Douglas Gresham on Future Narnia Films

C.S. Lewis’ stepson (and co-producer of the films) Douglas Gresham appeared on Middle-earth Radio today and said a few words about the possibility of future Narnia films. He confirmed that “Walden’s contract with the company has expired,” but he hopes to be able to start production on another film in “three or four years time.” When asked which of the remaining books he is most excited about seeing on screen, he simply answered “all of them.” Listen to a couple short clips below:

Paul Martin from also appeared on the program!

UPDATE: The full discussion is on iTunes. (Select the first option)

297 Responses

  1. Charlotte says:

    Tooo long!!!! ๐Ÿ™

    • Snicket says:

      The worst part is that with the next film at LEAST 3-4 years away the actors will have aged too much for any continuation of the series. So the options are:

      1. Do MN and see how it goes. (this makes any further movies difficult because of the actors age)
      2. Complete reboot of the entire franchise

      Either way, Narnia as we know it in film now is dead.

      • Aliea says:

        Personally… Though I wish it would be sooner, I don't really see the actor age problem… After all, it never says how long it is between VDT and SC, so Will Poulter could still to the job in three years, I think.
        And when it comes to the Pevencies, it doesn't specify thier ages in LB, except that Lucy had "Grown into a young lady" (At least, I think I remember it saying that somewhere…). In 3-4 years, Georgie will be 18-19, which seems like the perfect LB age to me…
        Maybe that's just me, though…

      • coracle says:

        Aliea, it does say in the books – it's only a few months, less than a full term (1/3 of school year in England), between VDT and SC.
        I could see them stretching it out to 12 months, so that Eustace has done a lot of growing in that time (like Edmund did between LWW and PC). Will could play a 15-16 year old now or in the next few years.
        Eustace is the only character who reappears, apart from Trumpkin (as an elderly dwarf, just different makeup), and Caspian at the end (and his look can be same as in VDT).

      • DamselJillPole says:

        I'm 100% up for option 2! Please reboot these series!

      • Dylan says:

        Noooo way am I up for option 2. Sorry, but I like the other movies and I would like if the series stayed with the same acotrs and all that.

      • Samuel says:

        True the VDT to SC transition is the only "problem," the pevensies can play older selves in LB and HHB. The statement I find weird, coracle, is the one you say about caspian having the same look at the end of SC? he's an elderly Caspian at that time… I'd even suggest that make-up wouldn't do a good job to age that much and have a different actor do that part anyway…

        but I am in the reboot camp, I love LWW and PC, but I'd really like them to redo VODT, and rebooting only one of the movies and continuing the rest would be just weird

      • Dylan says:

        Actually, now that I think about it, a Narnia reboot would actually be quite interesting. I just want them to re do VDT, thats all I want.And yes, for the VDT SC transition, its probably safe to go with a different actor.

      • Anhun says:

        @Samuel: First of all, at the end of SC, Caspian is revived in Aslan's Country as a young man, so he could be played by Ben Barnes in that particular scene. Though, I agree that they should get someone new to play old Caspian in the rest of the movie.

        Second of all, I don't think a partial reboot would be weird at all. Each of the Narnia books, except for PC, is a complete, self-contained story. There is no central plot that carries through, like the Harry vs. Voldemort plot in the Potter series. If you consider that VDT is the first book in the Eustace trilogy, and set Eustace up as the focal character, starting with VDT makes a lot of sense. Yes, I know this would be a bit different from the book, which has Lucy and Eustace as the two focal characters, or the Walden movie, which focused more on Lucy, but I still think it could work.

    • Jeri says:

      Please find a way to keep the movies with the same characters as my granddaughter loves them – she is only 8 – a great testimony to the power of your films!

    • Well maybe the Narnia series needs a clean slate, since PC and VDT didn't do so well at the box office, because a lot less people cared about them, because they weren't nearly as good as LWW. It just sucks that we have wait so long for the production of the next Narnia movie, or maybe even a reboot, which I had hoped would never happen, but now it seems more likely than ever.

      • I'm sorry I've just read what I wrote for a second, and I realized that I wasn't very clear. What I meant to say was that, even though before I hated the idea of a reboot, I changed my mind and would like the idea of a reboot now, because of the terrible direction the Narnia movie franchise is going. I just wanted to clear that up so I don't sound like a total idiot, even if no one reads this, it just makes myself feel better.

  2. Sandra says:

    I agree with Charlote, it's a long way until we get a chance to have other Narnia movie. Waiting for this to happen sooner.

  3. George says:

    Too long is absolutely right! with the public's short attention span they will have completely forgotten the existing films by then-and the longer it goes the less likely there will be any future films-sad state of affairs…

    • glumPuddle says:

      That might not be such a bad thing. Maybe this series needs a good, clean-slate, fresh start.

      • 220CT / S&G says:

        Well said, glumPuddle! I agree with the clean slate, the fresh start.

        I believe God has let the franchise die "in the flesh" so he can bring it back "in the spirit." This is just the end of one thing and the beginning of another. Was the day of Jesus's death sad? Yes, but look what he accomplished! Think of this as Friday night. We'll have to endure Saturday. But then will come resurrection Sunday for Narnia in X years.

        I'm convinced they'll do SC next. This is what Gresham wants, not MN. Walden's Micheal Flaherty is the one who wanted MN next. I don't think Will Poulter will be too old either. Don't worry. Leave God with the timing and casting. ๐Ÿ™‚

        I keep saying on Facebook that I want Sherwood Pictures to do Narnia 4 – because I pray they'll the best in film-making when it's time, not just because they're Christian! Is this impossible? Yes, but only with man. Nothing is impossible with God. We must believe God for the miracle of the impossible, what man cannot do but only what God can do – with ease.

        God bless you all! ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Dylan says:

        I think "Clean slate" means doing Magicians Nephew next. SC would not have a "Clean slate", given that it is a sequel to VDT. I say do MN.

      • Moonwood says:

        I agree

    • Marsh Waha says:

      I completely agree, that is way too long to be waiting for another Narnia or any movie for that matter. Besides I am worried that Andrew Adamson or Micheal Apted might not want to direct the next movie.

      • Anhun says:

        Apted leaving the series is something to worry about?

      • Dylan says:

        WHAT? Who would be dissapointed to see Apted leave?

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        You know what? Hiring Apted is one mistake I cannot blame Walden for. It made so much sense at the time. I was absolutely delighted when I heard they had landed him. I love a TONNE of his films. It's only when you do your due diligence that you see the bigger picture. He is, often, a FANTASTIC director when handling intimate, character-driven stories that personally appeal to him. When he takes a job for the sake of a job (can't blame himโ€”we all have to eat), there is a considerable drop-off in quality and personal investment. His Bond film, for example, is really by-the-numbers, one-take, bland fare.

        That was, really, the most disappointing aspect of 'Dawn Treader' to me. There was such a feeling of… neglect. Of complete indifference as to what the characters were doing or saying at any given time. 'Dawn Treader' felt like a really dull, fast-paced, dream. Insubstantial, inconsequential, and you'd forget it as soon as you woke up. It felt like Apted was trying to SURVIVE the experience, instead of enjoying it, and creating something beautiful.

        Anyway, as much as I criticize Walden, I would have done the exact same thing. It was a really good gamble that didn't pay off. Live and learn. Hopefully, they'll do both.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        yeah, nice of Apted to destroy the 2nd most important book in the series. good going, dude, if he was hardly interested (which was obvious by the film) he should have passed on the project.

      • Anhun says:

        Interesting . . . why is VDT the second most important and which one is the first? In other discussions, I've ranked the books according to personal preference, quality of writing, and tone, but it never occurred to me to rank them according to importance. I'm not even sure what that means.

      • Dylan says:

        Maybe you ment the second most POPULAR book, but improtance is another story. If you meant that it was important for them to make the movie good, maybe that makes sense, but I didnt write the comment so I wouldnt know.

  4. Lisa says:

    It's too far off for my taste! Though- that will be perfect for my little one as he'll be able to enjoy them. I only hope once they do resume they can stay closer to the books than the last film.

  5. Milady of Narnia says:

    I Agree, too long. ๐Ÿ™

  6. AlovesW says:

    I hope, if they do have to wait three or four years, that they keep the same cast. I can't imagine anyone else playing Peter, Susan, Lucy, Edmund, Aslan, and Eustace. And at least when they do create the next film I'll be older so I may have a better chance at least at auditioning for the role of Jill Pole though that's not likely. I just hope, like everyone said, that people don't forget about Narnia in that time span.

  7. aslan's child says:

    noooo im gonna die by then without the narnia movies!!!!!he needs to fight harder to get them to be made now,besides Will is gonna be way too old by then and i cant stand the idea of eustace being played by somebody else!!!!!!!!!!

    • Hiking Peter says:

      Hang in there, Christ might come back before then, and then we won't have to see the terrible Eustace etc.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        that's what im worried about, the end times will come before the nania series! arggghhhhh

      • 220CT / S&G says:

        Jesus will come back soon, but not before Narnia is resurrected on the screen. I am certain of this, absolutely certain. We're gonna have a Elijah-Elisha period of mentoring [1 Kings 19-2 Kings 2 fulfilling Malachi 4:5-6], then a worldwide end-times revival, then the rapture and Jesus's return! I think Narnia 4 might come at the end of the mentorship, or the beginning of the revival. It's just a guess. But this is how I think all this will play out. Read page 2 of this blog post.

        PS. High Queen, why did you refer to Perry Stone?

      • Dylan says:

        OK, I feel it is necessary to say this. Of course what you are saying is pure speculation, and that is fine. But God mentioned that nobody knows the time or the date save Him, and that it (rapture, second coming, etc.) will come like a thief in the noght when nobody expects it, so I say this, let's not worry about it, it could happen right now, or in the next second, but I think we dont need to focus on it so much. As for Narnia 4 coming before the rapture, it could be that way. I dont know if we can really classify the time periods as the mentorship and the revival and all that, because there are many different theories as to how it will play out. But the end times are coming, they are almost here, and I think the weather circumstances coming about are proof of this. It seems almost as if every year the weather and natural catastrophies semm to be increasing, so it seems the the end times are eminent. I'll just say this, I know I'm ready, and I cant wait to see heaven!

      • @220CT: I highly doubt that God really cares about the Narnia series, since they're made by secular moviemakers. Jesus is not scheduling His return around the Narnia movies, I can assure you that!

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        @220- perry stone was the producer who recently died that said he had obtained financing for Magician's Nephew,. if he were still alive, i think things would not have come to a stop.

        @dylan – scripture says no one knows the day or hour but I (God) command you to watch for the season so you will not be caught unawares like the foolish virgins with no oil for their lamps.

