
        btw…I loved your little comment on the next page about Aslan and the color scheme thing. That is so neat. πŸ™‚

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Thanks. When I noticed it, it was too cool not to share, even though it was like 1:30 in the morning. I was analyzing the movie for my humanities class, so I was in an analytical mindset, otherwise, I doubt I’d have noticed it.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Um, yeah, I just looked at the time on that comment…it was more like two in the morning… *sheepish grin*

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Wow, Fire Fairy, you can think at 2:00 a.m.??? I’m impressed.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Hate to say this, Aunt Letty, but there’s nothing impressive about it. I think my cirdadian rhythm is nocturnal, or at least completely screwed up (I went to bed at 4 this morning, for example). Not a good habit to have as a full-time student. I actually don’t think very well at all in the mornings.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        I should not be on here right now, I should be on my treadmill, and I will, in a minute.

        I was just reading some of the earlier entries in this discussion, about atheism. I wonder if often, when people say they are atheists, what they really mean is that they haven’t been able to reconcile themselves with whatever interpretation of God they’ve been exposed to? I also think that if kids grow up in a home where they aren’t taught to seek after God, then maybe the only image they would have of Him would be the one they get from television and other mass media. Increasingly, that is not a god anyone who thinks or is open to truth could worship. So, maybe, and this is just a thought, maybe in that situation it could actually be the more intelligent, pure-hearted ones who choose atheism, rather than believe something so irrational.

        Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not asserting that this is the case with the actors you were discussing above: don’t know them personally and their personal lives aren’t my business. I was speaking in general terms and would be very interested to hear what you all think about this.

        P.S. Fire Fairy, I hear you about the sleep thing! If you were my kid, we’d be going round and round on your sleeping habits. I’m a "early to bed, early to rise" kinda gal. My oldest son had the same issue as you and he just never could sleep on a "normal" schedule, which made school difficult. Plus, he had to go to seminary at 6:00, before school every morning. Being in the army, I think, shifted his sleep schedule around for him somewhat, so it can be done, but short of a drill instructor in your face, I’m not sure what the solution is.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Fire Fairy…I wish I could think at 2:00 in the morning! Of course, I can’t think of a reason why I would need to think that late….or I should say…early….lol. But, I heard that most teens have an internal clock or something like that which causes thier body to want to stay up later…or something like that. I don’t know how acurate it is, but it seems to me that it might be true cause it is something that lots of us struggle with…including me…lol. And I am not making an excuse for myself and others, but it might explain why teens can stay up later and still sort of function while most adults can’t…just a thought. πŸ˜€
        Aunt Letty: That is an interesting way to look at it. But, I think that everyone can have their own little "god" in a way just by what they choose to listen to, follow, and worship….as in, worship by spending too much time focused on it. But, I think that most people might call themselves atheists cause they don’t want to admit that there is a God who is out there. Because to them, God is a controlling power who requires us to give up our human nature…and that is a hard thing to do! But because we have Jesus, we can have the strength to do that. But to most people, God is restricting. To them, if they choose to follow God, that means that they have to give up their comfort and pleasure in sin. And Christianity is not at all easy. But today, there are so many churches that are preaching the idea that we can do what ever we want and God is all about feel-good. That is not true! Yes, God gives us hope and safety in Jesus, but it is not a religion to be built around us, it is a religion that is built around Him(Jesus)! God is not a supernatural puppet who will do whatever we ask Him to. He knows what is best for us and sometimes He will say "no". But he will say "no" because he loves and us. πŸ™‚ We were created for God’s enjoyment and pleasure. He wants to be truly loved by someone. He wants to be glorified! He wants us and our hearts.
        Okay, I’ll get off my soapbox now….lol πŸ˜€

      • Fire Fairy says:

        It’s becoming increasingly difficult to add to this conversation, especially with all of the scrolling up you have to do to reach the reply button. πŸ˜‰

        Aunt Letty, you make a very interesting point. I had never thought of it that way, but in a way, it does make sense. Although, I do have cousins that were raised in religious families but ended up atheists (or, at least, that’s what they claim to be). Then again, one of them said that part of the reason he/she doesn’t believe in God is because he/she can’t comprehend one person creating everything. Then again, I’m not quoting him/her directly, but what I heard from someone else, so I can’t say that’s the real reason why. I guess what I’m saying is that my cousin’s situation is not from a lack of being taught; rather, it came about because he/she was unwilling to be open-minded about a certain doctrine and would not trust in the Lord about something he/she had a difficult time understanding. So sometimes it’s a closed-minded attitude that stimulates Atheism.

        Oh, and Aunt Letty, it makes me feel a little bit better knowing I’m not the only one with this problem. I’ll just have to keep praying and keep trying to change my nocturnal tendencies. πŸ™‚

      • Fire Fairy says:

        By the way, Aunt Letty and narniafan4ever, are the three of us the only ones adding to this conversation anymore? It seems to me that the past several days it’s only been us three! Where’d everybody go? Did they think this conversation died off or something? Seriously…it’s as if they think this comment area was meant only for comments on the actual news story!! *Ahem*…wow. Are we doing this because we’re not cool enough (or too cool πŸ˜‰ ) for the forum? It’s like we don’t have lives or something! πŸ˜€

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Haha…don’t know, but I am really enjoying our chats either way. πŸ™‚
        I think everyone is hiding somewhere tearing their hair out cause we need more news! lol. I am just kidding, but I bet everyone’s excitement from seeing recent news has faded. But I’m sure some people will be back. Remember on the other page? There were like 450 comments on that page….people stopped commenting for a while, but then came back again… πŸ˜€

      • Puddleglum says:

        Just you three?
        Well I must admit to being lazy and enjoying reading rather than writing.
        To add a comment to narniafan4ever. Your comment on how people do not want to "give up" was right on. Many people want a "god" who comes to their beck-and-call, like a genie. But God, like Aslan, is not tame.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        I’m glad that I am not the only one who feels that way about God, Puddleglum. πŸ˜€ That is probably why I can’t stand the whole name-it-and-claim-it thing that so many people are getting into today. It’s just another part of the prosperity gospel. It is like making God into a Supernatural Puppet! And it is also testing God in a way, which is clearly something we are told not to do in the bible.
        I have to say, that is one line in the Narnia books that I have always loved…"He is not tame, but He is good…" *sighs contentedly and smiles*

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        OH….I forgot…It is also nice to know that people are reading these even though they aren’t commenting. πŸ˜€ Hopefully, out conversations can plant seeds. πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Amen to that!

        narniafan4ever, I really like your point about God not being at our beck-and-call. I never really thought about it before, but I can see what you mean. A lot of people think that when the pray to God, He HAS to give them what they want, when they want it. And when He doesn’t (notice I said when, not if), they get upset and claim that He’s abandoned them. It’s as if they think they can force their will upon Him…which is exactly what we should NOT do. Others seem to think that there can’t be a God because there’s so much suffering in the world. There’s a story that is a good explanation for that. It’s about a barber and his customer, who are discussing God. The barber says that He doesn’t believe God exists because there is so much suffering in the world. The customer says nothing to this, but as he goes to leave, he sees a man outside with shaggy hair and a beard pass by. He comes back in and declares, "I don’t believe barbers exist." The barber, surprised, exlaims, "Of course barbers exist!" "No, they don’t," the man insisted. "Or there wouldn’t be people like that man outside." "Ah," replied the barber. "Barbers do exist. People just don’t come to us." "Exactly!" the man said. "God, too, exists. People just don’t come to Him."

        I don’t think there’s much I can add to that, except that I feel sorry for people who don’t believe in God, simply because God doesn’t fulfill their personal requirments. God is not defined by man’s will; likewise, man is not obedient to His will. The key to becoming like Him and getting to know Him is learning how to submit ourselves to His will.

      • 220chrisTian says:

        narniafan4ever β™₯, Fire Fairy, and Aunt Letty: deep stuff! I loved reading it! Fav thought: "The key to becoming like Him and getting to know Him is learning how to submit ourselves to His will." Of course, finding the "reply" button took awhile. πŸ˜‰

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Fire Fairy: I like the story about the barber. πŸ˜€ That is dead on! And not only because all people don’t go to a barber or God, The same story can be used to make this point: Just because we don’t always see the results of God’s existence doesn’t mean that there is no God. πŸ˜‰

        220chrisTian: I am glad you are enjoying reading our discussions. πŸ™‚ I love that thought that you labeled as your favorite thought!!! I think that is going to be added on my list of favorite thoughts as well! lol πŸ˜€

        And speaking of favorite quotes, I thought that I would share one of mine! It really doesn’t have anything to do with out discussions, but I thought I would share it. πŸ˜€ Here it is: "A girl should be so lost in God, that a guy who is trying to win her heart, will have to seek God in order to find her." πŸ˜€

        *sigh* I love that! I guess that kind of tells you that I am not the kind of person who dates around, but that I am waiting for God to reveal that special dude to me. πŸ™‚ And until that time, I shall be immersed in Jesus. πŸ˜€

        Sorry, those last two paragraphs had nothing to do with our conversation. I just wanted to share it. πŸ˜€ Anyways, talk to you all later! πŸ˜€

      • Puddleglum says:

        narniafan4ever;
        I believe yhe verse that best fits your comments is "When you ask, you do not recieve, because you ask with the wronge motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures." James 4:3 NIV
        This brings us back to the original comments on athiesm. Anyone remember Madylin Murry O’Hare? She was the aithiest who originally worked to get any reference to God out of public schools. The son she used to get the case in court back then is actually a minister now. He relates in a book how she, as a young woman had prayed that God give her a certain man. When this did not happen she turned on God as an athiest. I believe someone earlier had posted about how some athiests are bitter. This was certainly the case.
        I must say that I am impressed by your favorit quote. If only all women, and men used such advise.
        "But seek first his Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well" Matthew 6:33
        Aunt Letty; I don’t want to be seen as rude, but just to save time getting to the reply, I will start a new line.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Oh, wow. *embarrassed* Who’d have thought I’d say something that people’d want to quote? That’s just…wow. I don’t know what to say now…

        narniafan4ever, I love that quote as well. I actually only just heard it a few weeks ago, but I love it! I, too, want only the mate that God wants for me. πŸ˜€ Another one of my favorite quotes that I heard on the same day, which has nothing to do with our discussion, is "A wise man once said, ‘I don’t know. Ask a girl.’" πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜€

        *Ahem* But, yeah. Puddleglum, by new line, do you mean the one on the new page? Because it didn’t seem to relate to our conversation. Oh, well, you make a good point, though. The reply button is getting very difficult to find.