      • coracle says:

        High Queen SB, Perry Moore allegedly told a family member that he was getting funding for MN, but as he had not been working on the movies for a few years this seems to have be an unfounded rumour.

      • Dylan says:

        I agree, I think God could really care less about a movie series.

      • Emilyn Writer says:

        There is a verse in the Bible somewhere that says that what is important to us is important to God. Even if Narnia movies are made by secular people, the message will still be allegorical if they stay somewhat to the books. Even some secular movies have allegory in them. The message is important because Narnia movies have a big influence in our lives, for everyone who sees them. I mean, even a Narnia movie can bring someone to Christ.
        Right now, part of me wants MN and the rest of the movies with same cast. Another part of me says that a reboot would be a breath of fresh air. I say its time for Narnia movies to hibernate a little because so many other good movies are coming out presently and Narnia's got three movies now; a trilogy just like Lord of the Rings. You know, Toy Story 3 was made many many years after Toy Story 2. So there's hope.

      • Dylan says:

        Yah, but Toy story is animated, Narnia is not, and an actors appeaence can change over a period of time. Thast what im worried about with Poulter.

      • truthknight says:

        Emilyn Writer,

        The "there is a verse somewhere in the Bible" statement is a poor argument in favor of any point. It's important to clearly cite scripture as it can be easily misinterpreted to mean just about anything. What is important to God is our salvation, not any movie, no matter how powerful. (Don't get me wrong, I've read the series about six or seven times and have loved all things Narnia since a young age). The fact is, there are so many more important things going on in the world and the universe than the production of a movie series. The thing about movies bringing people to Christ is that it will based on emotions from the visual and audible stimuli, rather than from clear, calm conviction. The better option would be for us to be Narnians ourselves and bring others to Christ.

      • Hiking Peter says:

        Sorry, I didn't mean to create an argument.

      • Dylan says:

        No, its not your fault for creating the argument, we did that for you.

      • always narnian says:

        Hey Guys!
        I love Narnia as much as the next guy and probably even more, but I highly doubt we'll mind if Christ does come back before the films are done…We'll be with CHRIST then…I don't think we will care at all about Narnia.
        Another thing, Dylan, you said you didn't think we needed to focus on Christ's return or worry about it, but the Bible says in 2 Peter 3:10-14, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless." Looking to Christ's return should cause us to live holy lives, and we should really be looking for His coming.

      • 220CT says:

        You say God doesn't care about Narnia. Wrong!

        1. God doesn't divide sacred and secular. Read my blog post "Louie Giglio: Finding Your Purpose." I mentioned Narnia and Sherwood Pictures.

        "The church today puts high value on church planters to unreached people groups. Others may like the fine arts. Where do they fit in God's kingdom? Some think nowhere. It's as though people believe there will be lines in heaven based on their vocations. Church planters will be at the front, Christian musicians next โ€ฆ and those who like Nascar racing at the back.

        We have to blow this up! In Colossians 3:17, God says do whatever you love and be the best at it. Steve Jobs was wired in a unique way to do his job, even if he missed heaven in the process. The point is who's in your heart as you're doing your job, not the job you do. It's about motives."

        2. God cares about every aspect of our lives. He's in the movie theater and dentist office just like he's in the church – all the time! God cares about every detail of Queen Elizabeth II's life, just like he cares about the lives of her chauffeurs. If you think God doesn't care about Narnia or movies in general, your God is too small – and I don't want to know him.

        3. Sherwood Pictures (Courageous, Fireproof, Facing the Giants) prays before producing and premiering each film. They're having so much success that Hollywood has noticed and decided their financial success is due to "all that praying." Gresham, a Christian and the executive producer of the Narnia films, said in the Middle Earth Network that Narnia is in God's hands. So don't tell Sherwood or Gresham that God doesn't care about movies!

      • Dylan says:

        Ok, to say that Narnia and Fireproof etc are on the same level of concern is probably a little bit much. I understand God does have concern for every little aspect of our lives is true, but I just don't see Him caring THAT much for a Narnia movie. Now please don't tell me my God is too small and on and on and on, because thats not the way I see Him. He has done so much in providing for me and my family, so please don't tell me my God is to small.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        CS Lewis said he felt narnia was divinely inspired, and it is responsble for many conversions. the films led me, and many others, to find out about cs lewis,and his christian apologist work. God is totally at work through cs lewis in bringing people to Him.

      • Dylan says:

        Thats what made me a little dissapointed about the way they made the movies a little bit more secular. The books are very clearly Christian and to take away that element in the movies is like killing the purpose of the books. In the PC movie it almost seemed like Aslan was never present and every Christian aspect of the film was very watered down.

      • Anhun says:

        I disagree that the Narnia books are blatantly Christian. The LWW cartoon was one of my favorite movies as a little kid. The Narnia part was very faithful to the book, but I didn't pick up on the Christian metaphor at all. Basically, if you want to analyze and appreciate the Chronicles on that level, you can, but there are only a few parts that really hit you over the head with it.

      • Dylan says:

        Right, but if you are not a Christian, and you have at least heard who Jesus was and what He did, then its hard to not draw comparisons. There are way to many Christian elements in the books for say, an athiest, to really appreciate. Especially LWW. But I see your point and it makes sense what your getting at.

      • Dylan says:

        Excuse me, I meant for an athiest to enjoy the books.

      • always narnian says:

        O wow! No, the Narnia books have LOTS of allegory all over the place. It's so easy to see the Christian aspects to me…They pretty much all "hit me over the head" and I usually notice something different each time.
        C.S. Lewis put them there on purpose. But like Dylan said, only if you are a Saved Christian can you probably see some aspects of it.

      • Dylan says:

        The Cronicles themselves, like the seperate books, only had little allegorial aspects, but to say that LWW was not blatantly Christian is a little much.

    • Non-negotiable Comment says:

      The books are not allegorical. The Chronicles are one long hypothetical.

      • always narnian says:

        Well, technically, C.S. Lewis called them "supposals".

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        Well, "technically", a supposal IS a type of hypothesis. The point being that neither of those terms mean the same thing as allegory. To think of the stories in an allegorical fashion does them a disservice, and misses the point.

      • Dylan says:

        C S Lewis himself said that The Chronicles were not an allegory. So, as you already said, to read them that way is wrong. But, as far as the name for that style of writing goe, does it really matter???

      • always narnian says:

        Okay, would you mind sorta summing up what the difference is then? I mean between allegory and supposals? And hypothesis is what in that sense?

      • always narnian says:

        Whhoooops! *Feels really dumb* I mean hypothetical? Sorry!

      • Dylan says:

        Quite literally, it means something that is supposed;conjecture or notion.An allegory is a story or poem etc that can be interpretted to have a hidden meaning, usually moral or political. The chronicles of Narnia is not allegorial, it is probably leaning towards supposal. I would say Narnia is more symbolism then allegory, and Lewis himself said that the books are as if Jesus himself existed in a diffrent world. Aslan would therefore be representing Jesus you might say, but the way Lewis intentded it is as if Aslan actually existed ion an alterante dimension by the name of Narnia.

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        Just a preface. The following is not my insistence that anyone MUST see The Chronicles my way, or that it's not possible to experience, or enjoy, them without acknowledging the Christian elements contained in them. I don't mean to tell anyone how to think or feel. This is merely my personal interpretation of allegory vs. hypothetical, as seen through these works.

        Dylan has it, basically, correct. Although, I don't think of it as "symbolism", either. Lewis was saying, IF there were other worlds that God had created with living, sentient creatures bestowed with the power of free will, then WHAT would those worlds be like? The assumptive components of his hypothesis (which then makes it a supposal), based on the model of our known history, are as follows:

        God would create a perfect, beautiful universe
        Man would conspire with evil to introduce sin into it, corrupting it forever
        Evil would, eventually, enslave the world
        The Son of God would come to save it
        He would be betrayed by one close to Him
        He would offer Himself as a sacrifice for that world's sins
        He would rise again
        Evil would make one last "push" to corrupt the world via the Anti-Christ's false hope
        There would be a final, apocalyptic, battle between good and evil
        Those faithful to God would be called "home"

        Of course, there are many differences between our world and Narnia. Too many to list here, in fact. But, the basic model, the order of operations, is, essentially, what MUST happen. Every time. That's the supposal "component" of the hypothesis. The detailsโ€”the events specific to Narnia's historyโ€”are the hypothesis itself. An hypothesis begins with "I don't know, but, PERHAPS". A supposal is an hypothesis that begins with "I know THIS, so perhaps…". You can, I suppose, think of it like a baseball game. Yes, I'm going to use a simile to explain why allegory isn't hypothetical. Every game played uses exactly the same rules. But, each ballpark is slightly different, in terms of aesthetics and physical dimensions. The atmospheric conditions, including temperature, humidity, and altitude, can all vary greatly. Plus, every team has different players. Every game contains the same, basic elements, but there are, literally, an infinite number of ways for each game to unfold, under those basic constraints.

        The bottom line is, the Chronicles are not allegorical, because Aslan does not "represent" Jesus in a "story". Aslan IS Jesus in THAT world. Aslan is the form that the Son of God might choose to take were a world such as Narnia ever to exist. That's what, to me, makes The Chronicles so much more special than any mere work of fantasy. Those billions of stars in the sky were put there by God for a reason. I cannot say that He hasn't made other worlds that are similar to, but different than, ours. But, wherever His children are, God will send His Son to save them. Always. It's an amazing premise that not only comforts, but inspires. It lessens the imposing, vastness of the universe, by reminding us that God is everywhere, watching over everything. There are so many things we don't know or understand about the universe. The Chronicles, to me, by offering this possible view of the heavens, is just reinforcing one of the most sacred and beautiful sentiments of the Bible. No matter how overwhelmed or scared we get in life, "Be still, and know that I am God."

        And that's why I could never think of The Chronicles as allegorical in nature.

      • Dylan says:

        Exactly! Its like he is Jesus in that world. But when I meant symbolism, I meant that there are little elements that are symbolic of things in the scripture and stuff like that.

      • always narnian says:

        Yeah, that sounds more like Narnia. I don't have my terms straight. Glad there is a technical person here! I usually am, too! ๐Ÿ™‚
        I'd call them Supposals

      • Dylan says:

        Supposels or hypothetical, it all means one thing, that it could have happened, say an alternate dimension existed.

  8. Low Queen B. says:

    Wow. Well, now we know. Now we know Will Poulter will be too old for SC. Sad day. Well, who would like to pop over to my house for a fresh apple pie to console us?

  9. High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    hate to say it, but walden was right , MN for business reasons needed to come first, gresham should bow to their moviemaking expertise, not put his personal fave first. why did perry stone have to die NOW????

  10. High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    this is crazy, a series this beloved and famous is stalling like this!!!! 4 years?/ are you kidding me????????????? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  11. High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    lucy will be forty before they are done..ok i exaggerated

    • Dylan says:

      I really dont know, if we look at it like this, every movie is taking least 3 years in between a movie and its sequel, so if we have 4 yrs left for SC/MN, 3 more for SC/HHB, then another 3 for probably HHB, then 3 for LB, which I think is what will be done as the last, and that is 13 yrs for those movies, and then add on 6 more for the last movies, and you have a 7 book series done in a span of NINETEEN YEARS!!!! This should have been done 7 like HP!!! So Lucy will be in her late 30s by the end of this series!!! YIKES!!

  12. wolfloversk says:

    3-4 years is a lot less that the 12 years I have and still have to wait for JP4… it's not so bad, and at least now we have answers!

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      what is JP4?

      • Bother Eustace says:

        Jurassic Park 4. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        4 to 5 years (if that's really how long it will be, could be more) is quite a long time, true. But like Wolf said, other movies have taken longer – I've been waiting for the Hobbit for seven years!

        It should be pointed out that there's no confirmation that a movie will even be made in 4 to 5 years, this is just Douglas Gresham's hope. It's nice to know he's still pushing for these films, but honestly, I already knew that. I don't think he'd ever give up. We just have to wait and see.

      • Bother Eustace says:

        ^ Correction: LOL, um, 3-4 years*… not sure why I said 4-5. That's my pessimistic Marshwiggle side acting up. =P

  13. Louloudi the Centaur says:

    See? Let's not ever give up hope that we won't see anymore Narnia films. ๐Ÿ™‚

    3-4 years isn't that bad of a wait for production to begin again. It's better than 20 years at least. I think this would be an excellent time to re-read the books and take note of things that we would like to see different than what Walden has given us for the first three movies. I certainly have my things already. Let's pretend that this is 2001, and Walden had just gotten the rights to the Narnia series. This can be a time for a newer generation to the books to find their thoughts on what they think should happen. (I'm a newer fan to the books.)

    I think the series, with Walden, had the potential to be something beyond ordinary, kind of like the next LotR or something, but different and epic in its own sense. Walden to me was playing it too safe at times. Maybe now we can find a company that will take the books and make them into something so special, it will be a truly remembered film series.

    Narnia is very special in my heart. When I read the books, while learning to know Aslan a little there, I got to know Him better here. I bet many fans feel the same way.

    It really broke my heart back in December when NarniaWeb had many with broken hearts after seeing VDT. I'm a younger commenter on here than some, and newer to the books than most, so maybe I wasn't as affected by the "bad" things as some other fans, but I was on the old NW later reading some of the LWW reviews, and wow… You can't please everybody, and no Narnia film will ever do that, but seeing a person who gave a very positive review of LWW and giving the complete opposite to VDT really made me want to have somebody with heart and love for the books do something.

    I am going to be as Lucy in Prince Caspian. Hope for Narnia had seemed to die, but Lucy persisted on in spite of her siblings' denial of Aslan, and hope came. Hope for Walden making more films has seemingly died, but hope will come. Keep Narnia in your prayers!

    *waits for recording of interview to come to listen again*

  14. Telmarine says:

    Well considering that I had given the series up for lost, this is excellent. We still might be able to continue with the same cast! The 4+ year wait will be terrible but it better than 15-20 years.

  15. Fireflower says:

    I agree with Mr. Gresham! Narnia is in God's hands! (which is the best place it could possible be!!) We can wait however long He wants us to.

  16. Jayde630 says:

    The actors that play the Pevensies won't get to do "Last Battle"! Aaaaaahhhhh! I was hoping against hope that they could at least do some filming of that, but alas, it looks like just wishful thinking. <sigh>

    • Non-negotiable Comment says:

      Walden would have 'Dawn Treaderized' 'The Last Battle' into a kiddie-friendly, bloodless, after-school special, complete with a nauseating Carrie Underwood song at the end, and plush Puzzle dolls on sale in the theatre lobby. If anything good is to come from their apparent exit from these films, it is, most certainly, that we are going to be spared that, at least.

      • Fireflower says:

        Carrie Underwood's "There's a Place for Us" IS NOT NAUSEATING!!!!! Dawn Treaderized?? I also wouldn't mind having a plush Puzzle! I thought that Walden has done an AWESOME JOB with the Narnia franchise!

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        Well, you certainly opened my eyes with those five exclamation points. I am seriously rethinking my positions now…

      • Dylan says:

        Let me guess, they would the cheesy twinkling noices during the whole movie too! And then they would probably give the white witch a meaningless cameo AGAIN…..

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        hey! i was looking forward to my plush Puzzle!!

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        Clearly, I missed my calling as an unscrupulous marketer of butchered literary adaptations. In addition to the plush Puzzle, I would set up a toll number for people to spend 50 cents a call/text to vote Susan into Heaven. 3D/IMAX Heaven, of course.

      • Fireflower says:

        You know, there are a LOT of people out there who love the Walden/Disney/FOX Narnia movie adaptions and would LOVE to see even more movies in the future!

      • Albert A. Scrubb says:

        I agree with Fireflower all the way! "There's a Place for Us" is a great song. People who post negative comments are always the sort that become a hideous burden to fans of Narnia (and anything that has to do with it) like me, so, please keep the posts positive!

      • Fireflower says:

        LOL, Albert A. Scrubb! (PS: I like your name!!)

      • Albert A. Scrubb says:

        Thanks for the support, Fireflower! It's always good to know someone agrees.

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        Fireflower and Scrubb, you might want to read more than one of my posts, before you assume that I don't want any more films, or that I haven't had any good things to say about what Walden did with the films. Or not. Whatever. I am a fan, not a cheerleader, and if you're expecting everyone to share your apparently unconditional and universal love for these films, you are doomed to a series of frowny faces. This is a place to express opinions. Even ones you don't like. It's a bummer, but that's life. Embrace diversity, it's a good thing.

      • Dylan says:

        Embrace it and deal with it. Opinion is opinion and everyone has their own. If you loved the movies, good for you! If you just positivly hate the movies, I am very sorry!

      • Fireflower says:

        Non-negotiable Comment, I am sorry if I came off as saying that ALL of your posts were negative! Don't get me wrong, but I was just expressing my opinion like you said. I know that I will run into diversity wherever I go. It is a good life lesson to hear other people's opinions! No matter what they come up with or what other people say, I will always love the Narnia movies that exist! I do not believe that I am doomed to a frowny face, but a happy one.

      • Albert A. Scrubb says:

        My apologies, Non-negotiable Comment. I understand my comment has most likely offended some people and I am sorry. I am not trying to be critical, if that's how I came across as being. I am just expressing my opinion, as you said. Diversity is something I can never run away from, and I have accepted that.

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        There's no need to apologize, but I appreciate the sentiment. I wasn't offended, just a little frustrated that I find myself constantly having to explain that I'm really not a negative person, merely because I offer fairly strong criticisms of many aspects of the films. Nor do I seek to diminish anyone else's enjoyment of the movies. I admire your positive energy, and, so long as we remember that we're all here, ultimately, because we love Narnia, we should never have any problems getting along. I do appreciate what Walden have done for us. Even though I found 'Dawn Treader' to be heartbreakingly terrible, I will be eternally grateful for the utter joy I felt watching 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe' come alive on the big screen. If this is all we'll ever get, I'll take the good with the (very) bad, and count my blessings. They made some terrible mistakes, but they, unquestionably, came through wonderfully in many ways, as well. My criticism is frustration, not resentment, in any way. I'm frustrated, as a fan, I'm frustrated FOR for Walden, as a company, but, mostly, I'm frustrated because I just don't think that these books will ever be represented with the care and respect that they deserve. And THAT is a crime.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        i wish the BBC had kept making more movies, even though they were primitive, at least they stuck to the books.

      • Dylan says:

        I know! I would have at least wanted to see a Last Battle movie. But hey, at least it would be close to the book.

      • Anhun says:

        I thought that BBC's LWW was a shoddy job, and not just on the special effects. What they did to VDT was a crime.

      • Dylan says:

        Yes, but for the time that was alright. Not as good as they could have done it, but for late 70s early 80s television that was what they had. SC was actually pretty good for what they had at the time.

      • Anhun says:

        First of all, BBC's Narnia came out in the late '80s. Second of all, there is no excuse for turning such a powerful book into such a pointless, soulless film.

    • Brian in Calgary says:

      Some say that the actors who played the Pevensies would be too old to play them in The Last Battle. I respectfully disagree. It takes place (Spare Oom time) about ten years after their first trip to Narnia, which means they're supposed to be adults. But, as Doug Greshem says, the balance of the movie series is in Godโ€™s hands, and there's no better place for it to be.

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        I would say the odds of that film ever being made (in any recognizable form) are far worse than the odds of the original actors assuming those roles, were it to be made. Jayde630 has somewhat of a point, though. While it isn't impossible, time is certainly becoming a factor. William Moseley is already twenty-four. Assuming that:

        1) 'The Last Battle' is made (HUGE, HUGE assumption)
        2) All four remaining books are adapted, at an average of three years between (I know the average thus far has been 2.5 years, but, since there is this raging paranoia about summer releases, and two years is not enough time to make these films, properly, logic suggests that we will see the films, should they ever be made, released every third Christmas)
        3) They start filming the next one in exactly three years from today…

        …then Moseley would be thirty-six, Anna Popplewell would be almost thirty-five, Skander Keynes would be thirty-two, and Georgie Henley would be twenty-eight when filming of 'The Last Battle' would commence. Certainly *passable* for the required ages, at this point, but, if we're still waiting for the fourth film five years from now, it would be really stretching it. Anything is possible, though. Of course, they could adapt fewer of the books, shortening the overall number of years, but I can't really see them adapting 'The Last Battle', and NOT the other ones.

  17. King_Cor_the_Great says:

    at least they arent ending the series. i think we should be grateful for that. plus, this will give more time for the ppl to thoroughly think about the story lines and character archs.

  18. I don't mind the wait.

    There is one thing though… I don't think we'll be seeing Will Poulter as Eustace anymore. ๐Ÿ™

  19. Movie Aristotle says:

    He hopes that in 3 or 4 years they can start production. Does he mean that he hopes they can start developing a pitch to movie studios in hopes of a green-light in 3 or 4 years, or that he hopes to be green-lit, past pre-production, and into filming in 3 or 4 years?

  20. Avra says:

    All of you who left a comment in the past about "Experiment House" being "Experiment College" where right I guess IF Will Poulter is to play Eustace…sighs sadly…make that VERY sadly.Of the things in VDT I loved, his performance was the very best…If you're reading this Will know that in that film you ARE Eustace…and thanks( I laughed so hard!)