        Anyways, Puddleglum, your example just about fits my scenario exactly! (About asking God for something and abandoning Him when He doesn’t give it to them when and how they want it). That’s so cool, especially since I didn’t know of any examples.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        *scrolling…..scrolling…..scrolling…..* lol It takes soooooooo long to get to the reply button! AH!

        Haha… That
        "ask a girl" thing was cute. Although, I have to give a lot of credit to guys as well. I hate it when people try to make guys sound stupid and wimpy. I’m not saying that you are, Fire Fairy…not at all! πŸ™‚ I guess I just get fed up with girls who tend to say they are "stronger than a guy" or "smarter than guys". God created the men to be the protectors of the girls! We should treat them with respect in return. πŸ˜€

        I hope you aren’t taking this as my saying you shouldn’t have said that. It was just in jest, I’m sure. πŸ˜€ I was just stating something that was on my mind at the moment. No hard feelings! πŸ˜€

        Once again, I need to step off my soap box….lol.

        Btw…from now on, I am going to be commenting on the other page where we started a new chain. πŸ™‚ It takes way to long to get to that stinkin’ reply button. lol

  • The Great and Fearless Pug says:

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s the dragon’s cave. Why else would there be treasure laying right there in the front? But yeah, it looks amazing!

  • Adeona says:

    YAHOO! Finally some actual news. I was about to go insane.

    So this is the mysterious set that was being built in the backlot. It looks pretty good. Plenty of treasure, for sure. I wouldn’t think it would spill out the front like that though. I also would have thought the outside of the cave would have a little more greenery. Is this the inside? Wouldn’t they have built the cave interior set in a location where they could control the lighting a lot more? Not that I know much about this kind of thing! Just thinking.

    The WWII era stuff all looks great. As someone else mentioned, the bicyclist is a nice touch.

  • Princess Arya says:

    What’s the fifth picture of? Or the middle picture on the second row? It looks blurry, and maybe like concept art. On second thought – the storm maybe?

    • The Great and Fearless Pug says:

      It looks like water, so yeah, I would say it’s the storm, unless they are putting naiads in the movie. πŸ™‚

      • Princess Arya says:

        Well, you don’t know (when it comes to Naiads) because they do have a lot of Minotaurs and creatures like that on the ship. There might be some naiads.

  • Ivan_Air says:

    Look here!!!
    Have you pay attention at the document on this photo: http://i051.radikal.ru/0910/f4/f9bb2969bc4f.jpg ?
    Its term finishes on Dec, 31, 1943. I suppose such documents’ term lasts for a year.
    It means that the scene is laid in England on summer 1943. So Lucy and Edmund weren’t in Narnia nearly 2 years? It’s interesting…

  • TheBrilliantNorthernStar says:

    NEWS!!! Finally! I definately could be from Narnia, and I REALLY HOPE THAT IT IS!! πŸ˜€ Narnia is so cooooool.

    • TheBrilliantNorthernStar says:

      Oops, I meant "It" instead of "I". I mean, I definately am from Narnia but that’s not what I meant πŸ˜€

  • NarniaLuver4Ever says:

    Wow, NarniaWeb is the best website ever! Narnia Freaks unite! LOL

    • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

      Yeah, I know! Horray for NarniaWeb! Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ (bet you’d never guess that I am a Narnia freak…..lol)

      • TheBrilliantNorthernStar says:

        I know, I get on Narniaweb like a million times a day!!! This is the BEST WEBSITE EVER!!!

      • Starlily says:

        Yeah, it’s become a habit for me to visit this site several times a day. At least, when I have the time. πŸ˜€

  • NothinButNarnia says:

    awesome! That is so cool!!!!!!

  • WilliamLuver13 says:

    That’s really Cool i hope its for VofDT!

    • aslan'schild says:

      OH MY FREAKING REALLY!!!!! FINALY SOME NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      wow, i was going kind of mentaly crazy there… πŸ™‚

  • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

    I am getting sooooo excited for this movie! It is going to be great….I can feel it!!!!!!! πŸ˜€

    • TheBrilliantNorthernStar says:

      Yeah This is going to be the best movie ever made in the history of moviemaking… Narnia is the best. I ADORE it and all my friends think I am spooky because I always talk about it and sigh and say how much iI love it and… yeah. They think I’m weird πŸ˜€

  • Lady Polly says:

    it looks a little small for a dragon, don’t you think.

    • nightshade says:

      Hear!Hear!I think it WAY to small for loot much less a dragon.How are they going to flim and play the parts at the same time?

    • NarniaNut says:

      They might film it in a particular way to make it look bigger.George Lucas did that with Star Wars for the space ships and stuff,and I think the same technique can be applied to caves and structures and stuff.

    • Starlily says:

      Maybe it will only be used for closeups. Or they’re not finished building it.

  • Puddleglum says:

    At last! Now we get into the part of the film that deals with Eustace, and eventually his meeting with Aslan.

  • Narnian4Life says:

    Yay for news πŸ˜€ i don’t believe it though. the cave looks too small for it to be part of the film. thank god for narniafans.com and narniaweb.com for giving me the lowdown on everything narnian πŸ˜€

  • Nuts4Narnia says:

    Anyone still on?? I soo cant wait 4 the next movie its not my favorite one (actually its pretty low in my list Go HHB!!!)but narnia love has no boundries!! lol
    the rumor about having the green witch in it is kinda disturbing tho

  • NarniaNut says:

    What is HHB?

    • Nuts4Narnia says:

      HHB is the horse and his boy, its ok i was reading some other comments and had to run through the books to remember which one they were

  • 220chrisTian says:

    "Skandar’s said that he’s an atheist, and so the best thing that I think I can do for him as a fan is to pray for him, that one day he’ll see the light and truly accept the gift of eternal life in heaven." … "But then again, my dad does have a saying I really like: ‘In a time of war or great danger, even the Atheists will turn to some sort of god.’ Hopefully one day they will all feel it necessary to turn to Christ. We can only love them and continue to pray for them." … "I have been praying for Skandar as well. I was really sad to hear that he is an atheist. I think part of it might be the fact that his great-great-great…how ever many "greats"… Grandfather was Charles Darwin. Anyway, to think that he (Skandar) seems to be a good person, but that he might miss Jesus is quite sad… πŸ™ Just keep praying…"
    Thank you all SO MUCH! I’ve been praying for Skandar since January. His dad’s book-turned-movie "Creation" [about Darwin] premiered in the UK last month. And people are preparing big Darwin celebrations in November. πŸ™ Check out my Facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=117014636287 It’s called "Narnia cast and crew: pray!" GOD BLESS YOU ALL! KEEP PRAYING!

    • 220chrisTian says:

      I posted this in the wrong place. Sorry! [see 1st pg of comments]

      • Nuts4Narnia says:

        wow that is soo sad that skanders an athiest but mayb working on the narnia movies will help him get saved hes still really young to, pray pray pray!!