  21. Caspian says:

    Well. The only optimistic thing I can add to this is "At least our kids will get to enjoy them in theaters". I mean, c'mon! It's been 6 years since LWW. Does it seem to anyone else like this is turning into a Star Wars-esque franchise?

    MN would be a good place to start if they make them over again. And HHB would WIN. It just would.

    Poor NarniaWeb. Keep fighting the good fight, until those blasted three/four years are up, and we can hope for Narnia to come to the big screen again.

    May the Lion be with you all.

  22. always narnian says:

    That's a terrible long time!

  23. Starlily says:

    I will miss Will Poulter. ๐Ÿ™ I'd have loved to have seen him in the Silver Chair. What a pity.

    But at least Douglas Gresham is still on board for more films. That's something.

  24. Arvan says:

    Time for a podcast?

  25. Not Of This World says:

    I missed it. The podcast will have the part with Paul Martin in it, right?

  26. Erk says:

    "All of them" is a code word for a series reboot. I'll bet Gresham wants a future contract that will give him and the estate greater control over the process to keep it from straying so far from the original books. With the way it was going, it was safer to let the contract die than the keep going and completely butcher the rest of the stories.

    • glumPuddle says:

      Nah, I think you're reading into that way to much. The question was "Of the remaining books, which one are you most excited to see on screen?" Gresham replied "All of them." Meaning: "All of the remaining books."

  27. Prince Norin says:

    3-4 Years?!? Sadness, much sadness. Was renewing the contract now an option in this whole thing?

    • Prince Norin says:

      I guess a reboot is better than nothing, though. It's just that LWW was SOOO good I wasn't ready to give up on the series yet. And the actors were PERFECT for their parts. Even if the movie plots strayed some (which they did), I always felt that the characters were true to the text. It will be hard to think of other people playing the parts.

  28. Moonwood says:

    The 'style ' of this franchise was becoming more important than the feel of the original books.
    Hopefully with a fresh start, they could treat these stories with as much respect as others did with the H.P. series. Producers need to understand that the stories must appeal to adults, as well as children because of the cleverness. This is Lewis' success. Clever children did not feel their intelligence insulted, and adults did not find it lame. Remember, lewis said -a children's tale that only children like, is a badly written children's tale.- They need script writers that respect C S Lewis' style much closer than they have up to now. I blame D. Gresham entirely for failure in this,. He is the 'watchdog' he is responsible ( especially now ) to find a GOOD script writer. The scene in the VDT movie on the Lone Islands was disgraceful. this is why I only watched the movie twice, even if there are some great scenes ( between Eustace and Reep.) that scene is lame, clichรฉ, and predictable. It is like elevator music. It's like, some generic 'no name' bargain script. FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL STORIES CLOSER, IT'S WHAT EVERYONE WANTS !!!

    • Non-negotiable Comment says:

      Moonwood, I know what you mean about style over substance being an increasingly objectionable issue with the films, and I am in total agreement with you regarding the necessity of the films to appeal to adults. Absolutely. But, I think you have to throw the Harry Potter comparisons out the window. There are two things that that franchise has that Narnia does not:

      1) A living author who is very concerned about quality control

      2) Relevance. I believe that the producers of the Potter franchise are much more conscious of (and responsible to) the opinions of that particular fanbase, simply because it's so large, so identifiable (demographically), and so much more vocal (visibly active) than Narnia's fanbase. Those films are an extension of a contemporary cultural phenomenon, still very much in the collective consciousness of the public. There is a lot more pressure to make those films FAN-friendly, simply because, well… they have so many fans. With The Chronicles, I believe these books are considered more "classic" literature, with an infinitely more "niche" market. So, instead of being FAN-friendly, the producers are desperately concerned about being AUDIENCE-friendly. With "Potter' those two terms are pretty much interchangeable. With Narnia, they aren't, at all. That's not to say that it's impossible to make a Narnia film that both the general public and fans will find appealing and worthwhile. Clearly, they achieved this with the first film. My point is, it's so much harder to find that balance with the Narnia franchise than it is with "Potter". At least with the six books NOT called "The Lion, the Witch and The Wardrobe". Clearly, Walden were not up to that challenge, for a variety of reasons.

      It's just becoming more and more apparent to me, how HARD the Narnia films have been, and will be, to make. Unless some team of super-committed, passionate, visionary filmmakers, with some track record of success, who understand, respect, and love the material is assembled, I don't see how any studio is going to trust the source material enough to represent the remaining books in an even remotely satisfying manner. I love the books, I believe in the books. I just don't have any faith that anyone will ever be allowed to adapt them in a respectful, authentic manner.

      Mr. Gresham, ultimately, is a non-factor in how good or bad these films are. I believe he gets too much credit for what success the franchise has had, but, conversely, I don't think he's personally responsible for the current, dire, state of things. He's a spokesman and a consultant. He has some influence, in the sense that he is in a position for his opinions to be heard. But no one is obligated to act upon them. He has no control, at all, over the films, other than to enforce the general guidelines laid down by his employers, the C.S. Lewis Estate, in the terms of use of the material. In the mainstream film industry, you either receive a lot of money, or a lot of control. It's extremely rare to be in a position to exercise both. It's pretty obvious, at this point, which of those the Estate has. And that's not a condemnation, or a judgement. It's just the way things work. Once that cheque clears, they have to live with the consequences. Unfortunately, so do we.

      • Moonwood says:

        Nonny, I quite agree. Interesting point about the author being alive, having an impact on the quality of the story line.
        It's true the first one was much better, But Walt Disney has the reputation of taking classic stories, and making them their own, by changing them heavily ( Pinnochio, Snow White, The Jungle Book, Aladdin…..) and we all know hat D.G. sold the franchise to the only company that S C Lewis said he specifically would not want to get involved. Anyway, I think it is almost inevitable that within the next 20 years, there will be a re-boot, that will have less of a 'Lego-Land' feel to it, and will be awesome. In the meanwhile, we can hope that the rest of the movies ( I think they will be done within a few years ) will not be cheepo.

      • Dylan says:

        Moonwood, you said that DG gets the blame for not finding good script writers, I dont see it that way, like Non said DG is a non factor in this series. He doesnt deserve blame for what a script writer wrote, because he didnt write it himself.

      • Hiking Peter says:


      • Dylan says:

        "Nonny" lol? That sounds like a nickname for a grandma or something lol.

  29. Narnia #1 Fan says:

    I guess it's nice to know that there WILL be something coming in the future… we will just have to wait a while.. we can pass the time by watching the other movies, i guess. (;

  30. Queen C The Gentle says:

    They're going to have to do MN+SC now

  31. Liberty Hoffman says:

    I am glad that we know something now ๐Ÿ™‚ waiting will be a tiny tiny bit easier now that we have an estimate ๐Ÿ™‚
    I think when they start again, they should do either SC, HHB, or MN ๐Ÿ™‚

  32. Sad Narnia says:

    Well i don't really see any other option other than making a reboot. All of the actors will be too old to play in SC & TLB if they continue to revisit the series, especially if they decide to do The Magician's Nephew first. I really liked the actors in all the Narnia movies and to see it go through hardships like this really does put a strain on my heart. I hope though that companies will decide to invest in the Narnia series when it is up for purchase again. I would hate to see the actors go. especially Eustace Scrubb's actor who i thought portrayed him very well. But who knows. Maybe starting with a reboot of all characters in the Narnia series with the MN would be a good thing. I just pray that its done right and for the sucess of the movies to follow. Who knows, maybe by the time the next one comes out i'll be a parent taking my child out to see Narnia just like my parents did with me ๐Ÿ™‚

  33. Aslan's BFF says:

    I've got to say, this might not be such a bad idea for Narnia films to slow down a bit. I mean, maybe computers will get even better and we can have awesome effects. Maybe by then we'll all have gray beards, I know, but what's the rush?

    Maybe I'm wrong. Enlighten me if you wish, all you who are dying because of this slow down of Narnia 4's making.

  34. Browncoat1984 says:

    While I'm saddened that it'll be that long, I gotta say I have been less than pleased with these movies as a fan of the books. While the cast has been great, its not like these are the first actors in these roles, and it wouldn't be the first time that characters have been recast (anybody whose a fan of Stargate would know this) so I'm sure they could find actors just as good then.

    If and when they restart IMO they should start doing it chronologically – started with magician's Nephew and then LWW and then Horse and His Boy. I would LOVE to see movies get done other than the first four because they've never been done before.

    I think this is a good thing because it would A) Allow them to concoct a proper strategy and B) allow them to craft movies that are closer to the books and more true to the spirit and intention of C.S. Lewis when he wrote the books. The problem with Narnia vs. Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, other than not having a consistent cast is that they have not had a solid plan on how to make these movies. They should have said something like "okay, we're going to do X then X then X and have maybe 2 years in between each and if we need to we'll shoot scenes for X during X before the actors age" This series could EASILY be the next Harry Potter or Twilight if it had been managed as a film series properly. It needs a consistent director rather than different ones (something that I didn't like about the Harry Potter series) who understands the source material the same way Peter Jackson understands Lord of the Rings and Tolkien. Changes to the movies are OKAY as long as you stick to the spirit of the original series, something I feel the movie series has often faltered at especially in the case of Prince Caspian.

    • Dylan says:

      Right. As soon as I had seen LWW and enjoyed it so much, I expected the series to be like that. I expected that Gregson-Williams would be doing the score for the next movies, that Disney would stay with the project, and that Adamson would be directing. So in a sense, it could be evaluated that this series is a failure SO FAR. I think they have a chance to redeem themselves,and continue the series with a clean slate, and I think that they can accomplish that by doing MN as the next movie. I just hope that Adamson will direct it. But we will see in four years….

    • Anhun says:

      No major characters were recast in Stargate. When they let Michael Shanks go, they replaced the character of Daniel Jackson with another character altogether, rather than just replacing the actor who played him (and it was a disaster).

      They did the same thing with O'Neill.

      • What I believe Browncoat1984 was referring to with Stargate:

        The old 1994 movie, pre-series, had different Jack and Daniel actors (Kurt Russell and James Spader, I believe), who were replaced by Richard Dean Anderson (of MacGyver fame) and Michael Shanks very successfully.

        Also, much later in the series, the character of Elizabeth Weir had an actor swap between her first two episodes at the end of a season and her stay on Atlantis. (Names escape me there. :P)

        And hey, I liked Jonas! He wasn't Daniel, but he was cool anyway. XD

      • Anhun says:

        Jonas was an insipid pretty boy. Daniel was exciting, imaginative, quirky, you never knew what he was going to say next, and he looked cute in glasses . . . erm . . . sorry, I'm a bit of a Daniel Jackson fan.

      • Anhun says:

        Rebooting a film series is a completely different proposition from translating a film to a television series, though.

  35. TumnusTheBrave says:

    Does this mean new actors ?

  36. Mangolite says:

    If the Spiderman franchise already has a reboot, why not the Narnian Series and takes the Harry Potter rule of series film making to new heights. Great script that remained pretty faithful to its source with high production values and add-on a superb casts, maybe, this time around, all the series will be produced timely and gained attraction.

    • Non-negotiable Comment says:

      Spider-Man is an INFINITELY more popular and bankable property than 'Narnia'. "Rebooting" is what comic books do CONSTANTLY, so it's far, far easier to accept that same premise when you translate that kind of property to the big screen. It's part of their creative DNA, and how they constantly stay relevant to new audiences and new generations. Rebooting a relatively obscure literary franchise after such a short period of time would be absolutely CATASTROPHIC for anyone willing to invest good money in such a harebrained scheme. Narniamania was brief, and it's dead. The ONE book that the general public was familiar with has been adapted, adapted well, and they have moved on. I seriously cannot believe how many of you think this is somehow a feasible option. It's a MIRACLE that we got these three films at all. I'm not saying they were all miraculously good, but their mere EXISTENCE is miraculous. You are NOT going to see them remade anytime soon. I mean, if that's what you want, then don't give up the fight. I just don't see even the slightest bit of logic in the premise. ONE of these films has turned a profit, one was a financial black hole, and one had its pic-a-nic lunch stolen by Yogi Bear. Yogi Bear! Who wants to sign that first reboot cheque? Anyone?

      • Dylan says:

        Hmmm. let me think, Narnia is supposed to be made into a series, but with Spidey, you could do just one movie. Plus I think a Narnia trilogy would cost more then a Spidey trilogy because more CGI. Spidey also would prob have a better box office sale, therefore the series would be successful, so far, its way too risky too rebbot Narnia because of how bad the box office has been for Narnia.

    • Anhun says:

      It's worth mentioning that we don't know how successful the Spiderman reboot will be yet. If it follows the Hulk trend, then it should do really well, but who knows?

      • Dylan says:

        Right, but the only differene is that the old spidey movies were acually pretty good, but the old ang lee Hulk SUCKED.

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        I liked the Ang Lee 'Hulk' better, but I'm probably in the minority. As for the Spidey reboot, I'm not convinced it's going to do the same range of numbers as Raimi's films, but it's possible. I think it's a somewhat RISKY prospect, just not INSANE, as it would be for Narnia.

        Domestic Gross / Cost of the three Spider-Man films:
        $1.11 Billion / $597 million

        Domestic Gross / Cost of the three Narnia films:
        $538 million / $560 million

        Narnia is NOT Spider-Man. Reboot = Disaster

      • Dylan says:

        I know, Spidey costs tons less then Narnia. The only reason I didnt like the Ang lee hulk was the weird transitioning between scenes…. yah that was weird. And also Bruce Banners dad was creepy, and the whole movie overall was just strange, weird, aukward, and very dark. I thought the scene with the jacked up dogs was cool though.

  37. High Queene Shelly Belly says:

    a former story here said WALDEN pulled out-

    • Dylan says:

      Another former story here also said that Walden DID NOT pull out, and that they are still negotiating.

  38. (Will listen to the interview later – reacting to the comments right now)

    Filmmaker wannabe who hangs out with professionals here. ๐Ÿ™‚ Organised by points because I'm a prolific babbler. XD

    (1) A reboot is probably a good thing. If the estate is willing to give it another go.

    (2) Maybe we'll get the BBC interested. Real British. I wouldn't even mind a new tv series – if you look at their work on Merlin and Doctor Who, they can do quite a lot on a TV budget.

    (3) The biggest issues I see with the current releases are the frequent conflicts between the Estate/book-fans and the filmmakers (people who follow the money. Which is completely legitimate! We artists have to eat too!), the big-budget nature of the series, and the fact that Walden Media never has been really successful at the whole making money thing. They've always been a niche audience prodco, which is fine! Really enjoy some of their films like City of Ember. But they've never enjoyed the success of certain other book adaptations, and I suspect this is a marketing error combined with a desire to do it right and giving each film too much budget.

    (4) As brilliant as Georgie Henley and Will Poulter (and of course the rest of the cast!) were, if we get a reboot everyone will adjust. Remember the BBC mini-series from the 80's! Reboots are part of life with classics. How many versions of Sherlock Holmes are there? How many people have played the Doctor now? (Which is a different situation but the fan backlash is very similar.) Ya'll will get used to it. It's okay.

    (5) Narnia will never make it as a Christian film. The market simply isn't there. Don't think I'm bashing Christian filmmaking – the outside Hollywood/Sherwood movement is important to us Christian filmmakers – but the reality is that if you look at the numbers, the Christian market is small, a niche, and difficult to market. Big budget tentpole films like Narnia aren't going to work. LWW did it, but they marketed it very carefully and managed to bring in both the Christian audience and the wide audience. PC lost both audiences.

    (There are a number of reasons for this, all debated by people a lot wiser than I.)

    The fact remains, though, that the Christian market is not big enough to sustain any film with a budget of, oh, I'd say over 10mil. (debatable number, but it's definitely not going to be up with the budget needed to pull off Narnia)

    Fantasy/scifi films are either loved or hated in any market. Big-budget films are dangerous in any market. Combine the two… you've got either a blockbuster or a epic fail.

    (6) The Narnia fanbase is rather fickle, IMO. We want a big budget, we want it to be true to the books, we want it to be Christian, we want it to be popular, we want it to be honored and exalted, we don't want it merchandised, we don't want money to be made from it that doesn't go right back into a sequel, we want them all, we want non-cinematic storylines to be the same, and on and on. (I've not even kept up here very well since VDT came out so I don't know what the current wishlist is. :P)

    We need to get over this. We can't have everything at once.

    Filmmakers do not have the fanbase's wishlist at the top of their minds. They want to tell a good story that will make money.

    Trust them. They're human, they make mistakes, but they do generally know what they're doing. ๐Ÿ™‚ And the less pressure we put on them, the more likely they are to please. I think they've got the idea that we care by now. ๐Ÿ˜›

    • Anhun says:

      Re: 1) While I don't like the idea of a total reboot 3-5 years from now, nor do I think it's a smart idea commercially, I would absolutely love a reboot starting with VDT. The recent film wasn't very well attended. The box office gross dropped a lot less from PC than the attendance, owing to inflation and 3D prices. With a few years wait their won't be many people saying "Didn't we just see this?"

      Re: 2) The way I would do it if I was disgustingly wealthy and had any sort of film-making know how is create a half-season TV series based on VDT. Maybe Fox might be willing to air it? The story would start out told from Eustace's perspective. We would look through his eyes to see how silly Lucy and Edmund seem with their fairy tale nonsense. Then, when the moment comes when he realizes that Narnia is real, it's a shock and a thrill. Eustace in Narnia could be like Mary Lennox (from Secret Garden) in England, a somewhat dislikable protagonist who grows on us as his character develops, and ultimately becomes endearing.
      That's my little fantasy. I don't know how TV economics work, or if a decent-looking VDT is even possible on a TV budget. It's definitely more visually complicated than Dr.Who. Haven't seen Merlin.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        it would be cool to have a narnia tv show, and each year is a different book. at least it wouldn't be rushed.

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      you are thinking of small production christian projects. that's different than mainline productions like the narnia series or the passion of the christ. 2 differnnt balls of wax.

      • Anhun says:

        There are exceptions to the rule, of course, but indie films in general don't make a lot of money, no matter what ideology informs them.

  39. Oh yes, and the series isn't a failure based on whether or not each individual fan liked it. ๐Ÿ˜› To the filmmakers, it's generally about the numbers. Numbers are good.

    (Why do you think there are so many Transformers movies? 0.o)

    • Dylan says:

      There are only three. There are actually more Narnia movies then Transformers movies, and the Transformers movies have probably (probably I say, mostly because I dont care to look it up myself) made more money. So it really makes no sense to compare to radically different series with completely different fan bases and generes. I see what your getting at, but it was written in an odd way.

  40. DamselJillPole says:

    I hope that they reboot these films. I'm sorry guys, but this is honestly how I feel right now. PC and VDT just doomed this series. It needs a clean start over with a team of directors who will treat these series with respect.

  41. Matthias of Redwall says:

    How depressing! I'll be an old man by the time the Last Battle is released, as will William Moseley and Skandar Keynes.

  42. Narniaiceprincess22 says:

    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!? 3-4 YEARS!?!?!? THERE IS NO TIME! All the actors are growing up! HURRY UP! Idk about everyone else but Narnia wouldn't be the same without the same actors. When VDT came out I felt that the Narnia series changed a lot. I enjoyed the movie a lot but I felt really sad too when I watched it. I really felt that it was too short and the little parts of Susan and Peter was like a little reminder mocking me that they weren't there. I guess it's just the filming style of the different directors. I really liked the way Andrew A. put it together. Now Michael…he did a really good job but I just missed the other way… Anyway whoever the director is going to be I still want them to make the movies!

  43. Noogah says:

    3-4 years? I don't know how they'll be able to make "The Silver Chair", since Eustace will be too old. The other books (unless I'm missing one) don't include the current canon of characters, so I think we'll be fine waiting on those.

    • Anhun says:

      Honestly, VDT wasn't that well attended. When it comes to general audiences, I don't think recasting Eustace will be a major issue. The main problem with SC will be getting the tone right.

  44. Anhun says:

    I don't know . . . I have my doubts that companies other than Fox or Walden would be willing to take a gamble on Narnia. I don't pretend to have insider information, though.

  45. CitizenCairParavel says:

    I just want to know who messed all this up?

    • Non-negotiable Comment says:

      It wasn't an individual WHO, it was a collective WHAT. The "what", in this case, being human nature. Very predictable human nature that led, in a rough chronological order, to the following:

      1) 'Wardrobe' makes a fortune
      2) That success creates the illusion that 'Narnia' is a bankable BRAND
      3) The illusion fuels woefully unrealistic expectations for future films
      4) Walden and Disney engage in some shockingly reckless riverboat gambling, and go "all in" for "Prince Caspian"
      5) "Caspian" can't possibly recover its costs
      6) Walden and Disney bean-counters scratch heads, mystified
      7) Disney blames "declining trend of interest in franchise", and gets out of Dodge
      8) Myth of "Caspian" as a "failure" is born, despite it doing FANTASTIC business at the box office
      9) Producers and fans blame EVERY POSSIBLE ASPECT of "Prince Caspian" ("Marketing!" "Release Date!" "Too dark!") for the unexpectedly dire state of affairs, EXCEPT its criminally negligent financial management
      10) Franchise fades to near obscurity as Walden struggles to find new partner
      11) After narrowly escaping the jaws of death, and securing a distribution/marketing agreement with FOX, Walden are so happy to be off the ventilator… they forget to make a GOOD film. Opting, instead, to go for a LIKABLE film. Or, what they PERCEIVE to be a likable film, based on some consultant's report on what elements the audience liked in 'Wardrobe'
      12) 'Dawn Treader' fails to perform to even their now revised expectations. Walden President, most amusingly, blames CHRISTMAS RELEASE DATE(!) for woeful domestic performance
      13) More head-scratching

      The death of the films (at this point, anyway), is a classic example of the catastrophe of success. Walden and Disney misunderstood the distinct nature of each book, thought they were bulletproof, and their poor stewardship resulted in a slow erosion of confidence in the franchise. This was compounded by a very poor final film that nailed the coffin shut. It's a little bit of chaos theory, really. 'Wardrobe''s success was the butterfly flapping its wings, and now, here we are with a tornado on the Indonesian coast. Or something…

      Anyway, that's how I see things. Everyone can now return to telling me how a reboot will fix everything.