      • Aravis Tarkheena says:

        OK way too religious please keep this in your own mind because everyone on here is not your religion.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Yes, Aravis Tarkheena, not everyone shares that religion, but this is a free country where people can share any religion they want to, as long as it stays clean. πŸ™‚

      • Aravis Tarkheena says:

        I get what you mean and I was only trying to say that she doesn’t have to turn into a bishop just say God bless edmund/ skandar and that you fell bad for him and thats all you have to say.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        There is nothing wrong with her starting a blog about this! She has a genuine passion for this. It is not something that she is trying to shove down people’s throats. Everyone can decide whether or not they want to participate. πŸ™‚ No one is being forced here. πŸ˜€

      • 220chrisTian says:

        Aravis: why do I feel bad for Skandar? Because he doesn’t believe in God, his Creator and Redeemer. Skandar doesn’t believe in the One who created him in His image and formed his heart to love and worship Him alone. He doesn’t believe in the One who loves him more than anyone else on this earth, who died for him on a cross and paid the debt of sin [Jesus Christ!]. That’s why I mourn for Skandar. Saying "God bless you" is cheap if he doesn’t believe in God. And it won’t save him, which is what I care about. πŸ™

      • narnian resident says:

        220cristian that is very bold and powerful of you. i think its amazing when cristians finally stand up and go out of their way to make Him known. ya know one reason i love the narnia books is the hidden cristian values that c.s. lewis put into it. i’ll be praying along side of you, not just for skander but for everyone. you know i dont know if he’s read the narnia books or not, but i know for a fact they can really change you! and people, there’s another book out there that can change you even more: the bible! all i can say for now is that 220cristian is right. God can change you life in the most unbelievable way! He loves you all, each and every one of you, so much! and i know, that once you become His, your life will never be the same.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Yep, you hit it right on the head, 220chrisTian! I applaud you for your boldness. πŸ˜€

      • Aravis Tarkheena says:

        hey this is Aravis’s older sister, and i’ve been reading this stuff and yeah awsome that you believe n’ all, i do too i’m catholic, BUT to some people this could be really offending so please shut the hell(as in the place) up i personailly do not like it and it sounds like a bunch of bull coming from somewhere other then a church

        thank you and i lovers you all have a good day ;D

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        No offence, Aravis Tarkheena’s older sister, but this is a public chat. Yes, we should be respectful, but there is nothing wrong with us talking to each other about our beliefs, as long as we keep it clean. We aren’t trying to offend anyone, and we are sorry if someone is offended. But, we can’t help but talk about this Savior who is so amazing! I personally am not offended by someone sharing their beliefs. I just either ignore it or listen so I can better understand what they believe. And if anyone is offended, I would love it if they would say so. Once again, I don’t want to offend anyone, but I do want to be able to talk about my savior without feeling like I need to hold back just because someone doesn’t believe it too. And why would this stuff sound bad unless it came from a church? The "church" is just a building that people use to spend their day of rest and worship. But, the beliefs themselves are made up by, in my case, the Bible. But the beliefs don’t truly carry on and spread unless people adopt it themselves. It is not the building that makes it better. And also, if Jesus was worried he would offend someone, his whole ministry wouldn’t have existed! There is no doubt that people were offended by Jesus! Not that He wanted to offend someone, but sometimes people are going to be offended. SO all in all, I am sorry if someone is offended. I am not trying to offend anyone. πŸ™ I enjoy being able to have clean discussions and meet others and learn more about what they believe. πŸ™‚

      • 220chrisTian says:

        narniafan4ever β™₯: ditto! By the way, what happened on the Halloween news post? All kinds of comments were removed! And it won’t let me post anything either! πŸ™ When I said "are you on Narniaweb," I meant the forum, which I’m a member of. I can send you Halloween pics via private message. And there’s a Narnia and Christianity board on it, which I would love for you to join! πŸ˜€ // Aravis: the church isn’t a building. It’s people redeemed by Christ. The church exists to worship Jesus and tell others about Him, to meet others’ spiritual needs [and physical, when necessary]. Witnessing/evangelism is the heart of Christ. It’s also His command, the "Great Commission." You know what my pastor said about the disciples in the upper room [Acts 2]? They were so full of God they went out into the streets and witnessed! Read the book of Acts [of the Apostles] when you get a chance. What were those acts? Preaching and healing! We need to ask ourselves, if Jesus isn’t our lips WHEREVER we go, is He in our hearts?

      • Aravis Tarkheena says:

        Sorry for my older sisters language and sorry if I got all of you wrong but I just scanned through the comments so I must have got some things wromg and I wasn’t saying anything about her blog All i’m trying to say is if you are going to talk about this stuff please go to a priavte Chat room.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Aravis, I’m sorry you feel that way. The only problem is, some of us aren’t members of the forum, because we "can’t" (as in parents’ interfering) or we have a problem with private chat rooms. I understand why you want this sort of thing to be kept out of public comment areas, and I respect that. But when it comes to Narnia, you’ll have a very difficult time keeping people from turning the conversation to God. You don’t have to read them if you don’t want to. Frankly, I think the reason we’re doing this in the comment area is because we’re so bored and dying for news, so we make it up with discussions about our two favorite subjects: Narnia, and religion.

      • Aravis Tarkheena says:

        I get what you mean but the day i submited those comments I was really grumpy so I replied meanly. and I glad you told me everything I get why you would be bored because without the spies sending us videoes and people not telling us anything interseting about the cast and VDT it get boring.and I’m glad we’re sorting it out because I thought it got really out of ahnd and there was going to be some kind of web war between this religous and it was mostly my fault so I’m sorry. ^^

      • Fire Fairy says:

        We forgive you. πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

        Just remember, everyone’s entitled to his/her own opinion, as long as he/she respecty everybody else’s opinions. πŸ˜‰

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        I forgive you, too. πŸ˜€ And tell your sister that I forgive her too. πŸ™‚

      • Aravis Tarkheena says:

        Ok ^^ (sniff) I keep forgetting.^^ ANd I’ll tell her she really doesn’t look at this type of stuff so I’m her messange bear.^^ And I’m really really sorry.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        220chrisTian: I have no idea what happened in that page, but I can’t comment on it anymore either! Hm….I guess we got a little outspoken…oops. 😐

      • 220chrisTian says:

        I asked a mod and she said the comments got really out of hand and off topic, so they deleted all that stuff that wasn’t about the news story and basically locked the page, i.e. no more comments. What was everyone talking about? I don’t even know now. πŸ™

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Just people were all fighting over the subject of Halloween…and why people shouldn’t practice it, or why it is okay to celebrate….yeah. 😐

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Wow. It sounds like some people get very dogmatic and overzealous about their personal opinions and practices! I’m glad we haven’t gotten to that point on this page…

        Anyways, maybe it just goes to show that a respect for everyone’s opinions is the best attitude to have, whether on the internet or in day-to-day interactions.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Amen to that, Fire Fairy! πŸ˜€

        wow….that took me while to find the reply button….here we go again! And we have officially made it to 400 comments on this page, too. I guess we better get more news….soon! πŸ˜€

    • TheBrilliantNorthernStar says:

      WOW!! That’s really sad! I didn’t know what they believed in but that is not what I wanted to hear… but thanks for the newes. I will definately be praying!

    • Puddleglum says:

      This is where I hope the producers follow the book more closely in this film.
      Remember the last scene, where Aslan talks to the children before they return to "our" world? He tels them to look for Him there. I beleive that Lewis was far more open in his witness in these books than we have seen in the movies thus far.
      I too will be adding my prayers. Remember, "Where two or more are gathered together, in My name, there I am also". I beleive that can include the internet as well.

    • Lutra's Pearl says:

      I also have been praying for them all. I was telling my Mom yesterday that even though atheist’s say they dont believe in God many of them are bitter at him for some reason. The best thing you can do there is to piont out that they are bitter at something that they dont even believe in. Also William, when asked about his religon said "Well…I guess that I believe in God". Which dosn’t impress me any because if you think about it, Satan believed in God too. So we should be praying for all of them. Keep the story of Aslan alive!!!

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Good point, Lutra’s Pearl. The key to truly being saved is having that personal relationship with God and Jesus. πŸ˜€

      • Starlily says:

        Yes, Satan and his angels also "believe and tremble" (I think there’s a verse in the Bible that says that, but I don’t know where). Everyone keep praying for the cast, because with God all things are possible.

      • Puddleglum says:

        "Show me your faith without deeds, and
        I will show you my faithby what I do. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that– and shudder." James 2:19 NIV
        What does an old marshwiggle have to do while sitting in his wigwam but read?

      • Princess Arya says:

        You could go fishing πŸ˜‰

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Puddleglum, I’m curious, but what version of the bible is that? (I don’t know what NIV stands for). I’ve never heard of it. I use the King James Version.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        NIV is New International Version. I use KJV too, and I like it the best. πŸ˜€

    • Aslan's Meadow says:

      Wow! that’a lot of comments. I have to stay I agree that we can post whatever we want on this page, this website is very "Narnian" but also very christian (which is probobly why it is so clean and fun!) πŸ™‚ so lets’s keep talkin’!

  • Lucy says:

    I found this very cool thing it is the lamp post paper modal on paperkraft.net and in the search you have to write: Narnia papercraft street lamp!!!!!!!!!!! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

  • Fire Fairy says:

    Yeah, narniafan4ever, I have to very careful not to spend too much time on here, or my dad’ll block it with parental controls. He did do it once, too, so I have to be extra careful. And since I got my little sister hooked on Narnia, he’s had to block her from it. He doesn’t want us to become obsessed and waste too much time on NarniaWeb… *looking around and whistling innocently* :S

    • Fire Fairy says:

      Oops. Posted this in the wrong spot. Sorry.

    • Aunt Letty says:

      Fire Fairy,

      I read this wherever else you posted it but can’t find it now, bah! So, I’ll reply here.

      Anyway, I’ve had to put "parental controls" (parental controls because I’m the parent and I’m controlling me. πŸ™‚ )on my Narniaweb visits, myself. You guys are all so much fun to talk Narnia to. You don’t engage in the inanity of most webchat. You actually have something to say!

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Thanks. My dad’s original reasoning that it was "bad" was because it sounded too much like a chat room. But a chat room that discusses the bible and gets after people for being degrading or using bad language isn’t a "chat room" in necessarily a bad sense, is it? I had a really tough time explaining it to him. To him, a chat room is a chat room, and that’s that.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Oh, and it’s on the first page, near the end, where we were having our amazing and overly long discussion, but that’s okay. I’ve come back to our discussion so many times I could probably find it with my eyes closed. πŸ˜‰

  • Fire Fairy says:

    Okay, I know it’s really late, but I was just watching LWW for an assignment (I know, it’s awesome, isn’t it?), and I couldn’t help noticing the significance of colors in the film, so I just had to share them. I’ll try to keep this short.