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        One of these days, I'll remember to type 8. or -8

      • nic says:

        Respectfully, i don't think budget was Caspian's problem. While not a perfect film, it is in many ways better than LW&W and was faithful to the book to boot – they just didn't understand the film made i think – as many narnians can't due to change in Peter's character which served wider theme of the story.
        Caspian was about a different type of evil that has overcome Narnia and needed to be marketed as such, not marketed as being about Caspian or big battles or petty squabbling.

        I don''t see how the next film could be anything other than Magician''s Nephew now, especially due to long delay if a new one gets made. The remaining stories are more stand alone than the previous ones now, and Magician's Nephew is THE ORIGIN story that can connect all the Narnian chronicles into a wider narrative that holds the interest for the wider audience in what Narnia is all about.

        Any thoughts?

      • nic says:

        I would have marketed Caspian about the Castle, Telmarines, the Narnians at the dancing lawn with Caspian, and Lucy's dream sequence with Aslan.
        Then the audience would have gone, oh, that's interesting!

      • Matt Wills says:

        All absolutely correct, N-nC. They have, in addtion, been drifting further from the plot and (more importantly) the feel of the books. VDT has some lovely *bits* but some awful, missed opportunities – such a pity. A reboot is likely (as you say) shortly before hell freezes over.

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        With equal respect, Nic, you are a CLASSIC example of point 9.

        How can you possibly NOT think the budget was a problem? Are you serious? 'Prince Caspian' is an EXTREMELY obscure children's book, not anywhere, REMOTELY, as well know, well liked, or cinematically adaptable as 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe'. Yet, they, STUPEFYINGLY, decided to INCREASE its budget by 25%! Throw out whatever you didn't like about 'Prince Caspian'. Marketing… whatever. It's completely IRRELEVANT, in light of the fact that the film performed VERY well, for what it was. It was NEVER going to do the same business as its predecessor. Impossible. So, to increase its budget by $45 million defies every possible avenue of logic.

        Again, this argument that "Oh, if they had only done (whatever), then 'Prince Caspian' would have done so much better…" is COMPLETELY missing the point. It already DID do very well. It simply COST TOO MUCH, and that mistake led to a chain reaction of failure for the franchise. It is a myth that 'Prince Caspian' failed to reach its audience. It is a FACT that is was financially reckless. Narnia is NOT one BRAND with a consistent appeal amongst the public. It is SEVEN different properties with vastly varying potential to work as products of the cinema. 'Caspian' was NEVER going to have the same appeal 'Wardrobe'. Heaven forbid, if there IS a reboot, at any time, and they make that same critical mistake again, failure, once more, is imminent.

      • Dylan says:

        I am absolutely fed up with Walden Media and their stupid excuses. I mean really, he blames it on a CHRISTMAS REALEASE DATE of all things! Look at LOTR, ALL of those movies, including were released just days before christmas, and those movies set box office records. I really cant think of a good explanation for VDT doing so bad, Im am seriously dissapointed as to how the movie turned out, but for the box office to fail too, what?

      • nic says:

        Hi Non-negotiable
        I don't think Caspian reached it's full potential for audience is why & i explained my POV to that.

        I dis-agree that LW&W business cannot be reached again for Narnia films too. With a top adaption, even if not perfect, a Narnia film can be huge in reaching people outside the usual blockbuster demographics that are the bread and butter of movie blockbuster seasons in getting people who don't normally go to the annual blockbuster films on the seats as well as those who do. I think all the Narnia stories are capable of that if they get all the elements in sync in presentation with each unique installment.

        Part of LW&W's success was for an audience who thought that was ok but maybe too kiddie for me & wouldn't see another one. There was an element of that in the adaption but part of it was also that particular story out of the chronicles – the return of innocence to Narnia being it's main theme. When the different stories are seen in this light, then they can appeal to all kinds of people who normally wouldn't invest in such & such a 'type' of movie.

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        nic, you've stated your position clearly and respectfully. We will not see eye-to-eye here. I know I am not going to change your mind, but I hope you rethink things at some point. All of the ranting and criticism I have spewed out here over the last year, all of the frustration I have expressed… it is almost EXCLUSIVELY due to PRECISELY the viewpoint you hold. This way of thinking has led to utter disaster for these films. "Narnia" is a NICHE, fringe franchise. "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe", assessed individually, is a classic, iconic chapter in the history of modern western literature. Its adaptation was a celebrated cultural event. That book, ALONE, has the widespread appeal outside of the fanbase to achieve the numbers it did. The others DO NOT. That's not opinion, it's fact. These films can make money WITHOUT having those ridiculous numbers. More precisely, these films MUST be budgeted appropriately BECAUSE none of them WILL see those numbers again. Honestly, if there's ONE thing I hope people listen to me in regard to, it's this. We can agree to disagree about how much we like the individual films, or which remaining ones should be adapted, or any of those other more subjective, relatively meaningless arguments. But, THIS attitude MUST be corrected amongst both the fanbase, and the producers of these films, or this franchise is dead, forever.

      • Dylan says:

        Yes, I agree, LWW was so successful because of the mass apeal of the book, and therefore it is the most popular in the series. But that does not mean that another Narnia movie can't be succesfull, it just means it won't ever amount to the fame and success of LWW. The only other book I can see that would possibly have a slight chance of reaching that limit might be The Last Battle or The Magicians Nephew, but to have the outlook on the series that every single movie can be just as successfull as LWW was is a little bit much.

      • utterReep says:

        N-nC, I think you're basically spot-on with your analysis. There is a mindset in Hollywood that if you have a successful blockbuster, you can generate a sequel that will make even more money by basically regurgitating the same themes, same characters, similar storyline, etc. Caspian is not, nor could be if you're sticking close to the story, anything like a traditional sequel, and it was clearly a mistake for Disney and Walden to think Caspian would perform like, say, Pirates of the Caribbean.

        One point that's been alluded to in this chain but not specifically addressed is that Prince Caspian is fairly consistently at the bottom of the series in terms of popularity. To pull off the adaptation they did and to generate as much box office as they did was truly remarkable. I will say, in hindsight, it's easy to say they should have stayed with the same budget as LWW or even reduced it for Caspian, but considering the overwhelming success of LWW, it was not unreasonable to think that Caspian could pull in at least 3/4 the domestic box office of Wardrobe, if not more. And frankly, I never expected it to do as well as LWW, but it should have done better.

        As you mentioned, Disney and Walden made the mistake of thinking that the LWW film created a built-in Narnia audience that would just come out in droves for Caspian. Of course, the die-hard Narnia fans came, but Disney and Walden let average filmgoers think they were seeing LWW2 instead of the unique story that Caspian is. It was never going to have the appeal of LWW, but if they had treated it as its own entity, tied to LWW yet unique, yes, it would have created more of a challenge for the marketers, but that's what they're paid for.

        There is also strong evidence to suggest that a big portion of LWW's success was the involvement of Paul Lauer and Motive Entertainment's work in marketing this film to Christians as a PG "Passion." And on the flip side, the faith-based marketing for Caspian was non-existent. So many Christians I talked to were unaware of Caspian's release. Fox and Walden did some faith outreach with VDT but nothing to the extent of LWW. I know that the Narnia films have enormous appeal to religious and non-religious alike, but considering the author and the series' religious themes, virtually ignoring the Christian audience in the Caspian marketing scheme was a BIG mistake.

      • Anhun says:

        "Considering the overwhelming success of LWW, it was not unreasonable . . ." Precisely. Sequels to beloved mega-hits generally perform in the same ball park as their predecessors, even when there's no basis in literature whatsoever. It's nonsense to say that the PC novel's obscurity is the only factor, or even the main factor, in the dramatic box office drop-off. Now, it's true that, if PC had been an extremely popular book in it's own right, the filmmakers wouldn't have to worry so much about how it was made or marketed, as long as it was entertaining and people knew when to show up.

        "Filmmakers let average film-goers think that they were seeing LWW2." I disagree. PC had a very different feel to it, and that came through in the marketing. While LWW was a delightful fantasy that a whole family could enjoy together, PC felt more like a teen-centric period piece. Some reviewers even warned people not to take children under 12. It was a dramatic shift in tone, and they advertised the shift, as though it was a selling point (Mark Johnson admitted that this was an attempt to bring teens and young adults into the Narnia fold). They did little to remind people why they had fallen in love with Narnia in the first place, which is what you need to do if you have a sequel based on obscure or non-existent source material. I don't see that it was a direct result of the differences between the two books. In book PC, Caspian, though older, feels much of the same child-like wonder and excitement about meeting the Old Narnians that Lucy feels when she first enters Narnia. It would be as though you or I had run away from home and found ourselves in Snow White's cottage. They completely down-played this in the movie. Now I still liked the movie, myself, but I can see how it failed to attract a lot of LWW's fans.

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        "One point thatโ€™s been alluded to in this chain but not specifically addressed is that Prince Caspian is fairly consistently at the bottom of the series in terms of popularity. To pull off the adaptation they did and to generate as much box office as they did was truly remarkable."

        utterReep, I don't say this often here:

        You GET it.

        I must have typed that paragraph, in various forms, several dozen times in the course of my days here. It's practically my Narniaweb doctoral thesis. I (obviously) agree with almost everything you've said here. You've, pretty much, covered the basis of my arguments concerning everything bad that's happened to this franchise post-2005. Obviously, it's just a theory, but, I like to think it's based on a certain amount of logic, and distanced observation. It's nice to, occasionally, hear from others who share similar concerns. I guess we really differ only in a couple of areas. I'm not convinced that 'Caspian' could have done any better than it did, no matter what they might have done differently, marketing-wise. Of course, we'll never know now, and hindsight is 20-20, but, my point has always been that marketing is speculative, but cost-control is concrete and tangible. When you're dealing with something as "iffy" as 'Caspian' was, you have to remove as much risk as possible. Basically, control everything that's in your power, to avoid exposure to possibly dire consequences. Long before it was released, when it was confirmed how much money they had thrown into 'Caspian', I literally felt sick. I didn't think things would end this badly, or this quickly, but I knew that it was an horrific path that they had chosen. I was a LITTLE shocked how quickly Disney parachuted out, but, in retrospect… that's what The Mouse does. Disney doesn't need to sweat very hard to make gazillions of dollars, and, once they realized what a risk 'Narnia' really is, that they DIDN'T have seven 'Wardrobes' at their disposal, the decision was infinitely simple.