    I noticed that while most of the film depicts the White Witch and her followers using a cold palette of colors (whites, grays, blues, etc.), the stone table scene is the only time in the entire movie where they are showed with a warm color palette (orange, red, yellow, brown)! On closer inspection, I realized that the entire color scheme of the scene reflected the colors in Aslan’s fur and mane! Coincidence? I think not. Was it to show that even though Aslan was giving Himself up, He was the one in control, not the Witch, perhaps?

    Also, in that very scene, I noticed that it’s the only time where the witch and her followers are surrounded by so much fire…which is usually considered the "opposite" element of ice! Again, I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

    The other part about colors that I noticed is the battle. The witch and her followers are all depicted using metallic colors and textures, giving them a cold, dead feeling, while Aslan’s troops are shown with very warm, organic colors and textures, giving them the sense of being living and breathing. Isn’t that cool, or what??

    Okay, I’ll get off my soapbox now…thought I’d share that with everybody! Tell me what you think!

    • Puddleglum says:

      Exellent observations.
      That can be connected to the cross so well.
      While He died for us he could easily have levt the cross, and while He could have been killed like the two thieves, "He gave up His Spirit"

    • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

      Awesome, Fire Fairy! That is deep. πŸ˜€

    • Frodo Fan says:

      Wow! I never noticed that until you just posted that. That is really cool! It just goes to show you that there is more to this movie than meets the eye.

    • Princess Arya says:

      Fascinating! I had noticed that PC seemed to have deeper colors than LWW (LWW seemed to be brighter or something) but I never really read into it like that.

      It’s kind of like how the White Witch turns from her white icy gowns to her black battle one.

    • Aunt Letty says:

      Very interesting! I hadn’t noticed the shift to warm palette in the sacrificial scene. I think you’re on to something with your guess about the reason behind it. I wonder if it was done consciously by the creative team or instinctively?

      You’ve probably also noticed that the Telmarines in PC are all wearing very subdued, mostly grey colors. Very industrial, Ayn Rand-soviet colors. I wondered if that was a deliberate choice to represent Lewis’ attitude toward industrialization? He seemed to use the Telmarines to represent a certain kind of "civilization" that’s marked by excessive devotion to man’s cunning and skill, over nature’s gifts and God’s creative power.

      Interestingly, the embroidery on Caspian’s shirt, which we only really see after he’s had his white witch encounter and a change of paradigm, is very organic.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Sweet! That’s what I love about books and movies, especially ones like Narnia–there are so many little details that add to the significance of the movie that most people don’t notice!

      • TheScribblingScribe says:

        I never noticed that before! Great observations!

    • Fire Fairy says:

      Actually, another thing I noticed was a few cool things with the music. I actually noticed that a few of the themes in the frozen river scene are repeated in the battle! Forshadowing, maybe? Or it could be a representation of Peter’s internal battle… Thoughts, anyone?

      • Lutra's Pearl says:

        They also takemany of the songs from the LWW and use them in PC, only they make it deeperand a little more advanced then LWW. It that makes any sence.

  • Aunt Letty says:

    Oh, and we see it in the tree house when he first meets the Old Narnians. Hmmm.

  • cuppycakesrach says:

    finally some real news .. i was about to pull my hair out XD .. exciting stuff :DD funny thing is that’s how I imagined the dragon cave glod running over on the outside of the cave i’m so excited about the movie :DDD

  • Puddleglum says:

    I was wondering how many out there have read any of Lewis’s books, other than the Chronicles?
    The Space Trilogy perhaps?
    I found it very interesting to see just how his faith progressed, and was expressed in his writings.

    • Fire Fairy says:

      I’m actually currently reading The Screwtape Letters, and have checked out Till We Have Faces and The Space Trilogy. I decided that since I am such a fan of Narnia I might as well read C.S. Lewis’s other works. The Screwtape Letters is very fascinating and profound…I absolutely love it!!

    • Aunt Letty says:

      One of my favorites is his journal of the year after Joy passed away. I can relate to so much of what he ponders there.

    • Princess Arya says:

      I’ve read the Space Trilogy. I’d like to read The Screwtape Letters eventually; I have the book. I did start reading it but never finished.

  • Aunt Letty says:

    That "reply" button was just getting too far away!

    The barber analogy was a good one. And I liked the quote about a girl staying so close to God that a boy would have to look for God to find her. Likewise, a girl should look for a boy to whom she will be second in his heart, after God. That’s a young man you can depend upon.

    On the subject of atheism; I agree with what was said above (sorry but I’m too lazy to scroll through a second time and figure out who said what and too old to remember…pathetic), both the view that people choose atheism as a defense against what they see as a restriction of their freedom, and that people are simply too in love with their own "gods". Pride, too, is a factor. I think you’re all quite right about that.

    People more and more want to create God in their own image. Rather than seeking to find that which is bigger than themselves in order to build their lives around it, they seek that which will justify what they already want to do.

    On the other hand, I have met people who are kind, compassionate, honest, virtuous, unbelievers. People whom I could try to be more like. Who am I to judge what led them to their inability to accept whatever they’ve experienced and had presented to them as "God"? I judge only myself and how I use the light and knowledge that I’ve received.

    I think of the young Calormene captain in The Last Battle. I’m glad it’s not up to me to decide who belongs to Tash and who belongs to Aslan.

    Curious: what do you think of the dwarves in the stable not being taken up by either? Obviously, they acknowledged neither. Does that make them atheists? If so, what do you make of the fact that Tash didn’t claim them and Aslan fed them? These are not rhetorical questions. I really wonder what you make of it.

    • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

      Yeah, you are so right, Aunt Letty! And there are some religions today that are even teaching people that they will eventually all become God! Isn’t that what Satan was trying to do before he was cast out of heaven by God with a third of the angels? Just something to think about….

      About that dwarf thing….I need to go back and read that part of the book…hold on….Could you explain to me what the whole plot of that part of the story was?

      All I know is that you have to believe in Jesus as the Son of God to go to heaven and be with God for eternity. Everyone else is destroyed. It sounds harsh, but its the truth. So, In regards to that part of the story, I can’t comment until someone explains that part. Could someone help me? πŸ˜€

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Narniafan,

        the scene I was talking about is at the end of The Last Battle, in the chapter titled, "How the Dwarves Refused to be Taken In". Which is a clever double entedre. The dwarves refused to be "taken in" by what they see as a false idea of the existence of God, and consequently are unable to be taken in by God (Aslan) when he is actually present with them. It’s a profound analogy on several levels. If you take the time to re-read it, you’ll see what I mean.

        Just as we discussed earlier in regard to Susan and her fate, Lewis seems here to support the idea that God will not interfere with our ability to choose. The dwarves choose to deny Aslan’s existence, and Tash’s. Aslan lovingly gives them the opportunity to see and know him, but they have lost the ability by choice.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Yeah, just like people deny that there is God and Satan…. Just because all people don’t believe in them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. πŸ™‚
        And yes, I need to go and read that chapter. πŸ˜€ So, until then…tata! πŸ˜€

      • Fire Fairy says:

        narniafan4ever, let me explain to you something about the religions that teach that people will become God. I know this idea sounds ridiculous, and in that context, it is. But my religion actually teaches us that we all have the ability to progress; in other words, become gods ourselves. I hope I can explain this idea without sounding too radical or offending anybody. We don’t believe that we actually become God. What we believe is that God was once like us, a person on an earth with His own God, and, because of His righteousness, was exalted and was able to have His own spirit children and create His own worlds. So, in essence, we don’t believe we will become God, but that we will become like God, in the same way that a son or daughter grows up and becomes a father or mother, with children of their own. If we are righteous enough, we will become exalted and have our own spirit children and worlds, while at the same time recognizing God as our Father and God. Hope that’s not too deep or confusing. It makes sense to me, but that’s because it’s my religion. πŸ˜‰

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Fire Fairy….Are you a firm bible-only believer?

      • 220chrisTian says:

        narniafan4ever β™₯: ditto. Fire Fairy: what’s your source for all this?

      • Fire Fairy says:

        No, I’m not bible-only. This is from my religion; it’s modern revelation. Like I said, this is my personal beliefs. I don’t intend on putting anybody down or anything. It’s just what I believe.

      • 220chrisTian says:

        Fire Fairy: we ALL need to be Bible-only. We don’t need modern revelation. Because the Bible is God’s final revelation of Himself. Jesus Christ is the living Word. He is the One whom the Bible points to. He wrote the Bible. And the Holy Spirit reveals Christ to us through it. So I believe what the Bible says. Read J. I. Packer’s book "Truth and Power: The Place of Scripture in the Christian Life." http://www.ccel.us/packer.toc.html

      • Fire Fairy says:

        220chrisTian, I think that’s great that you believe so firmly in the bible. However, I would like to point out that my belief in modern revelation in no way diminishes my belief in the bible. In fact, it only strengthens it. In Hebrews 13:8 (KJV), it says, "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." Malachi 3:6 also says, "For I am the Lord, I change not…" If the Lord is unchanging why would he speak to His children in ancient times, yet not now? I know you don’t believe in things other than the bible, so you probably won’t think much of this, but in The Book of Mormon (yes, I’m Mormon. I’ll admit it!) in 2 Nephi 29:7,9-10, the Lord explains why the bible is not the only revelation, "Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those that are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring foth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?…And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I ahve spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever. Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye supppose that I have not caused more to be written."