        I know many people love 'Prince Caspian', the book, and I do, too, of course. For what it is. I certainly don't want to rag on it. But, to me, its primary raison d'รชtre is to function as a narrative bridge from one era (The Golden Age) to another (Caspian's reign). Obviously, it has important spiritual themes, and there's the underlying message about compassionate rule vs. despotism, but I really think that the book is intended to simply show the reader that things are now DIFFERENT. Narnia has changed. The universe is constantly transforming itself, and we have to grow with it. Physically, spiritually, emotionally. But, growth can lead to beautiful things. It's intended to take you from Point "A" to Point "B" in your understanding of what, exactly, Narnia is. That it will extend far, far beyond The Golden Age, but that that age will never be forgotten. That its beauty and magic are gifts that must be nurtured by those who rule the land, or it will, indeed, turn to a darker, harsher realm. But, best of all, it lets us know that the Narnia universe is large enough for many new adventures ahead. The book is one long prelude to the REST of the Chronicles. It functions well AS THAT. To me, for the film to have succeeded, it had to serve the same purpose, narratively, to move the film franchise along. AND, it had to be a more engaging, independent, story, cinematically, than the book was as a work of literature. In my opinion, it functioned adequately in the former capacity, and significantly beyond my expectations in the latter. It worked, as a film. Far better than I thought it would. It should have been the stepping stone for the more adaptable, fanciful stories. There should have been ALLOWANCE for a diminished audience, because it was INEVITABLE, given its relative unknown factor, and its intrinsic function as a device to move the larger story along. The film had the potential to be a marginal fincancial success, if handled correctly. Even if it had lost a LITTLE money, there's no shame in that, if they had looked at it as an investment in the future of the franchise. A loss-leader for bigger, better things. But, they wanted seven homeruns from their seven options, and that shortsightedness doomed them.

        I'm also not sure what reaching out more to the faith-based communities would have done. I'd be curious to know how many of the Christians you spoke to even KNEW there were other books in the series. Regardless, it's so easy to see the parallels of Lewis' hypothetical in 'Wardrobe'. Christians can IDENTIFY with the film on so many levels. With 'Caspian', you have to look a lot deeper to see, and understand, the spiritual elements. They are certainly there, but the lessons are more subtle, and much more introspective than the overt nature of 'Wardrobe''s Resurrection story. I have spoken to many Christians who didn't like the film enough to even SEE what value it had as a teaching tool. I think this is more a function of them remembering the book more fondly from their childhood than it deserves to be remembered, but, oddly enough, I rarely have heard any of them go on about how they regret not being included more in the process, to "get the word out", so to speak. Again, this is only my experience, and we'll never know. I just think the film was as good of a product as we could expect, in most ways, and I can't possibly see how it could have been expected to perform better than it did. Now, I can't say, with any authority, that it NEVER would have performed better. I don't see it, but, maybe. Somehow. My point has always been, and will remain, that it didn't HAVE to.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        I think it's bizarre they decided to switch gears and change the tone of the series right after they made this huge hit in LwW. I mean, who does that? they went from wizard of oz to transformers! what? PC was of no interest to a kid under 10 with all it's whispering and talkiness between the telmarines, plus endless battling. the 2 films weren't even remotely related. that's crazy within a series, meanwhile, look how the BBC created a PC which was consistant in tone with LWW. same with their Silver Chair. that's dark, but they didn't produce it to look like The Silence of the Lambs. it looked like another narnia movie. and it WAS nuts to INCREASE the budget on a sequel, how stupid is that?

      • Dylan says:

        I agree, PC had a much more serious tone about it, which I loved, but it wasn't consistent to the appeal of younger kids. VDT was way to much for younger kids, and like with PC VDT had an entirely different tone then the other movies. If you look at the series as a whole, LWW and PC actually feel like they are a part of the same series, VDT did not.

      • utterReep says:

        You're certainly right, N-nC, that we can't know what the effect of faith-based marketing for Caspian would have had on box office, but we can safely say that it would have had some effect. I think the producers just took that audience for granted, that all they had to do was announce there was a Narnia film and they would show up. I think probably the bigger question is whether the ROI for such marketing would have been worthwhile, given the less obvious Christian parallels as you mention. It probably would have been. How successful is an answer we'll never know.

  46. Rob W. Case says:

    I'm glad Gresham brought up the future of the Narnia films. It's about time we heard something from somebody. I think we all should pray about the next movie. After all, these films are more than just fictionalized stories. They effectively communicate deep theological truths that are rich and valuable. In other words, even though their outer appearance is "fantasy," their substance is comparable to that of a valuable resource that is healthy and constructive for anyone who can see the underlying reality it communicates.

  47. Alambil and Tarvis says:

    Well, I'm sad that it will probably be a while before we see anymore Narnia films, but I'm glad that Mr. Gresham isn't giving up. At least the Pevensie "trilogy" was finished up.

    Hopefully some very dedicated filmmakers will show interest and jump on the chance to reboot.

  48. truthknight says:

    I understand everyone's disappointment regarding the recent development with the Narnia series. But I would like to challenge you, don't let a movie series distract you from living out your lives. I hear many people commenting as if the movies they were life itself. Don't let your desire for the beauty and truth found in Narnia, turn into obsession. God (Aslan) cares more about your eternal salvation. Remember that when the children got too old they had to return to this world. Maybe it's time for some of you to return to this world. That doesn't stop you from being a Narnia, in fact, it probably will determine if the things you learned in Narnia were just based on excitement and fascination, or on principles and choice. The whole reason for Narnia is that by knowing Him there for a little, we may know Him better here. So I challenge you, take out your Bibles and read them. Read the Gospels, the Psalms, the Prophecies. If only people were as in love with the Bible, as they are with Narnia. This is no time to be discussing movies. The last battle isn't far away, and when it comes, it will take many, many by surprise. There was only a small group with Tirian, and a large group was confused, so they followed what appeared to be Aslan. I challenge you to get to know Him so you can"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." Matthew 7:13.

    It is sad to hear some of you wanting the Narnia films to be completed before Christ's second coming. How ironic. It's reminds me of the dwarves who were so engulfed in their own world that they couldn't tell reality from falsehood. Don't let the world's distractions blind you. Remember the enemy can use anything, good or bad, as a snare. Edmund's taste for Turkish Delight, wasn't evil in itself. But the White Witch used it. Rillian's admiration of a "lady's" beauty appeared innocent, but it brought him to years of captivity. Please, I implore you, as if I were your dearest friend, do not make the mistake Susan made of letting self and the world come in the way between you and God. Unlike Susan, we won't have a 'second chance'. And he said to me, โ€œDo not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand. 11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous[e] still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.โ€ Revelation 22:10,11 Our second chance is now.

    We are living in our 'narnia' right now. So let's make a difference and "live like a Narnian, even if there isn't any Narnia!". Forget the entertainment. Go out and fight a battle, rescue a captive soul, embark on a journey of discovery and service, prepare yourself for the coming storm.

    โ€œAnd behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.โ€
    Blessed are those who do His commandments,that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
    โ€œI, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.โ€
    And the Spirit and the bride say, โ€œCome!โ€ And let him who hears say, โ€œCome!โ€ And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

    [A Warning]

    For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    He who testifies to these things says, โ€œSurely I am coming quickly.โ€
    Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

    The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

    *Note* I'll probably not post anything here again. There is much to be done. But feel free to repost, or to use or share any of my words, after all they aren't based on my strength or wisdom, they're not really mine, anyway. I hope no one took anything here as an attack. Just take anything that might be useful to you, apply it to your own situation and live it. I'm speaking to you as a friend and as a fellow Narnian.

    ~ Tirian,


    Aslan Is On The Move

    The Light is Dawning, the Lie Broken

    • Puddleglum says:

      Well said truthknight.
      We all are prone to become too attached to things of this world, even those that were originally meant for good.

      • always narnian says:

        True true. Obsession can happen so quiclky.
        I like your name : truthknight. We should all be those! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

      since narnia is Godly, i wouldn't worry too much about people getting obsessed with it. Certain other massively huge book/movie series with a darker slant need this talking to more than narniawebbers.

  49. Capsian says:

    I think that the only casting problem will be Eustace, but he wont be too old to play the character. Look at the Harry Potter series, those actors are all in their twenties, and were in their twenties when they finished the series, but played 17 year olds. The pevensies could do the same in The last battle, and even then The pevensies have aged. Will poulter could also still play Eustace, its really not a problem, as long as we know there is more to come

    • Anhun says:

      There's a huge difference between having young adults playing late teens (like the Potter kids, or Georgie Henley, if she were in the Last Battle), and having a young adult play a pre- or very early teen, which would be the situation if Will Poulter were to play SC Eustace.

  50. Caspian_Xth says:

    If the series gets rebooted, which unfortunately I see as inevitable, there is one actor I'd like to see return; Liam Neeson to voice Aslan. His voice was perfect for the character as it had a natural rumble to it which didn't sound forced. As far as the children; it is obvious they will all have to be recast, since he is already 18.

    • Hiking Peter says:

      Who's 18? I'm lost.

      • jmr7 says:

        Will Poulter is 18, and in 3-4 years he will be way too old to play Eustace.

      • Anhun says:

        18, or even 22, would be fine for playing LB Eustace, but he's already too old to play SC Eustace.

      • High Queene Shelly Belly says:

        since when does this movie series stick to the books anyway? (sarcasm)

      • Dylan says:

        In VDT he was 15-16, and to be honest he looked a little bit younger then he really was. But for SC and LB, 22 is way too old. I really would not mind if he was in the SC at that age because I want to see all the movies done with the same actors, and Poulter is perfect for the part of Eustace.

      • Anhun says:

        I thought Poulter looked a lot younger than 15 in VDT. I would say he passed for 12, which is older than Eustace in the book, but not an extreme leap. The thing is, he hadn't had his growth spurt yet. Now that he has, he looks a lot older.

      • Dylan says:

        He passed for 13 in my books. He looked the right size for 12, but his voice did seem a little bit older then a twelve-year olds voice would sound.