        I hope you’re not offended. I’m not trying to prove you wrong, and I respect your beliefs. I’m just showing you why I personally believe in more than the bible. πŸ™‚

      • Fire Fairy says:

        220chrisTian, another thing on what you said. You said that Christ is the one whom the Bible points to. And I agree fully; so why can’t there be more that point to Him? The full title of The Book of Mormon is The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ. ANOTHER testament. Many people think we are not christian because we are "Mormons". What many people don’t realize, though, is that is simply a nickname. Our official name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". In other words, all of the scripture we believe in and all of our teachings point to Christ. Over half the verses in The Book of Mormon refer in some way or another to Christ. I’m not trying to be preachy or anything, I’m simply trying to clear up a common misunderstanding about my religion. I believe in Christ and the Bible just as firmly as a Bible-only Christian. I just believe that He is not done speaking to His people.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Wow, narniawebbers, I’m out of breath from trotting up to that "reply" button again. You guys are truly amazing.

        I see that this topic has caused some discomfort. I hope not enough to scare anyone off. This is a place for all us Narnia fanatics to enjoy each others’ fanaticism, so come one come all! Aravis, if the scriptural discussion isn’t your cup of tea, do start another topic, and we’ll all be glad to join you. There’s lots to discuss. These discussions do tend to veer into the scriptures, though, because that’s squarely where the author was coming from, as you said.

        Fire Fairy, I was just released as RS pres. πŸ™‚ .

        I hope we can all "enjoy our faith together" and not be like those who consider different beliefs from their own to be unworthy of consideration or respect. That would be Shift the Ape’s way of dealing with the situation.

        Puddleglum, Rom. 2:14-16 expresses what happens with the Calormene perfectly, in my opinion. Or vice versa, as the case is.

        It sounds as though everyone is in agreement that the dwarves are representational of atheists, undaunted unbelievers in the Word. What do you make of the way they are dealt with? What do you think Lewis was trying to express of his personal belief in regard to Aslan’s attitude toward them? Given that the stable door seems to represent an exit from the mortal life, what was Lewis saying about the end condition of those who simply refuse to believe? And, do you agree with his view?

        If anyone wants to hear my thoughts on this, I’ll give them, but I’m more interested in hearing others’ input, if they want to express it.

      • 220chrisTian says:

        Fire Fairy, I believe divine revelation ended with the book of Revelation, c. AD 90. God still speaks to me regularly. But I must compare what I hear with the Bible because it is God’s final revelation. Why? The devil deceives and I don’t want to be deceived. And sometimes I have an active imagination. So I need an external, authoritative source. And I have it in God’s Word. But I can’t force you to believe the way I do. Still, I want to share these verses with you. They explain my problem with the book of Mormon. Isaiah 8:20: "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." 2 Corinthians 11:4: "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." Galatians 1:8-9: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

      • 220chrisTian says:

        God speaks to me through His Word. Many times He’s reminded me of a verse and it will be just what I need for a situation. Other times He’ll relieve a prayer burden. In March God whispered to me part of Isaiah 49:15-16: "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? Yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee on the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me." You have no idea how comforting this was! But this is how God regularly speaks to me: through His Word.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        220chrisTian, I really do appreciate your insight. You have very valid claims for your beliefs. However, I want to point out that we do not preach of "another Jesus," nor do we preach "another Gospel". What our church teaches us is the same Gospel that was preached to the Jews and early Christians. "We believe in the same organization that existed in the primative church, namely Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, Teachers, Evangelists, etc." "We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the kingdom of God." The Christ that visited the ancient Americans was the same Christ that walked among the Jews; the only difference was that He was resurrected. He taught the ancient Americans the same things He taught the Jews. He simply visited another people to deliver them the same message He brought to the Jews.

        Another thing. 220chrisTian, did you know that Revelation was written before some of Paul’s epistles to the Gentiles? Just because it was placed in the end of the Bible doesn’t exactly mean it was the end of divine revelation.

        Okay, I think we’ve both argued enough. I’d love to hear what you have to say about this, but after that, can we be done? I get the feeling we’ll both be very dogmatic about the subject, and therefore we’ll never get anywhere. I respect your opinion; all I’m asking is that you’ll respect mine. πŸ™‚

      • 220chrisTian says:

        You’re right. We’ve both argued enough. 1. After checking online, I see that Revelation wasn’t written last. But it was almost last! John was an old man on the island of Patmos. The only later books are his epistes: 1,2,3 John. However, Paul’s epistles were the earliest NT books, written before the Gospels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament [imperfect but plenty of info] 2. Jesus Christ came to this earth as a Jew for Jews. He is their Messiah. Jesus witnessed to and helped many Gentiles. But He came for Jews. During His trial and crucifixion, Jesus was called "King of the Jews" [Matthew 27:11,29,37; John 19:19]. It was only after His ascension that the gospel spread to Gentiles [Cornelius, Acts 10]. Check out Matthew 10:5-6, 15:24. Also, the place of Jesus’ ministry was Israel. He never left it. I’m curious: according to Mormons, when did Jesus go to ancient Americans? And if so, how?

      • Fire Fairy says:

        That’s very interesting! I knew that Revelation was not last, but I wasn’t actually sure about the order the books were written. Thanks for looking that up!

        According to the Book of Mormon, Christ came to the ancient Americans in A.D. 34, only a few months after His death and resurrection.

        As to how, I think the best way to put it is to just quote the Book of Mormon. In 3 Nephi 11:3-12 (I apologize, it’s kind of long, but it’s a very long account), it says:

        "And it came to pass that while they were thus conversing one with another, they heard a voice as if it came out of heaven; and they cast their eyes round about, for they understood not the voice whitch they heard; and it was not a harsh voice, neither was it a loud voice; nevertheless…it did pierce them that did hear to the center, insomuch that there was no part of their frame that it did not cause to quake; yea, it did pierce them to the very soul, and did cause their hearts to burn.

        "And it came to pass that again they heard the voice, and they understoood it not.

        "And again the third time they did hear the voice, and did open their ears to hear it; and their eyes were towards the sound thereof; and they did look steadfastly towards heaven, from whence the sound came.

        "And behold, the third time they did understand the voice which they heard; and it said unto them:

        "Behold my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, in whom I have glorified my name–hear ye him.

        "And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them.

        "And it came to pass that he stretched forth his hand and spake unto the people, saying:

        "Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world.

        "And behold, I am the light and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorified the Father in taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning.

        "And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words the whole multitude fell to the earth; for they remembered that it had been prophesied among them that Christ should show himself unto them after his ascension into heaven."

        The account goes on for several more chapters, but, in essence, Christ shows them the prints of nails in his hands and feet and has them touch them, blesses the sick and afflicted, blesses the children, introduces the sacrament, quotes Isaiah, gives them the Sermon on the Mount, and chooses twelve men to lead the ancient Americans as disciples (not apostles, because the twelve apostle were in Jerusalem). I suggest reading it for yourself if you would like to see what He teaches them and whether you think He really was the same Jesus that went to the Jews. But, yeah, that’s the gist of it. πŸ™‚

      • Fire Fairy says:

        By the way, 220chrisTian, I know I just submitted a VERY long comment, but I just read the scriptures you’ve recommended, and thought I’d add something that you wouldn’t have known. Did you know that the Book of Mormon teaches that the ancient Americans were a branch of the house of Israel? Lehi, the man who took his family out of Jerusalem, into the wilderness, and across the ocean to America was a descendant of Joseph. That’s why we teach in our church that Ezekial 37:15-17 is about the Book of Mormon, "…take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah…then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph…And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in they hand." We believe that the stick, or record, of Judah is the bible, and the stick of Joseph is the Book of Mormon.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        I hope you don’t mind if I add something to this discussion…
        Fire Fairy: The verse you are referring to in Ezekiel 37 is talking about the fact that Judah and Israel would be reunited and that the kingdom would be reunited. The writer of this book was prophesying about the time when all the Israelites were gathered back together and under God’s care as one unit. Just read verses 22 and 23. Ezekiel is explaining that they two sticks represented the split of the Israelites and that they would be joined back together as one.
        Also, if your book of Mormon says that it is another book inspired by God, then why doesn’t the bible say that it is another book to listen to? I think that the bible would say very clearly if there was another book that was to go along with it. And if you recall, it says in the bible….im sory i don’t remember the verse….that we are not to add of take away to God’s word.

        So, I am not trying to offend you or anything,Fire Fairy. I just thought I would add my two cents. lol πŸ˜€

      • 220chrisTian says:

        Mark 16:19, Luke 24:51, and Acts 1:9-10 describe Christ’s ascension to heaven. When did this happen? 40 days after His resurrection. As the disciples gazed up into heaven, two angels said, "This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven" [Acts 1:11]. This is the promise of the Second Coming of Christ. And guess what? It hasn’t happened yet. We’re waiting for Jesus to return to earth a SECOND time, not a third. That’s what Revelation is all about. 19:11–"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True…"–describes Christ’s return to earth. This is what we’re waiting for. This is our living hope. And when He returns, He won’t come back with scars in His hands and feet. We’ll see what John saw in Revelation 1:13-16 and 19:11-16. Please read these passages.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        No, narniafan4ever, I’m not at all offended. I actually relish the chance to test my knowledge of the scriptures. πŸ˜€

        narniafan4ever: on what you said about Ezekial, in my church we are taught that "stick" is a reference to the records of the Jews, which were scrolls, and were rolled up on a stick. We are also taught that the phrase "and they shall become one in thy hand" is a prophecy of the last days (now), when the "stick of Judah" and the "stick of Joseph" come together and are in one book, like our "quads" today, which is our version of the scriptures, where the Book of Mormon and the Bible are located in one book. I can’t argue much more about it, other than that’s what I’m taught, because we’ll both stick to our interpretation of the scripture. πŸ˜‰ As to the bible telling of another book, the only time it does that is in Isaiah 29:11-12. This actually happened during the translation of the Book of Mormon, when a man helping Joseph Smith translate took a copy of the characters written on the gold plates to a professor of ancient languages, who tells him the characters are actual ancient characters. The professor then asked if he could see the book so he could translate it. The man tells him that he can’t, because the book is sealed (a large portion of the gold plates was sealed by a large metal band, and was never translated). The professor then angrily hands the characters back to the man, saying, "I cannot read a sealed book". The part in verse 12 referring to "him that is not learned" is talking about Joseph Smith, who had no more than a third grade education. The only other verse I can offer you is John 10:16, which says "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." In the Book of Mormon, in 3 Nephi 15:19,21-24, Christ tells the ancient Americans the meaning of this verse: "But, verily…the Father hath commanded me, and I tell it unto you, that ye were separated from among them [the Jews] because of their iniquity; therefore it is because of their iniquity that they know not of you. And verily I say unto you, that ye are they of whom I said: Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. And they understood me not, for they supposed it had been the Gentiles; for they understood not that the Gentiles should be converted through their preaching. And they understood me not that I said they shall hear my voice; and they understood me not that the Gentiles should not at any time hear my voice–that I chould not manifest myself unto them save it were by the Holy Ghost. But behold, ye have both heard my voice, and seen me; and ye are my sheep, and ye are numbered among those whom the Father hath given me."

        220chrisTian, I did read those verses, and you make a very good point. All I can say is that in my church we are taught that this was part of His first coming. I can’t remember where it says it, but somewhere in the Old Testament it says that the first time Christ will come, it will be as a "Prince of Peace", and that He will come the second time as a liberator. I’m not sure where it says that. On when He comes again, in my church we are taught that He will still have His wounds, but only for the convincing of the Jews. Nowhere in the verses you referred me to could I find anything that said He will return without wounds. I couldn’t find anything about it in the bible, but in my church’s Doctrine and Covenants 45: 51-53, Christ says, "And then shall the Jews look upon me and say: What are these wounds in thine hands and in they feet? Then shall they know that I am the Lord; for I will say unto them: These wounds are the wounds with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. I am he who was lifted up. I am Jesus that was crucified. I am the Son of God. And then shall they weep because of their iniquities; then shall they lament because they persecuted their king." We are taught that it is then that the Jews will finally come to realize and believe in Jesus Christ as their promised Messiah.

        Oh, wow, talk about writing a novel…I better go now. πŸ˜‰

      • 220chrisTian says:

        Fire Fairy, I thought more about what you said. I don’t want to offend you but this is what the Bible says. First of all, there’s no mention of America in the Bible. None! Why would God give β€œanother testament/gospel” that directly contradicts the Bible? He never contradicts Himself. He never lies. Testaments: Old and New. There are no more. Matthew 26:28: β€œFor this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” And regarding Jesus’ hands and feet, Christ humored doubting Thomas by showing him His hands, feet, and side. But Jesus also rebuked him saying, β€œBlessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed” [John 20:29]. 2 Corinthians 5:16: β€œWherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh; yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh [before His ascension], yet now henceforth know we Him no more.” It means we know Christ through the Spirit, i.e. through the Word. The Holy Spirit reveals Christ to us through the Word. β€œWe walk by faith, not by sight” [2 Cor 5:7]. Christ gave the Sermon on the Mount once. Why give it again? Also, why make Americans a chosen people? Jews were God’s chosen people; now it’s all Christians everywhere. The gospel is international. It has been from the beginning. Why make Americans special? Why single them out this way? It’s not biblical.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Aunt Letty….Just so you know, America IS in fact mentioned in the bible….but it is in revelation and that would take some time to explain…and this is really not the place for me to explain it anyways cause this is a Narnia Website, not bible trivia site…lol…unless you want to know…I will explain it then….but I agree with everything else. πŸ˜€

      • Fire Fairy says:

        220chrisTian, all I can say is that Christ told the Americans that the Jews did not know of them because of their iniquity (as mentioned previously). Also, He never said the Americans were a chosen people, because He also told them that after He visited them He would be visiting the lost ten tribes of Israel. I don’t have the time to look up all the scriptures right now. On the wounds in His hands and feet, I think we’ve reached a moot point. At this point, we’re arguing our interpretations of the scriptures, rather than actual scripture itself, so we probably ought to just drop it. When we get to arguing interpretations, you’re getting to a point where we’re using opinion rather than fact, and that gets us nowhere. πŸ™‚

    • 220chrisTian says:

      I thought the Dwarfs were atheists. This issue came up in the "Christian themes in the Last Battle" thread: http://www.narniaweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=444 "The dwarves refused to be "taken in" by what they see as a false idea of the existence of God, and consequently are unable to be taken in by God (Aslan) when he is actually present with them. It’s a profound analogy on several levels." … Thanks, Aunt Letty. πŸ™‚

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Yeah, that seems to be the case. They don’t believe in Aslan, or want to meet him if he exists. "Dwarfs are for Dwarfs!" lol
        I think that the last battle in general is really quite a profound book with so many parallels! I mean, think about it.

        β€’ The last free nation has fallen…the old Narnia
        β€’ The Shift/Puzzle mix is kind of like the Anti-Christ/false prophet mix.
        β€’ Just as they have Puzzle claim to be Aslan, so will the Anti-Christ claim to be God, but in essence, is not God at all.
        β€’ The Calormen soldiers are like the power mentioned in the bible that tries to force everyone to worship the Anti-Christ or "false Aslan."
        β€’ Only a few have recognized that this is not the real Aslan…(the whole world will wonder after the Anti-Christ)
        β€’ They try to mix the pagan god(s) with the real God…(who really isn’t the real God at all….only claims to be.)
        β€’ The real Narnia is Heaven

        I mean, the list goes on and on! These are just a few that I thought of as I am sitting here. πŸ™‚

        I still think we need some more news on how the Voyage of the Dawn Treader is coming….It has been a while! We were getting updates like every day for a while…I guess I got spoiled?.?.?. *smiles sheepishly* πŸ™‚

      • Fire Fairy says:

        narniafan4ever, don’t get me started! There are so many parallels! There are even some that fit with my religion’s specific views on the end of the world and all that (I’m not saying my religion’s better than everybody else’s, though. Just thought I’d clarify that. πŸ™‚ ) That’s probably why LB is one of my favorite books: it’s tied with MN.

        Agh, I’ve got somewhere to go. πŸ™ I’ll have to come back later. I’ve got so much I want to say. πŸ˜‰

      • Aravis Tarkheena says:

        Ok I get the book is about religion but please don’t make any comments about religion I just want to enjoy Narnia without going to church.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Aravis Tarkheena,

        I respect your comments. We are not trying to make you go to church while you read the book. We are just discussing how we read the book. This is a discussion page! πŸ˜€ Sorry if you are offended by our comments. We aren’t trying to offend anyone. We are just having a conversation.
        I will be praying for you! πŸ˜€

      • Puddleglum says:

        Aravis;
        When those of like interests find one another they will discuss that interest.
        Like narnia4ever I can respect you, But please show us the same respect by not trying to limit our enjoyment of our faith together.

    • Puddleglum says:

      Finally can get back on.
      Aunt Letty, your example of the young calormene was I believe Lewis’s expression of Romans 2:14-16. While I firmly believe that we only have salvation in Christ, He will always try to show even the un-believer.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Wow, narniawebbers, I’m out of breath from trotting up to that "reply" button again. You guys are truly amazing.

        I see that this topic has caused some discomfort. I hope not enough to scare anyone off. This is a place for all us Narnia fanatics to enjoy each others’ fanaticism, so come one come all! Aravis, if the scriptural discussion isn’t your cup of tea, do start another topic, and we’ll all be glad to join you. There’s lots to discuss. These discussions do tend to veer into the scriptures, though, because that’s squarely where the author was coming from, as you said.

        Fire Fairy, I was just released as RS pres. .

        I hope we can all "enjoy our faith together" and not be like those who consider different beliefs from their own to be unworthy of consideration or respect. That would be Shift the Ape’s way of dealing with the situation.

        Puddleglum, Rom. 2:14-16 expresses what happens with the Calormene perfectly, in my opinion. Or vice versa, as the case is.

        It sounds as though everyone is in agreement that the dwarves are representational of atheists, undaunted unbelievers in the Word. What do you make of the way they are dealt with? What do you think Lewis was trying to express of his personal belief in regard to Aslan’s attitude toward them? Given that the stable door seems to represent an exit from the mortal life, what was Lewis saying about the end condition of those who simply refuse to believe? And, do you agree with his view?