  51. Shivansh sareen says:

    TOOOOOOOOOOO LOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG………i personally thought the next movie wud be out by 2012 :((((((((((((

  52. Jen says:

    Please God let them come out sooner…

  53. Brendan says:

    This might be one of those times where one of the inherant weaknesses (at least from a movie point of view) in the C.O.N. might actually be a strength. I think one of the problems with the Narnia movies and why they didn't translate as well to film as the LOTR (in my humble opinion) is that there was no set cast of characters. It kept changing. You would fall in love with one of the characters and before you knew it they couldn't return to Narnia anymore. That and the way the story jumped around. There were decades, sometimes centuries between (some of) the various chapters and while this worked fine in the books, it didn't translate as well to film which (for good or ill) requires a more cohesive narative than the Narnia movies could provide. The fact that the movies are going by the old chronology doesn't help things either. The one advantage that has is that the characters are more disposable or at the very least allows more for the switching of actors. I hope that the whole saga is made into movies. We'll see!

  54. CitizenCairParavel says:

    Who messed this up? Gresham or Walden? I can't get any straight response to this question. We do know, though, it wasn't 20th Century Fox.

    • Non-negotiable Comment says:

      Good grief.

      • Dylan says:

        I'll give you a straight answer! I don't know!!! Dude, really, how can you expect us to know? Gee man, it's probably nobodies fault, if you read the articles, they said that Walden and the C.S. Lewis Estate are in a moratorium which basically means that the contract is up, and that they need to wait 3-4 yrs before making another movie because right now they dont have the right s to the film.

      • Hiking Peter says:

        Hey, Dylan, it's Non-N's first EVER two word Comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Dylan says:

        AMAZING! Now how do you negotiate that? You summed all my feelings and thoughts on this whole situation and ordeal with two words "Good grief"! Amazing!

      • CitizenCairParavel says:

        Some of you sound as if you work for Walden or the Lewis Estate because you don't want to know what lies at the bottom of this fiasco. Somebody messed up; and if this is not corrected, we may be right back into this situation in another few years.

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        We have, politely, offered a Russian novel's length of contributions towards your original question, and all you can do is insult us? Your ridiculously simplistic question has been answered in far greater detail than you (and it) obviously deserve. You either haven't bothered to read anything, or you can't comprehend the significance of the points made. Either way, it's on you, not us. I mean, do you really need US to provide you with a specific name to blame? Will that achieve closure for you? What are you planning? A Halloween toilet-papering of their house? Some Bart Simpsonesque prank calls? What are you hoping to accomplish with this EPIC question of yours? I am intrigued, to say the least!

        The answer, once again, to your question, for anyone willing to listen, is that this is a complex situation that has been arrived at due to the negligence and unrealistic expectations of MANY parties. Asked and answered.

        But, if that doesn't make you happy, I'll say "Centaur Number 4" from the coronation scene at the end of 'Wardrobe'. Oooooh, I HATED that guy! Definitely his fault.

      • Dylan says:

        I know! I couldnt stand that evil look in his eyes! He disgusts me! LOL. But really, I dont think there is any other reason other then what we just said. Did you REALLY read the article?

      • Dylan says:

        If you read the articles that are on this topic, it very clearly stated that there would be a morotorium, in which Walden has to wait till the moratorium is up until they can sign a new contract. The waiting period is, as stated in the article, 3-4 yrs. So I think it is very clear it is nobodies fault. So why then, do you keep asking us as if we know whos fault it is, and that "Oh, nobody can give me a straight answer" business is exactly what we have been telling you, a straight answer. Now, if yu think its somebodies fault, how would we know? Whos fault would it be? I really cant see anyone to blame. Who do you think is to blame? Cause I can not come up with any ideas at all.

    • Anhun says:

      Here's the problem with your comment:

      "Who messed this up?" Who messed what up precisely? Dylan assumes your talking about the legal "mess" that directly resulted in the current moratorium. Non seems to assume that you're talking about the "messing up" of the Narnia film franchise as a whole. The appropriate response to this question depends on what "this" is.

      "I can't get any straight response to this question." Who have you asked? What research have you done? With out some clarification on this point, it sounds as though you're yelling at the Narniaweb community.

      I'm not trying to berate you, I just think that clearer communication would make this a better conversation.

      • Dylan says:

        From what Ive read in his comments, the "this" is either Walden or the C.S. Lewis Estate. Because he already stated "We do know though, it wasn't 20 Century Fox", so it seems to me that he is singling out someone specific, such as Walden or the C.S. Lewis Estate. What Im trying to tell him that its no ones fault, but the laws.

      • Dylan says:

        Actually, CitizenCairParavel, after reading your other comments, you say this-"Who is messing this up? Gresham or Walden?", actually I have a straight answer for you-NEITHER. I dont really see why Gresham would want to stop these movies from being made and messing it up, because as he has said he does want all the books to be made into movies, so there is really no reason for him to mess it up. And just to save my breath, read my above comments, they should help clear it up again.

      • Dylan says:

        Actually excuse me, I read your comment wrong Anhun. i get it now.

      • Anhun says:

        Dylan, although "fault," "blame," and "messed up" are stronger terms than I would use in this context, to say that no one is responsible for the expiration of Walden's contract with the Lewis Estate may not be accurate.

        You think that it was a legal inevitability. That may be true, for all I know, but, in most such cases, a contract can be extended. It is possible that Walden made a deliberate choice not to extend their option. On the other hand, the Estate may have refused to allow the extension. I myself would be curious to know which of the three it is, because that would give us some insight into where the franchise will be 3-4 years from now.

      • Dylan says:

        I thought that both of them said that they had interest in making more movies, but if that is the case then why would they prohibit making more movies? Oh well, it would be nice to know who it was, if it was anyone at all.

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        I took it to mean:

        "Who is responsible for bringing us to the point where the possibility of any future films being produced is now in serious jeopardy?"

        I thought that was a fairly safe assumption, but, if there is some other meaning behind the question, I would be happy to provide additional feedback if, as Anhun pointed out, there is better, clearer communication.

        As to the legal situation, this is totally a guess, and I have no basis for this, but one possibility is that IF Walden had an option to purchase more films (or film, singular) at a specific price, then they purposely let that option lapse, in order to try and acquire the rights at a more affordable price down the road at the open auction. Sort of like a baseball team having a star pitcher that they signed to a three-year contract plus an option for a fourth year. In the last year of the contract, he has a disappointing season, and they don't exercise the option for the fourth year. But, they think he's still valuable, just not at the price they had previously been paying him. They let him go into free agency, and try to compete for his services on the open market, but, hopefully, at a significantly reduced cost. This may just all be a dispute between the two parties over what the rights are really worth, not about "we don't want to do this anymore" vs. "we don't want you to do this anymore". Basically, a gamble on both sides. The Estate risks losing a guaranteed buyer, while Walden risks losing exclusive rights.

        This could be why everything is so ambiguous and hazy, and it would reconcile the two infamous headlines of "Walden has dropped out" and "Walden are still negotiating". They aren't necessarily diametrically opposed positions. I think that would also explain why there's been virtually no definitive explanation about what's going on. I just get the feeling that no one on either side wants to risk burning any bridges. Not at this point, anyway.

        But, as I said… pure speculation. Maybe this has already been discussed or refuted. I don't know, as the legal stuff makes me sleepy…

      • Dylan says:

        So its not that Walden dropped out, its that they did it to get a better price. Ok. CitizenCairParavel, what did you mean?

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        I honestly don't know, Dylan. I'm just saying that letting an option expire isn't the same thing as not having an interest. And the broadly worded, heavily constrained, severely ambiguous statements from each side lead me to believe that the relationship between the two parties isn't dead, just under reconstruction.

        Certainly, there are not telling us everything. Nor should they, I suppose…

      • Non-negotiable Comment says:

        *THEY, I mean

      • Hiking Peter says:

        Arguments that involve Narnia, Non Negotiable Comment, Dylan, and Anhun, are ALWAYS interesting.

      • Dylan says:

        It feels like theres something missing… Oh i know! Aslans Country! What would an argument be without his/her? Actually, thank goodness he/she aint here.

  55. Thee Narnian Meerkat says:

    Ugh…man….two to three years??? That is really too long…I hope it will be sooner than that! But, who knows, time might fly by REAL fast! It already is for me. I'm glad that he wants to see ALL the books come to screen. I do too. It just wouldn't feel "complete" if they did just the popular Narnia books. If they can do all HP and LOTR books to film, then they can do Narnia!

    • Dylan says:

      Well, LOTR is a trilogy, plus the Hobbit, so its not as hard to pay for as Narnia. HP, well, that is a totally different story. They released the movies one movie after another after another. These to series were planned, Narnia was not, they just decided to wing it, and that has some consequences.

  56. eclipse14 says:

    How terrible! I can't imagine waiting this long, never mind threat of reboot hanging over my shoulder! A reboot may or may not be a wise business plan but I know (and am) the kind of person who won't want to watch Narnia with a different cast. It may be stupid but I really can't help it. It irks me when a new actor takes the place of the old. I really hope that a reboot will not be happening!
    But still, the books are here, and of course the first three films will always be around. Just hope we will get to see the others finished someday (soon). ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Dylan says:

      It would be weird, but I would go to watch the movie. I did like the original cast though.

      • Anhun says:

        I wouldn't even go see a reboot of LWW or PC. I would be all over VDT though, as I mentioned above.

      • Dylan says:

        Yes! I would defintately go see a VDT reboot. LWW and PC would be hard to watch, knowing how much I loved the other versions of them. But the things I woukld be looking for in a VDT reboot would 1- A mix of light and dark tones. The transition between the Island of Nightmares and the beutiful ocean, but make it realistic. Not so much of the cheesy music and cheesiness of it all 2- No green mist and 3- True too the book. I would like Adamson to direct it.

  57. charlie says:

    I just want another narnia movie, but with the same actors! I don't like those kind of movies with different actors than the original ones.

  58. bapzik says:

    I don't understand why it has to be 3-4 years wait? Why can't he work out a new contract with Walden to allow them to make the rest of the movies, maybe even 3 of them back to back like LOTR to get the series moving faster.

  59. Patrick says:

    3 or 4 years is to long, that said they only need Tilda Swinton and Jim Broadbent for The Magician's Nephew and it would only be Will Poulter they would need to replace for The Silver Chair all the rest would be new characters. Dont reboot it either wait and carry in on or better still sort it out and make the films quicker.

    • Dylan says:

      Hmm, I think they could still use Poulter, even if he is at least 20-25, any older and it is not possible.

      • always narnian says:

        I think that's still pushing it. Eustace was maybe what— 14 or 13 in SC?

      • Dylan says:

        I think 13, but still, look at how old Edmund was in PC, he was only supposed to be what, 8 or 9? So age isnt a huge issue unless the actor is too old.

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