        If anyone wants to hear my thoughts on this, I’ll give them, but I’m more interested in hearing others’ input, if they want to express it.

        And, I’m posting this twice (sorry!!) because I somehow mis-posted it way above here. sorry, sorry…

      • Puddleglum says:

        I’m not sure that this is a perfect "fit" scripturally, but here goes.
        Aslan’s reaction to the dwarves may be compaired to Jesus’s reaction to the rich young ruler. When the man turned away, Jesus made no attempt to chase him down, no forced conversion, no watering down of the gospel to make it less "offensive". Jesus just loved him.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        I hear what you’re saying, Puddleglum, and I agree that there is evidence of compassion and of allowing the dwarves their agency, or freedom of choice. Which is what you and I are scripturally commanded to give to all, in emulation of our Lord, Jesus Christ. This situation with these "atheistic" dwarves has an interesting wrinkle, however.

        What I’m getting at, primarily, is that this scene takes place on the INSIDE of the stable. In other words, these dwarves have exited mortality, and therefore, in the reality that Lewis’ created here, Aslan’s actions constitute a Judgement, in effect. I do not see any evidence of them being cast into any hellish state for their choice. I do see them simply existing in the reality they choose to accept. It’s an interesting little twist on things.

        CofN, while uplifting and thought-provoking, isn’t scripture, nor would Lewis wish it to be treated as such I’m sure, so it’s foolish to look too closely at it for doctrinal implications, nevertheless, I think it possible Lewis was saying something here about his personal beliefs in regard to how God judges the fool and unbeliever.

        (And, before anyone takes offense, the word ‘fool’ here refers to one who has been deceived by untruth, not someone who is necessarily lacking in brains. In fact, often as not, it is the "smart" among us who are easy to fool.)

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Well, Aunt Letty….if you remember, the whole world is destroyed at the end of the book. Well, our world will be destroyed once all the believers have been caught up with Jesus and go to the New City. So, they could be representing the fact that all the wicked are destroyed for ever. They aren’t burning Hell forever. God wouldn’t do that. All the wicked are destroyed in, yes, an unquenchable fire…but an unquenchable fire doesn’t mean it never goes out, it just mean no one puts it out. Like, think about a fire in your wood stove; It burns until there is nothing left to burn, then it goes out. So, I think that maybe the dwarfs are just one representation of those who may not worship THE God, or any other god like Tash, but they are still destroyed at the end of time. πŸ™‚
        Just my idea of it….what do you think?

      • Fire Fairy says:

        This is a very interesting discussion. For once I’m actually not going to refer to the bible. The dwarves’ situation actually reminds me of Dante’s Inferno. I don’t know who’s read it, but those who have, the Dwarves’ situation makes me think of limbo, made for the "fence-sitters" in life, because neither Heaven nor Hell would take them in. Their fate was to chase a flag, never being able to catch it, all the while being stung by wasps. The dwarves were "for the dwarves" and couldn’t be "taken in". In essence, they were choosing not to choose, and would therefore never find the happiness nor punishment they could have had.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        yes, narniafan, I think you have it there with, "no one puts it (the fire) out". Hell, or damnation, or destruction is perhaps a state of mind as much as anything. As we’ve said in our last discussion; a choice.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Aunt Letty,

        Just so we are clear….I believe that the Bible doesn’t preach an eternal-burning hell. That would not be something that a loving God would do. He doesn’t delight in the destruction of the wicked. So, it would be even more painful for God to have all these people he created being eternally tortured. God destroys Satan and Hell in the end….then His people along with Him live for eternity with him. πŸ™‚ I mean, how would you be able to let your own child that you had born to be daily tortured for all of his life just because he didn’t obey your commands? I mean, you still love that child, just not his actions. So, God loves everyone and wants them all to be able to live with Him of r eternity. But, God can’t live in the presence of sin. So, he created an easier way than continually sacrificing animals for our sins and had Jesus come and die to be that Ultimate Sacrifice. Now, we just have to accept that gift. But, because of free will and that fact that Satan makes the sinful way seem so pleasant, that some will reject that Gift and as a result have to be destroyed because sin has to be destroyed.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Yes, the book of Ezekiel has some clear and plain things to say about the subject of God’s will for the wicked and that He does not delight in their destruction. I should give you chapter and verse, (it’s highlighted in my Bible), but I’m so tired and it’s late and I should also be in bed. I’ve stayed up too late, working on my novel.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        narniafan4ever, I can’t back up my claims right now (I’m not sure what verses in the bible back it up), but in my religion class, we talked about how even though God hates to see His children suffer, He is perfect, and therefore perfectly obedient to the laws He set. Justice demands that when a law is broken, a punishment must be endured. It is only through the Atonement of Christ that God can be merciful, because Christ suffered for sins. Even then, the Atonement only takes affect when we do our best. We still suffer, just not as much as we could have. Those who break the law and do not turn to Christ must suffer the entire consequence for their decisions. But, then, Hell will be abolished. We do teach, though, that there will be some that suffer eternally in what we call "Outer Darkness", but that is reserved for Lucifer, his angels, and those who had a perfect knowledge of God and Christ and still denied them and the Holy Ghost. So, in a way, you are right, but I don’t believe Satan will be destroyed, simply because I believe it to be impossible to destroy a spirit, which is precisely what Satan is.

    • narnian resident says:

      you know i think its amazing when we begin to talk about stuff like this. i always knew narnia would bring up conversations like this. well, lets face it, we’re all different. i refuse to say that any religion is the right one because, truly, i have no say in it. i am a firm believer in my own religion, and i will do what i believe to do. indeed, i am to go out and be a "prophet unto the nations". (i think only fellow cristians will understand that) i am not to go out and scold and force others to believe what i believe. ya know why? because we human beings have been given a free choice. we have the reward of free choice, to choose our religion, our beliefs, our faith. and because i am a cristian, and this is what the bible says, this is a promise from God, that though He loves us so much, and wants all of us with Him, He kept a promise He made when man was born. sometimes we never realize it, but we truly have the ultimate freedom of all things: the choice of yes or no. i will still be praying for everyone, because though we have that freedom, i can at least be a help to people in making that choice when the Time comes. one day we will all stand before the Gates, and we will be asked: "yes…or no?"

    • TheScribblingScribe says:

      Sorry- but does this discussion have anything to do with the topic? It’s not that I want to discourage it; but I think we should keep it Narnia based.:) Correct me if I’m wrong, though!

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Depends on your point of view as to what is "Narnia based", Scribe. For instance, Lewis and Tolkien were friends as you probably know, and discussed their views on God and various religious doctrines at length, over a period of years. The Chronicles of Narnia and The Lord of the Rings were written partly as a way to illuminate their personal exigesises. The books and the religious discussions were interrelated.

        So in that sense this discussion and others like it that have been going on here are as "Narnia based" as they could be. Imagine sitting down at Lewis’ table in the pub where the Inklings regularly met and insisting that he keep his discussion "Narnia based", meaning no straying into doctrinal questions.

        Tolkien and Lewis disagreed on some fundamental doctrinal issues and eventually had a years-long falling out with one another. So far, the Narniawebbers seem to be doing pretty well at finding common ground.

  • WilliamLuver13 says:

    When is the new New coming out i’ve been waiting…………

  • Matthias of Redwall says:

    has anyone heard news about who will play Ramandu ??
    I know I keep asking, but I’m curious how they
    are planning on introducing the actor…..perhaps they want to keep it a surprise?
    Anyone have any thoughts on this?

  • Puddleglum says:

    Another thought dealing with the movies themselves. Has anyone heard if there are any plans to make The Magician’s Nephew? You wouild think that they would need that to help explain the professores connection to Narnia, as well as the rings that Peter, and Edmund dig up.

    • Fire Fairy says:

      I’ve heard that they plan on making all seven books into movies.

    • Puddleglum says:

      The good thing about the books, Horse and his boy, and the Magician’s Nephew are that they can be done without the current actor’s. Unless they wanted to re-introduce those who played the older Kings and Queens just before they returned to "our" world.
      But Magician’s Nephew must be done before the Last Battle, for the reasons I’ve stated before.

  • Puddleglum says:

    narnia fan4ever;
    I will make one comment on the "boy-girl" issue discussed on the other page.
    An old poem I will most likely do no justice to goes like this;
    God did not take a bone from Adam’s foot, for him to stand above Eve.
    Nore did He take a bone from Adam’s head for her to stand above him.
    Rather, He took a rib,
    So that Adam may protect Eve under his arm.
    Also that she may be there to support him in his times of weakness.

    • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

      Exactly Right. I agree with you completely. In a marriage, the man is to protect the woman, and the woman to respect the man. But they are also to help each other….you know, "Be a help-meet" πŸ™‚ God said that it is not good for man to be alone.

    • Lutra's Pearl says:

      That is a really cool way to put it. I think all of the young boys at our church should hear that. Keep the story of Aslan alive!

    • Puddleglum says:

      I honestly cannot remember the authors name, but I put it in cards whenever I’m invited to weddings.

    • Fire Fairy says:

      That’s really cool! Is it okay if I copy it so I can have it as a quote?

  • Nuts4Narnia says:

    ok so I was reading the vdt and for some reason I just dont see Ben Barnes playing Caspian!! I always thought the whole arguement about the accent was dumb and not important but I think that was one of the reasons that I dont see him playing it and also he’s supposed to be blond. I dont know maybe I just got to used to the bbc movies. Comments??

    • Princess Arya says:

      Me too. I got used to the BBC. I think the movie will be fine though when it comes out.

    • Puddleglum says:

      I would have preferred a younger actor for the role. I can see some complications when they try to fit him in at the end by the time they make the Silver Chair.
      Also enjoyed BBC version. Tom Baker was a perfect "ahem" Marsh-Wiggle.
      But I must also admit the people in animal outfits were a little tacky.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        I haven’t seen the second half of the BBC VDT and SC at all. I really should, though. I agree with you, though. The thing about the BBC versions of the movies that bothered my brother and I the most were the way the animals were portrayed. We understood that that was the best technology they had at the time, but we just didn’t find it very believable. Same with the ghosts and spectors in the BBC LWW, and the battle. It really annoyed us that they stood in the same spot and wove a sword around like a little kid would a stick. As much as we loved the stories, we had a hard time watching the BBC movies. The only reason we ever watched them was because it was all we had (we didn’t know about the cartoon version). But that’s probably because we love movies as an art form and are always trying to figure out how they did something and all that.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        oh, my goodness, yes, the funky little beaver costumes…:).

        But, they did a great job of staying with the voice and tone of the books, don’t you think? Much more so than the current movies. I wonder if people who saw the new movies first and then went to the books out of curiosity would be taken aback by the differences of style? Anyone have any experience of this?

        Off-topic; has anyone else noticed that british writers seem to come up with the best stories for childhood and beyond? My kids tend to speak slightly in british vernacular from spending so many hours with Lewis, Tolkien, Rowling, Pratchett, Wynne-Jones, Sutcliff, and others, as well as all the superb british drama we have on video (we don’t do t.v., just video).

      • TheScribblingScribe says:

        Aunt Letty, I have noticed that a lot. I love all those books, and listen to their audio counterparts as well. Sometimes I even find myself slipping into an English accent, because I’ve seen and heard so many English actors perform from these books πŸ˜€ There are very few fiction novels that I can compare to Lewis, Tolkien, Lloyd and Rowling. Perhaps the American culture affects American authors in a negative way…

      • TheScribblingScribe says:

        Also, as I am a writer, I tend to lean towards British-type settings and British speaking characters. I suppose it’s because I spend so much of my reading time with those kinds of books.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Yeah, I know what you mean. It’s a bit of a liability, what with the whole "write what you know" adage. I only know fictional Britain.

      • Puddleglum says:

        Unfortunatly I must agree with you about most writers in the US. We just do not have many Mark Twains in modern American liturature.
        Though I do hold out hope. Frank Paretti comes to mind, though he has not come up with anything of late. Believe it or not you might find a good story teller in the Christian romances. Mrs. Puddleglum has become quite stuck on some authors, Janette Oake being one, Karen Kingsbury is another.

      • Princess Arya says:

        Whew, I leave for a couple days, come back,and there are a BUNCH of comments…. In any case, nonetheless, I had a hard time believing the BBC adaptations too, Fire Fairy. They just didn’t seem realistic (to top off all the animals and stuff, all the battles were in slow motion!). But Aunt Letty, I think they did a fine job staying in the spirit of the books. There was none of this "save-the-world" epic stuff.

      • Puddleglum says:

        The BBC did have the advantage of more time to fit more of the books dialoge in.
        Two lines I particularly missed in PC;
        When Aslan was restoring Reepacheep’s tail He told him why the mice could talk. After they "freed" His body on the stone table.
        Also, when Aslan tells the Telmarens that they were descended from brigands, Caspian wished to have a more noble liniage. He is told that to be a Son of Adam was enough to make proud the lowest begger, and humble the greatest king.
        I do not have the books in front of me, so I hope I have the quotes right.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Don’t worry about it, we know what you mean. I’m always quoting them and then later discovering that I didn’t quite get the quote right. You’d think I’d learn to pull a copy off the shelf and check first.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Here, Puddleglum, I’ve got the book right next to me. I’ll find it for you…

        "Not for the sake of your dignity, Reepicheep, but for the love that is between you and your people, and still more for the kindness your people showed me long ago when you ate away the cords that bound me on the Stone Table (and it was then, though you have long forgotten it, that you began to be TALKING Mice), you shall have your tail again." Sorry about using caps, but I can’t italicize.

        "’You come of the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve,’ said Aslan. ‘And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth. Be content.’" Oooh, I LOVE that quote!! It just gives me the chills! I’m tempted to write it up to add to my apartment’s quotes (we’re writing up quotes to make our boring white kitchen look a little more interesting!)!

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        ah….I love that quote, too. πŸ˜€

      • Puddleglum says:

        Thank you Fire Fairy. My copies are buried in boxes right now. Must get them out soon.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        Anytime. πŸ˜‰

  • Peepicheep says:

    Awesome! I wonder what the dragon will look like?

    • TheScribblingScribe says:

      Hopefully a bit better than the BBC one πŸ˜‰

      • Puddleglum says:

        Anything would be better than a man in an ill fitting costume.

      • Fire Fairy says:

        No kidding! I am so excited to see how they do it, especially with today’s technology; imagine, a "realistic-looking" dragon!! How can you make an imaginary, mythical creature look realistic? πŸ˜‰ But, yeah, they’ve already done so well with Aslan, and the trees, and the River God, and the Centaurs, and I could go on and on…. πŸ˜€

      • TheScribblingScribe says:

        Mmm I loved the River God! This’ll be really cool, I can tell! πŸ˜€

      • Puddleglum says:

        They include Reepacheep’s offer to do battle as well. Adds to the character.

      • Puddleglum says:

        Sorry, did not explain myself. When they meet the Dragon/Eustace, I believe that he offers to do single combate with it.

    • Puddleglum says:

      I am just wondering how they will do the scene where Aslan "sheds" Eustace’s skin.

      • Aunt Letty says:

        Yes, there was a whole, multifaceted discussion on that very subject a while back. Too bad we don’t have page numbers on this message board, I could point you to it. It’d be too hard to find at this point, and now I really am off to bed…

      • TheScribblingScribe says:

        Maybe showing it in a shadow cast on a nearby rock, or something?

  • 220chrisTian says:

    Aravis: I’m curious. Why do you not want to talk about Jesus, evangelism, Christianity in Narnia, salvation of cast and crew members, etc? If our religion is real, it will show up everywhere! It’s not private in that sense, even though our experience with Christ is personal. πŸ˜‰ Everyone: my website this time is AslansCountry.com. I’m a mod there. πŸ™‚

  • Aunt Letty says:

    I’m wondering how they’ll handle the scenes where Caspian gets carried away with the adventure of it all at the end of the voyage East and wants to abandon his original quest and his responsibility to Narnia and go onward with Reep and the Pevensies and Eustace. I could see that getting really "creepy", but it’s so simple and natural in the book.

    And the next part, too; where he sees the face of Aslan and comes back to them humbled. I don’t know. I don’t mean to be cynical, but I will be surprised if that purity isn’t lost in movieland’s version of "interesting". I hope not. It shows Caspian in such an admirable light. It doesn’t need jazzing up, in my opinion. Like the stone table scene in LWW, I really want that part to play out the way it does in the book.

    • Fire Fairy says:

      Hmm, what to say to that?

      You’re very right, though: it’ll be easy for them to get carried away cinematically. Although, I must say, images of Tumnus and Aslan appearing in the fire leap into my head… But anyways, I really hope they do that part right (like everything else…).

    • tenthofthatname says:

      That’s one of my favorite scenes in the book. Honestly I feel like the movie will make it bittersweet the same way they made the ending of PC more melancholy than the book narrative suggested but I enjoyed that very much. Lewis does write the farewell between Caspian and the others was very sad even though he doesn’t actually go into detail. That doesn’t mean the film should have to gloss over it too. I would really like for these two scenes to be as sad as suggested. Caspian looking like Miraz for a moment is an excellent insight into his character, his ambition, and how in the end he does the right thing by not breaking faith with his people. I honestly feel like the current film team will pull it off well, they’ve already had Caspian demonstrate how he was "not one like you" in PC.

    • Aunt Letty says:

      I guess I was thinking of Peter and how his character was shifted around to make his story more interesting in PC.

      That bit at the end of VDT with Caspian wanting to change his quest is probably rife with drama enough as it is, without movieland enhancement. You’re probably right. It may even be better in the film.

  • Matthias of Redwall says:

    I must say, I’m curious as to how they will
    depict Aslan’s country in the film…will they show
    only light as Reepicheep sails to AC, or will we actually
    be able to see it?

    • Fire Fairy says:

      Oooh, I am so excited to see how they do that!! Especially since C.S. Lewis was actually quite precise on what it looked like. I really do hope they make it so we can see it!

    • Puddleglum says:

      I am worried how they intend to do the scene in which the sheep/Aslan, becomes the Lion/Aslan.
      By far one of the most symbolic scenes in the whole series.

      • narniafan4ever β™₯ says:

        Yeah, me too. I love that part in the book! I can’t wait to see how all of this comes out. πŸ˜€

      • Fire Fairy says:

        The subject of the depiction of Aslan in the movies is a very touchy one among many of the Narnia fans. I feel the same way as you do. The lamb turning into the lion is incredibly important. I also hope they do the albatross right. Another Aslan appearance that could easily be botched up. Especially since this is the first film where we will see Aslan in a form other than his familiar Lion form.

  • narnia fan7 says:

    Im ok with it